Author Topic: Layonara policy questions and discussion (Read 1346 times)

Dorganath · « **Reply #20 on:** April 24, 2009, 02:33:03 pm »

Read closer.

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The player will be given a choice between one of the following:[LIST=1]
The character may sacrifice one or more magic or enchanted items with a combined lens value of at least 100,000 True, and sacrifice XP equivalent to 2 character levels (with resulting loss of character levels). This reduction will put the character at the same relative place between levels, based on the XP difference between levels. For example, if the character is half way between level 22 and 23 when this option is exercised, the character will be half way between levels 20 and 21 after the reduction is made. The item(s) sacrificed in this option must be on the PC at the time of death.

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Falonthas · « **Reply #21 on:** April 24, 2009, 02:45:55 pm »

woohoo ok i read and then i had to check and with droppin two level had to change some armor and then has true value

now just to figure out how to write it

Gulnyr · « **Reply #22 on:** April 24, 2009, 09:57:53 pm »

Shadowdancer is missing from the list of PrC requirements in the new policy information.

Rowana · « **Reply #23 on:** April 24, 2009, 10:52:39 pm »

Quote from: Gulnyr

Shadowdancer is missing from the list of PrC requirements in the new policy information.

So it was! Oversight corrected.

~row

Script Wrecked · « **Reply #24 on:** April 25, 2009, 01:00:48 am »

Quote from: Falonthas

ahh ok
well i went to check drogo anyhow and now hes been wiped from lore to even think about it
so no matter but thanks dorg

[LORE]Drogo[/LORE]?

Xiaobeibi · « **Reply #25 on:** April 25, 2009, 04:24:06 am »

Will the Purple Dragon of Cormyr PRC be open for submission now? Renamed something like Knight of the Land.

If the Purple Dragon of Cormyr is allowed will paladins be able to freely multiclass with it?

Lance Stargazer · « **Reply #26 on:** April 25, 2009, 07:32:57 am »

I was thinking about that Prestige class myself. And I think that finally the knights of the Wyrm of Rofirein could get a "class" per se.

Just my two cents..

They already are Knights of a Dragon, just switch the purple for golden and there you go.

Falonthas · « **Reply #27 on:** April 25, 2009, 11:19:36 am »

i think i could see a knight right off the bat with this PrC when Erilyn was restored

ShiffDrgnhrt · « **Reply #28 on:** April 25, 2009, 11:52:02 am »

Quote from: xiaobeibi

Will the Purple Dragon of Cormyr PRC be open for submission now? Renamed something like Knight of the Land.

If the Purple Dragon of Cormyr is allowed will paladins be able to freely multiclass with it?

Well if for reason they do, I really hope they modify the PrC some... It's a bit lacking in skills (Heal as crossclass? WTH?)... Could use a little more umph, and they might need to axe some of the Pre-Reqs for the Class itself...

minerva · « **Reply #29 on:** April 25, 2009, 02:04:39 pm »

Quote from: Falonthas

i think i could see a knight right off the bat with this PrC when Erilyn was restored

While it sounds attractive, a Knight of Erilyn still would remain something as a WL achievement I think as the lore would not fit for King Briant to be knighting adventurers to be off killing things not in defense of Erilyn. The only current Knight of Erilyn not a NPC is WL Honora who is a councillor to the Knights and holds the title both due to service to the realm (Her WL Quest) and a family connection to the knights.

A reworking of Mistone Scout could however with a CDQ be turned into agents for the kingdom.

Gulnyr · « **Reply #30 on:** April 25, 2009, 03:15:27 pm »

Quote from: Lance Stargazer

I was thinking about that Prestige class myself. And I think that finally the knights of the Wyrm of Rofirein could get a "class" per se.

Kinda sorta. Maybe. As long as it weren't required that any Knight of the Wyrm character take the class, I couldn't complain. But then, if it isn't going to be required and thus fully and intimately associated with the Knights of the Wyrm, why make it the Knight of the Wyrm PrC?

Instead of a KotW PrC, it seems like it would get better play if it were made part of a specific military training institution of some sort, something nondenominational that hasn't been invented yet.

Chongo · « **Reply #31 on:** April 25, 2009, 03:32:17 pm »

Quote from: Gulnyr

Instead of a KotW PrC, it seems like it would get better play if it were made part of a specific military training institution of some sort, something nondenominational that hasn't been invented yet.

This is probably the track I'd suggest. Things that are overly specific to one denomination, be it a clergy, city, kingdom, class... whatever - these tend to be a poor use of space when the end goal is availability of diversity.

EdTheKet · « **Reply #32 on:** April 25, 2009, 03:57:24 pm »

Discussions on the Purple Dragon Knight PRC are under way, stay tuned!

Dorganath · « **Reply #33 on:** April 25, 2009, 09:02:18 pm »

In all honesty, I completely missed the addition of the PrC to 1.69, as my attention was focused elsewhere. So on seeing this, I started a discussion in our GM forums.

As Ed said, stay tuned.

lonnarin · « **Reply #34 on:** April 26, 2009, 12:40:16 am »

Quote from: Dorganath

In all honesty, I completely missed the addition of the PrC to 1.69, as my attention was focused elsewhere. So on seeing this, I started a discussion in our GM forums.

As Ed said, stay tuned.

Make it into an elite unit of Gold Dragon Knights, the Order of Ozlo. It's only fitting.

