Divine Relation

[Deacon]

I remember a post about this a LONG while back, but I cannot recall the standing that was taken by the GM's regarding this "spell."  I seem to recall that it was actually an action taken by the divinely touched while they were praying in which they would ask for guidance and thus receive it in the form of the relation your deity has to the character you cast it on, but due to the limits of NWN it was made a spell for it to even work.  

Am I right on this or is there more to it then that?

[Stephen_Zuckerman]

That's right. There's no way for anyone around to tell that you're "casting" it.

[Eight-Bit]

Which if it is used for it's intended purpose, it shouldn't be a problem at all.

If people start abusing it, let them know. I've seen it be a RP killer before.

[Tanman]

http://www.layonara.com/general-discussion/104121-clerics-who-cast-divine-whateverbecauseicantrp.html
this is what you are looking for. consensus was that no would know....but that the caster would NOT know the actual diety but rather would only know if they were friendly and such.

[AeonBlues]

I can think of one good RP uses for this spell.  As it has been stated, the only thing that this spell does is tell the cleric what the target's deity is in relation to the cleric's deity.

The best usage of this spell, is if your cleric is contemplating the use of a resurrection spell.  You can cast Divine Relation on a dead PCs body, and find out if the dead character worships an enemy of your god.

AeonBlues

[Drizzlin]

http://www.layonara.com/general-discussion/104121-clerics-who-cast-divine-whateverbecauseicantrp.html
this is what you are looking for. consensus was that no would know....but that the caster would NOT know the actual diety but rather would only know if they were friendly and such.

Why did you have to dig that back up? lol

I was having some horrible rp with that spell from people and it being abused when I made that thread. =P

[Eight-Bit]

Yea, seeing that again made me laugh, man. Good bad-times.

[Drizzlin]

Yea, seeing that again made me laugh, man. Good bad-times.

Yeah it is funny now =). Then it was frustrating. I had never seen the spell or used it back then. On at least 3 instances, people came up to me back then and cast that spell then went right into "Ca'duzite....". They were also doing it to my friend, who was a level 4 Corathite at the time.

I asked them how they knew, because we were actually trying to hide what we were, and they said Divine Relation. When in truth looking back now, it was because the Server Status said so, and the spell Divine Relation was being miss used by them.

*shurgs* Still funny reading that post again. My attempt at sarcasim backed by frustration brought out the fire works for some folks. =)

[hawklen]

Yeah agree Drizzy. Lucky my deity has 2 allied, and 3 friendly and 5 neutral dieties, so its a bit easier to narrow it down. "Hmm, yer either ah brandy or Ca'duzy"

[Witch Hunter]

Hawk is mysterious about his deity?...
 
 Am I missing something here?

[Eight-Bit]

Hawk is mysterious about his deity?...
 
 Am I missing something here?

He has a diety with few friends. It's easy to know who is what with Divine Relation when cast by Hawk.

[Witch Hunter]

Ohh that, got it.

[ycleption]

Are deity relations generally known ICly? If so, how? Some may be fairly obvious (Toran doesn't like Pyrtechon, go figure), others not so much. Especially to those of us who aren't clerics, how would one know what our deity feels about esomeone else's?

[EdTheKet]

I seem to recall that it was actually an action taken by the divinely touched while they were praying in which they would ask for guidance and thus receive it in the form of the relation your deity has to the character you cast it on, but due to the limits of NWN it was made a spell for it to even work.

That is correct, nobody knows you're actually doing it.

Are deity relations generally known ICly?

A cleric of deity A, would know the relations deity A has with others.
Cleric of Deity A would know a lot less about the relation of deity B or C with others.
Non-cleric characters may know the rough things about their deity's feelings to another deity (especially when pretty devout and only following a single deity), but they wouldn't be walking encyclopedia's of relationships.

Even I OOCly (as Loremaster) don't know them all from the top of my head and I've been working with them for years, so a character really shouldn't know all relationships either, especially non-obvious ones.

[Eight-Bit]

Are deity relations generally known ICly? If so, how? Some may be fairly obvious (Toran doesn't like Pyrtechon, go figure), others not so much. Especially to those of us who aren't clerics, how would one know what our deity feels about esomeone else's?

By asking a Cleric of your faith.

Oh, btw, let's make sure this doesn't fall into another conversation about the evils of Divine Relation.

[hawklen]

By asking a Cleric of your faith.

Oh, btw, let's make sure this doesn't fall into another conversation about the evils of Divine Relation.

Evil! its so eeevvviiilll! Like, it allows clerics to know my Acacea worship!

[Drizzlin]

By asking a Cleric of your faith.

Oh, btw, let's make sure this doesn't fall into another conversation about the evils of Divine Relation.

Hehe

As a cleric, I use Divine Relation all the time now, but I use it in the manner that Leather, Orth, and the others stated and intended it to be used in the original post. They stated that others do not see you doing it, I always cast that spell in combat and if someone says something i have always sent them a tell saying you can not see the spell.

I have also not had any other issues with that spell since the original post. I would like to think that some of that is due to the original post, but the other part of me knows that spell is no longer an issue with Daralith because he kind of stands out now =)

[Eight-Bit]

With the way the Raise system works if we were to loose Divine Relation I would just not raise people. Simple as that.