Evil Characters....

Eregion · 07-27-06, 12:42 PM

Is there any chance for evil characters to start playing in Layonara? It would be cool if "good" PCs fought against "evil" PCs. The guys fighting against Blood and the guys fighting for Blood on a mass scale like important planned battlefields or minor skirmishes! Don't know just an idea... i wish to see some comments.

Pen N Popper · 07-27-06, 12:46 PM

Perhaps a better description would be "factions" and not "evil." Two groups fighting against one another. You agree?

Stephen_Zuckerman · 07-27-06, 01:28 PM

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Pen N Popper - 7/27/2006 5:46 PM

Perhaps a better description would be "factions" and not "evil." Two groups fighting against one another. You agree?

That gets the Stephen Thumbs-Up!

Dorganath · 07-27-06, 01:37 PM

Well, Blood has been defeated....destroyed is actually a better word. No one will be fighting for him...well...ever.
Regarding factions battling each other....anything's possible in the future.
Regarding evil characters...that alignment is restricted and will remain so for the foreseeable future.

Eregion · 07-27-06, 02:02 PM

yes two factions or more fighting each other, guilds and organisations must have enemies don't you think?

Jonzer Hexblade · 07-27-06, 02:38 PM

I would love that if the DM's would allow it. But I think it is probably be looked down upon outside of the arena since PvP is a really touchy subject here. The thought of having skirmishes and large battles sounds awesome though.

Deacon · 07-27-06, 06:25 PM

I like the fact that it's restricted. It gives those of us who want to be evil something to work for, and it makes being evil mean something. If it were unrestricted you would have people with evil alignments verbally thrashing people, with no real idea of what it truly means to be evil. Which is why the restriction is put on. It's ridiculously hard to really play an evil alignment, and it takes more work than most people think. It's more than running around with a hood, brandishing evil enchanted weapons, verbally thrashing, and disregarding laws.

Anomas Analor Kamath · 07-27-06, 07:07 PM

Just out of curiosity.. is there any evil, or chaotic neutral characters currently in play?

**Shadowblade225** · 07-27-06, 07:09 PM

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Anomas Analor Kamath - 7/28/2006 12:07 AM Just out of curiosity.. is there any evil, or chaotic neutral characters currently in play?

Yes, all very good RPers to get there, all very patient RPers to let their characters evolve to that alignment. Won't list who some are though

Acacea · 07-27-06, 09:06 PM

There are a lot CN characters, as they may be submitted as CN as long as the player meets certain requirements. It's the evil characters that are never allowed on submission--they take an extreme amount of roleplay. And yes, there are a couple.

Eregion · 07-27-06, 11:13 PM

Well what deacon said is right, come to think of it we'd have a total disaster out of it..... but still i like the idea. I would say give evil characters to those who know how to write VERY good bios and know how to roleplay and been playing for quite a while, i mean don't give it to some beginner. maybe some veteran layonara gamer would be better at it don't you think?

Nibor21 · 07-27-06, 11:25 PM

who knows perhaps without Blood as the unifying threat Mistone may fight Dregar etc.

Pick your sides and sharpen your blades :P

Certainly as Layo stands at the moment factions at war would be utter chaos, the soul mother would quickly die of obessity due to the massive soul gorging session she would be on, new chars would last about 2 seconds at the hands of stronger chars, Ozy would die laughing and the giantsof Dregar would live happily ever after because no-one was out hunting them anymore!

elmo13 · 07-27-06, 11:43 PM

I have to say that I like Eregion's idea about people being allowed to play evil characters if they have been playing Layo a long time and have the ability to write very good bios. I have always found truly evil characters are the most fun to play, as most of the time they dont think of themselves as evil. I know that when I started playing Layo it was a bit of a shock that I was not allowed to play an evil character as on all the other servers I have always played an evil char.

Acacea · 07-28-06, 12:43 AM

Generally the people approved to 'go evil' will either be or end up as 'veteran Layo players,' anyway. They don't just wake up and go "I'm evil today!" Rather, they are required to develop a character towards evil over a long period of time. This means that the evil characters on the server have had CDQs and events run, as a slow alignment change over time...it's a slide and not just "my parents were evil and so am I." Yes, some people write good bios, but in the best situation, they would be detailing out a huge part of the character's life and putting it in the past from the start, before ever it even made it into the game. Kind of a waste, really.

