On Holy Water

EdTheKet · 02-09-05, 11:18 AM

When your character is looking for Holy Water (for example for scribing inks), you may want to consider to ask what deity has blessed it to make it holy and then make your character wonder if you want to be associated with that deity.

vgn · 02-09-05, 11:41 AM

Very good point Ed.
Sago has actually used this same idea to steal holy water making business away from Chanda. He mentioned to the buyer that he may not wish to have holy water tainted by an evil god and would be much better off with my holy water.

EdTheKet · 02-09-05, 11:45 AM

Also, when making holy water, think about if the temple you're doing it in is appropriate. If it's a temple that your deity isn't at least friendly or allied with�will certainly kick you out before you can desecrate their Holy Pool.
Also, your deity probably doesn't like it that you're not devoted enough to come to his/her own temple and do it there.

dadunmir · 02-09-05, 02:29 PM

Does someone want to double check the temples and make sure they all have enchanting pools then. I am pretty much certain the temple of Mist in Leilon doesn't have one.

GhostWhoWalks · 02-09-05, 02:44 PM

Not all temples may be able to afford it. The holy water font is an incredibly expensive piece. Perhaps if your local temple doesn't have one, you could donate some coin to help them...?
In P&P the font is around 10000 gold for a large one if I remember. Its been a while since I had to look. Needless to say, they are expensive. And not all temples can afford it.

dfiremann · 02-11-05, 09:25 PM

There is a post on the trade and market hall for Chanda to sell holy water. Case and point Ed, we all know who Chanda serves...

Aragon · 02-12-05, 06:12 AM

Well, besides this thread seeming like a bash on Chanda. Let me make a few comments about the thoughts posted above.

Not all characters are going to care about where they get their alchemy supplies from. Especially a Nuetrally aligned mage who wants to make his inks, heck a desperate CG mage might not care. If it matters to you where you get your holy water then by all means don't buy it from Chanda. Same goes with healing potions or anything else I might sell. I don't post my wares up on the board, but I will respond to others needs. Here again, don't want to sell or buy from me that's fine.

As for the usage of holy pools in temples, if you are only allowed to use pools in favor with your diety then your basically saying only certain characters are allowed to gain skills in enchanting. Last I looked there aren't any Nuertal to Evil churches on Mistone. So basically you are putting restrictions on who can do certain skills. This is fine if this is the way the GMs want it. I have complied with the GMs requests in the past.

So following this logic here are the following deities that would not be welcomed to the Holy Pool of Ilsare.

Unfriendly: Rofirein, Dorand, Katia
Enemy: Pyrtechon, Vorax, Shadon, Branderback, Corath, Aragen, Baraeon Ca'Duz, Sulterio, Vierdri’ira, Grand

02-12-05, 06:46 AM

I never saw chanda mention her deity even once, so if she attempts to sell me as far as i know its ok

im not sure how sago knows or how the temple priest would know either!

Zhofe · 02-12-05, 06:54 AM

There is a temple of Branderback in Pranzis, a temple of Deliar in Port Hampshire (and Deliar is enemy to more good than evil gods) a temple of Mist in Leilon, a temple of Shadon in Port Hampshire, a temple of Xeen in Karthy. All except Deliar are neutral or evil.

If they do not have an enchanting pool, well then get to donating!

Just a small question though ... assuming there are enchanting pools in temples of Aragen, would Aragen care who used them if the holy water was being used to persue knowledge?

Leanthar · 02-12-05, 07:02 AM

"...Just a small question though ... assuming there are enchanting pools in temples of Aragen, would Aragen care who used them if the holy water was being used to persue knowledge?..."
Nope, knowledge is used by all.� Progressing knowledge is done by all.

Qui_Z · 02-12-05, 07:11 AM

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Aragon - 2/13/2005 1:12 AM Well, besides this thread seeming like a bash on Chanda. Let me make a few comments about the thoughts posted above. Not all characters are going to care about where they get their alchemy supplies from. Especially a Nuetrally aligned mage who wants to make his inks, heck a desperate CG mage might not care. If it matters to you where you get your holy water then by all means don't buy it from Chanda. Same goes with healing potions or anything else I might sell. I don't post my wares up on the board, but I will respond to others needs. Here again, don't want to sell or buy from me that's fine. As for the usage of holy pools in temples, if you are only allowed to use pools in favor with your diety then your basically saying only certain characters are allowed to gain skills in enchanting. Last I looked there aren't any Nuertal to Evil churches on Mistone. So basically you are putting restrictions on who can do certain skills. This is fine if this is the way the GMs want it. I have complied with the GMs requests in the past. So following this logic here are the following deities that would not be welcomed to the Holy Pool of Ilsare. Unfriendly: Rofirein, Dorand, Katia Enemy: Pyrtechon, Vorax, Shadon, Branderback, Corath, Aragen, Baraeon Ca'Duz, Sulterio, Vierdri’ira, Grand

There is a temple of Shadon or something in Port Hampshire.

vgn · 02-12-05, 08:04 AM

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Redstorm - 2/12/2005 9:46 AM

I never saw chanda mention her deity even once, so if she attempts to sell me as far as i know its ok

im not sure how sago knows or how the temple priest would know either!