A sect of Rofirienite paladins that began during the time of the Dragon-Called. Surely that religion in particular saw this as a miraculous omen! They mourn him as a martyr, and aim to uphold his memory in word and deed.

Leave Red Dragon Disciple for the Pyrtechites.

Masterjack · « **Reply #35 on:** April 26, 2009, 06:12:30 am »

Quote from: lonnarin

Make it into an elite unit of Gold Dragon Knights, the Order of Ozlo. It's only fitting.

A sect of Rofirienite paladins that began during the time of the Dragon-Called. Surely that religion in particular saw this as a miraculous omen! They mourn him as a martyr, and aim to uphold his memory in word and deed.

Leave Red Dragon Disciple for the Pyrtechites.

Ya that sounds awesome!

Dorganath · « **Reply #36 on:** April 26, 2009, 10:44:28 pm »

Quote from: Aerimor

Would like to ask. Can you plea for a wizard to become a specialist when they are a generalist.

Only grievance would be that when the character was made the player was too unfamiliar with the speciality restrictions with Layo and didn't want to hamstring the character before it even got going. So user ignorance/fear was the only things that prevented it from happening. Said character to my knowledge has not cast one spell from the school that would be prohibited in 8ish levels and the speciality school of choice would fit his character.

On a related question. Can a CDQ be taken for the same effects. Can a character have a CDQ run to demonstrate their pursuit, focus and dedication now forming for one school at the exclusion of its oppostie? I asked one or two DM's they had opinions but did nto feel comfortable with a final answer. And said I should ask on the boards. So I figured might as well tie both these up in one post.

Thank you kindly,
~D

Apologies for the delay in response on this. I don't have a solid answer to give as we will still take each rebuild request on a case-by-case basis. The reason for this is simple: The Graceful Plea system is not intended to be an avenue to remake their character entirely because they don't like it now 10, 15, 20 or more levels later. So to prevent a flood of requests of people wishing to start from scratch and re-sculpt their characters with their ideal progression, we'll just need to handle them as they come.

To describe this in another way, there have been requests in the past for re-levels that, while worthy reasons, were past our time and XP thresholds and were therefore denied. With Graceful Pleas, a player could circumvent the normal thresholds if all else was in line.

Graceful Pleas should not be seen as an auto-approval for anything, but rather an optional relaxation of normal requirements.

Anyway, getting back to the specific request above, my suggestion is to make the request, if you wish to pursue this angle. In so doing, we will get all the relevant information needed to decide on your specific case.

Dorganath · « **Reply #37 on:** April 26, 2009, 11:22:41 pm »

Because this has come up, and will probably come up again, I have added the following under the Special note regarding the loss of a character's final Soul Strand:

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For the purposes of this contingency, if items are to be sacrificed as part of returning a permed character to life, an item will qualify to be counted if it is:
A +2 or greater item, or has a lens value of 10,000 True or greater, AND...
the item can be equipped, AND...
the item is not some form of ammunition
So this means things like +2 or better armors and weapons, +2 or better stat jewelry, cloaks, bracers and other such equipable items will qualify, but infused gems, Enhancement Rods and other similar things, regardless of lens value, will not be considered.

Script Wrecked · « **Reply #38 on:** April 27, 2009, 02:31:11 am »

Given this is the case:

Quote from: Dorganath

The Graceful Plea system is not intended to be an avenue to remake their character entirely because they don't like it now 10, 15, 20 or more levels later. So to prevent a flood of requests of people wishing to start from scratch and re-sculpt their characters with their ideal progression, we'll just need to handle them as they come.

To describe this in another way, there have been requests in the past for re-levels that, while worthy reasons, were past our time and XP thresholds and were therefore denied. With Graceful Pleas, a player could circumvent the normal thresholds if all else was in line.

Graceful Pleas should not be seen as an auto-approval for anything, but rather an optional relaxation of normal requirements.

I suggest this:

Quote from: Dorganath

Graceful Pleas can be used for things such as (but not limited to):

Any other request denied for any reason

needs some rewording, because it would seem to suggest that you can apply a Graceful Plea to any denied request, including a rebuild which doesn't fit the normal criteria, to get it allowed.

Regards,

Script Wrecked.

Dorganath · « **Reply #39 on:** April 27, 2009, 08:43:19 am »

I understand your point and don't wish to be argumentative, but as we were refactoring these policies, we didn't want to have half a dozen lines of "you can" and three pages of "you can't". It is our hope with this new option and the relaxation of many policies overall, that our community would in turn understand our intent and display some mature judgment in the requests they make.

I am not saying Aerimor's request is not a mature or worthy request. I am, however, speaking in generalities.

In answering his question, I wished to give a broader answer that didn't simply apply to his one specific case but a much wider range of possibilities. It is not unreasonable for us to deny a request for a full rebuild "just because" someone wants to resculpt their character to a more ideal build. Similarly, it's not unreasonable for us to deny a request for a character to receive a +9 Sword of Everything Smiting, with 3d6 extra fire, acid, divine and sonic damage, Keen and a DC 40 Vorpal property, or an Armor of Near invulnerability with +10 AC, 50/- DR, +10 Regeneration and some juicy OnHit properties. Yet all these things technically fall under the "any other request" clause, which was put in there to cover reasonable requests that we might not have considered up front. And yes, I know that these are clearly outlandish requests, but they serve to prove a point.