There would also end up being heavy restrictions regarding who could and who could not do it, and which ones would or would not be approved. Which makes sense, but nobody is ever happy to be the one denied. At the same time, I'd be afraid to even apply, lest I be approved and have a perceived advantage over someone else. Rather than see someone else muttered at by one who was denied, I think there is less potential drama in simply denying all characters that are submitted as evil, instead requiring everyone to attempt it over time.

And yes, evil characters are fun. Woo LE.

(Edited for grammar)

Weeblie · 07-28-06, 01:01 AM

LE and NE characters aren't completely disallowed on the server. One just has to take quite a lot of CDQs.

I believe the rules are good as they are right now. Allowing evil character submissions for "old" players or excellent biographies. Well... How long should "old" be? Should all "old" players automaticly be able to play evil characters? Or only the people who has shown excellent roleplay skills? Would you feel comfortable with a "Sorry, we don't believe you can handle an evil character."-response after you have submitted, in your opinion, one of the best biographies ever while seeing other, in your opinion again, poorer roleplayers' submissions pass? Do you think everyone would just take it "Oh! Alright! I'll try to improve my skills instead! Maybe in a few months..." instead of starting to mutter about favouritsm and unfairness? And... Does a person who has shown that he or she is an excellent player of a Lawful Good character necessary mean that he or she would be able to play a Neutral Evil character equally well? Just a few things to think of...

I think the main reason of why you have to take a lot of CDQs and have to play with that character for some time is to let the DMs "in-depth" monitor of how well you play the alignment. To see that you really, really can handle the responsibility... Pretty much the same goes for WLDQs.

Edit: Pfft! Too slow... Acacea pretty much said everything I said. :P

Slade8833 · 07-28-06, 02:40 AM

Factions are the downfall of every server ive ever played on

first you start with these guys vs these guys... 2 factions.. and almost 9 times out of 10 one side will be over powering and constantly kill the other faction not to mention in some way it splits the server

but anyways as times go one you will get people that dont wanna be in a faction aginst another one.. so you make the middle ground faction .. 3 factions..

then you will get the people that want the i hate all players group.. 4

anyways.. say thirs 4 factions.. with 20 poeple online.. 5 per faction.. most likely as soon as a group of 3 or 4 people can get together thir gonna head out of town... wich leads the 5th guy that just logged in to run around town with no one around and being forced to try and solo to get anything out of the server...

anyways thats just my point of view... dont like factions... mean mabey sub- factions that still all live in the same town (thives guild , mages tower , bard school, crafting guilds) those wouldent be bad as they deviersify the the rp

but major starting area's for seperat factions that are at war is a no no the way i see it

ttdavet · 07-28-06, 03:17 AM

the whole idea of PvP factions would ruin Layo for me. There are enough bad guys. The huge desparity of levels and power would make it school yard bullying on a digital level. I play Layo because there are no "evil" characters running around unchecked. We are the heroes.

Dorganath · 07-28-06, 03:50 AM

Oh come now...have some faith...
IF we decide to implement a faction vs. faction system, it would be greatly regulated, and not just some free-for-all thing. We'd probably limit it to certain areas where such activity was allowed, so that Faction A doesn't ambush a lone member of Faction B outside of Hlint, for example.
It would just be another way to have some fun and conduct some RP...IF people want to participate in that. It would surely not be free, unrestricted PvP everywhere and at any time.

Eregion · 07-28-06, 03:51 AM

The idea of thieves guild, mages guild and the like would be very good in my opinion with ranks and all. But although they are in the same city for example they still might be a bit against each other. Not TOTALLY enemies (that WOULD ruin some players especially beginners) but they would have some things that each group would see differently and even working to slow each other's progress.

Eregion · 07-28-06, 04:11 AM

EXACTLY i agree with Dorganath, It won't be a free for all massacre, that would be stupid in my opinion aside that it would seem just like "any other MMORPG" and lose it's originality! just certain ares would be PvP and maybe even restrict the area if the PCs aren't of the required level. The idea of Nibor21 is also good : Mistone Vs Dregar...... Come on it would be brilliant with things like fortress sieges, ambushes and all that you can think of.... Don't get me wrong layonara is very interesting as a game and i really like it. I just brought up this subject so that maybe things get more interesting and people would get involved more (in my opinion of course)