Sago, like many others knows because Chanda is very blatant about who she worships, just talk to her. Especially during the red fog incidents when she danced in the fog and called on the power of Corath. Um, little clue there.

Just as Sago is very blatant about serving Lucinda, Chanda is about Corath.

But, having said all that, then yes, if your character doesn't know then it would be fine for you, but if your character is one that would care, it wouldn't hurt to ask.

Etinfall · 02-12-05, 11:04 AM

Also, it seems chanda would try and make it where she can. I have seen her in disguise more than once. So if she is in disguise we wouldn't know what god she served. And, Cole watched her heal some friends, and him I believe, so he has a small reason to sell/buy to or from. The blasted Corathites helped us stop the red fog incedent, so to my character...well, lets just say the drow have topped the hatred list.

And Aragon, I am thinking this thread wasn't meant to be a bash on Chanda. it seems you are just the one who all remember. And you all play your char so well that that you stick in our minds as Chanda, the follower of Corath. But like I said, in disguise you are someone selling needed supplies.

Etinfall

ZeroVega · 02-12-05, 11:10 AM

Right, I just go like this. Buying holy water..... I don't care who I get it from as long as I get it. (Paladins and devout clerics would probably be more strict) Temples, I'll enter almost all of em, with the exception of a few (unless I have good reason). Ie: Ilsare, the goddess who's child Ca'duz slaughtered. Well that's kinda a no brainer, I don't go there. I'd say clerics could be a bit loose as to which temple they enter and buy from, however I would say enemies of your god, are probably not going to want a cleric of that god hanging around.

EdTheKet · 02-12-05, 11:29 AM

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this thread seeming like a bash on Chanda.

I assure you that it was not meant that way at all, Aragon.

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Not all characters are going to care about where they get their alchemy supplies from. Especially a Nuetrally aligned mage who wants to make his inks, heck a desperate CG mage might not care.

Correct, that's why I wrote it the way I did, that you should think if your character wants to be associated with the deity that blessed the water. If he doesn't care, it doesn't matter whom he buys it from.

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As for the usage of holy pools in temples, if you are only allowed to use pools in favor with your diety then your basically saying only certain characters are allowed to gain skills in enchanting. Last I looked there aren't any Nuertal to Evil churches on Mistone. So basically you are putting restrictions on who can do certain skills.�

Not really, as mentioned by several people above there are temples to neutral gods on Mistone or Rilara (so at least on the West server). In your case, you could go to the temple of Mist in Leilon, granted it doesn't have a pool at the moment but anonimous donations might work.

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So following this logic here are the following deities that would not be welcomed to the Holy Pool of Ilsare. Unfriendly: Rofirein, Dorand, Katia Enemy: Pyrtechon, Vorax, Shadon, Branderback, Corath, Aragen, Baraeon Ca'Duz, Sulterio, Vierdri’ira, Grand

Correct.
As to the priests of a temple not knowing what god you worship if you just walk into the temple and use their pool. They would definitely ask who you are and would hear your prayers as the water was blessed so they'd find out

Aragon · 02-12-05, 11:42 AM

I agree with Ed ... disguises wouldn't hide a black heart. Thanks for the posts above about several nuetral temples, I had forgotten about those. BTW Chanda never danced in the fog, that would be the Ghost Pirate that did that. I worshiped it and yes at times I am very open about whom I serve .. ask Kobal

Ed could a holy pool be purchased outright by anyone ... say I wanted my own personaly pool to Corath, could I purchase one?

EdTheKet · 02-12-05, 11:45 AM

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Ed could a holy pool be purchased outright by anyone ... say I wanted my own personaly pool to Corath, could I purchase one?

I'll leave that to Leanthar.

Virgil Thompson · 02-12-05, 01:27 PM

Hmmmm I think I will need to make a returnn trip to the Temple of Lucindas to find out if there is one there. Could make my scribing a bit difficult if there isn't.

whispers at nothing · 02-14-05, 04:29 AM

Yes there is one for lucinda in the blackford castle.