To forbid the harvest of inanimate materials requires druids to believe in animism
What exactly makes mining bad? I never known the reason, if it's derived from the earth, isn't that natural?
Brief Background:A while back I had an OOC encounter with a GM while in game. We had been in the Krashin kabold cave, I was playing Zig, and some of my party members had mined the alexandrite. I used a heal spell on the rocks to role play healing the rocks while they were geming. After coming out of the cave, a GM stopped us with their avatar. They had various role play issues to discuss with our party, but I want to address this one about druids. They said as a druid I should have forbid the party from mining the gems and that the healing idea was not adequate. Long story short, the GM suggested that if I mined or let a party member mine gems I could possibly have my druidic powers taken away.
Questions for Discussion:1) Are druids forbidden to mine gems?
2) Do druids have to affirmatively forbid any party members from mining gems?
3) Are druids allowed to let party members mine for ore?
4) What if a druid needs a silver enchantment for his scimittar to better hunt undead, the bane of most druids? In that case would a druid be allowed to accompany a party mining silver?
5) As in question #4 a druid may have needs for other gems and ore (topaz dust for casting stoneskin, emeralds for ability jewelry, titanium for weapon enhancements against outsiders etc.) Is it expected of a druid to sacrafice and pay top dollar for these finished items, were others can reduce the cost by harvesting the raw materials?
I realize and enjoy the fact that their are vast and different ways for druids to rp how they would handle these situations. But I dont want to fear Zig losing his powers over a misconception about the mining of gems and ore. Therefore, I think after some discussion here, it would be helpful for the Team to lay down some specific parameters for druidic conduct regarding my questions.I look forward to hearing opinions and responses from both GM's and players,~Willhoff
I was the GM in question that apparently slung mud and showered poor Zigrum with untruths and super restrictive lies. Actually that's not at all true. I do have a log of the events to back me up and if it's requested, I'll post it up in it's unedited form for all to see the exact discussion. Druid abuse of nature wasn't the only reason I stopped the group.
For clarity's sake to the server, the event in question was a specific case, not a general "no you can't do this ever" one.
In this case, every vein was being mined, every creature was being killed, and in general every possible advantage from the earth and it's creatures was being taken in an effort to better the crafting skills/create a stock pile of stuff for others. That is against what Layonaran Druids stand for. Period.
Zig's player did RP dumping some healing magic into each vein and made a half-hearted objection at someone's very illicit description of Mother Nature.
Additionally there was no real insistence that caution be used as to how much was taken, lives lost etc.
Just a little nudge, Voraxians don't really like magic at all and consider 99% percent of magic to be 'evil necromancy,' druids included. The exception? Clerics blessed with the gifts from Vorax (and I think Dorand and Vorax's allies). So the need for stoneskin dust etc, really is double impacted here by lore indications.
Thats wrong. Dwarves view the blessings from Nature in a different way than the filthy Al'noth from Lucinda. The druid gets his powers from the rocks, the air, the trees not from Lucinda. Zigruum would not cast a single blessing if he felt it was anything close to "evil necromancy"
Rowana : There are other ways around it. Stoneskin isn't vital.Zigruum Frostbeard: [Party] I disagreeRowana : You can disagree all you want druid guy but Mother nature is going to buck back and take your powers if you continue to violate her.
Rowana : You guys are a creative bunch. I've seen it in how you try and make your Apps work in subs. I know you can work it out. A little IC violence, and all that! You know?~Zigruum Frostbeard: [Party] //i know but why would moter nature give powers that require mining of topazZigruum Frostbeard: [Party] advice taken....just trying to work all this out thanksRowana : No, don't cross Mechanics with lore. That's a very dangerous road. You need to exercise a little common sense where these thigns are concerned. Our coders do not have time to specialze all of these spell lists. Nore the Pallete space
I did some research since that time and found there are druids on the all time crafter list for gem crafting. I uncovered forum trade hall posts were druids were selling all kinds of gem dusts and planning gemming trips for topaz. Druids I ran with were mining gems and allowing others to mine ore. I started to feel I was being singled out and there was one set of rules for Zigruum and another for all other druids.
Once you suggested/threatened that my powers would be stripped my enjoyment in playing Zigruum was lost and I feared playing him. I think if your going to take away the powers of a character based on his role play then rules should be established. Only now have I realized that there are creative ways to balance CNR harvesting.