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#1 | | Mind Flayer Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Pontefract, West Yorkshire, UK
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|  Scroll DC's
Just wondered how the dc's for scrolls are worked out. The reason I ask is that Buppi just tried to use a scroll of light which is a cantrip and it had a DC of 25. It just seemed a bit high that was all 
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#2 | | Lich Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Fort Mill, South Carolina
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| RE: Scroll DC's
Emm... maybe I'm mistakin, but is Light even supposed to have a DC? I mean, DC Vs. what?!
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#3 | | Orc of the Black Hand Join Date: Dec 2004
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| RE: Scroll DC's
buppi is a rogue, so i would assume vs her UMD. and think of it this way, you are performing magic, thats quite a feat for a rogue. its not like using a piece or armor designed for another class, its causing things to happen out of nothingness. | | | | |
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#4 | | Mind Flayer Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Pontefract, West Yorkshire, UK
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Thats true....just wondered out of curiousity how the dc's were worked out
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05-04-05, 06:08 AM
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#5 | | Ancient Dragon Join Date: Dec 2004
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| RE: Scroll DC's
To cast a spell from a scroll the DC of the UMD check is 25+spell level so, for a cantrip 25 and for a a level 5 spell it would be 30.
This is pretty high, but... casting a spell from a scroll means you have to complete all the somatic and verbal components. Thats pretty hard without having studied magic. A lot harder than just using a command word or gesture on a wand.
Edit: Light is a cleric spell... so i have no idea why youre making a UMD check to cast it... | | | | |
05-04-05, 06:15 AM
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#6 | | Beholder Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Concord CA
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it's a bug in the script really, nothing major, just multiclassed spell caster rogues trying to read a scroll defaults to their rogue UMD
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| RE: Scroll DC's
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Talan Va'lash - 5/4/2005 11:08 AM
Edit: Light is a cleric spell... so i have no idea why youre making a UMD check to cast it...
| Light is an arcane cantrip as well, and it's my understanding that UMD doesn't apply to objects that wield divine power.
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05-04-05, 07:13 AM
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#8 | | Ancient Dragon Join Date: Dec 2004
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yeah, I had thought that anyone could use divine scrolls, but I dont believe that is the case in Layo, as I cant use all those cure minor and cure light scrolls I find. | | | | |
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#9 | | Beholder Join Date: Jan 2004
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Talan Va'lash - 5/4/2005 10:13 AM
yeah, I had thought that anyone could use divine scrolls, but I dont believe that is the case in Layo, as I cant use all those cure minor and cure light scrolls I find.
| I believe in NWN Raise dead and Resurrection scrolls are usable by any class, all the the other divine scrolls are not | | | | |
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#10 | | World Creator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oakhurst, Ca.
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| RE: Scroll DC's
Err, it is not a Layo thing. We have not changed the way scrolls and UMD and such work. | | | | |
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#11 | | Lich Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Iowa
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| RE: Scroll DC's
One of the Restoration scrolls is usable by all as well I think.... been a while though.
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#12 | | Mind Flayer Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Pontefract, West Yorkshire, UK
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Ahh so 25+spell level thats good. I just wondered what it was thanks all
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| RE: Scroll DC's
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I believe in NWN Raise dead and Resurrection scrolls are usable by any class, all the the other divine scrolls are not
| Wizards cannot use either of these, nor the Restoration types of scrolls, at least it was so on the last time i checked, although you might as well take levels as Rogue to allow the use of them...
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| RE: Scroll DC's
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This is pretty high, but... casting a spell from a scroll means you have to complete all the somatic and verbal components. Thats pretty hard without having studied magic. A lot harder than just using a command word or gesture on a wand.
| So wands are lower? DC 20? | | | | |
05-04-05, 08:38 PM
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#15 | | Ancient Dragon Join Date: Dec 2004
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I think the difficulty of wands is based on their value being a class restricted item as per the chart in the manual. So, if your UMD is high enough you can use it, you dont have to make a check each time since you dont have to perform the intricate gestures and incantaionts, just the command word or action. | | | | |
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#17 | | Mind Flayer Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Provence, France
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Tell me about it have some rogish ways about me and I gaved-up with casting scrolls as I don't get it :S
Some scrolls have a higher level to cast and I can cast them, those some are level 1 and I can't *all happy to have stopped banging is head against hard surfaces about this* 
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#18 | | Ancient Dragon Join Date: Dec 2004
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freemen: Its because you make a roll each time. If your UMD is only 10 you could roll a 20 and cast a fifth level spell. Or you could roll a 1 and not be able to cast any level spell. | | | | |
05-05-05, 05:33 AM
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#19 | | Mind Flayer Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Provence, France
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Yeah what I got frem asking different people but I always roll the same numbers, for scrolls. Fer Strengh t'is always the same and never was able to cast it, think it's DC 27 or 28 and I always roll a 1 lol.
Endurance on the other hand, I always make it *shrugs*
Any ways, only way to increase yer chances is to increase yer use magic device skill, right?
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#20 | | Ancient Dragon Join Date: Dec 2004
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yup
Edit: or take mage levels. that will vastly increase your chances hehe | | | | |
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