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Hellblazer:
Yep I know the title is strong, but unless you are paired with 10+ people, or you are a super powerful epic, this is what it is now.

Haven even for an epic like Q is piratically not doable, and Iron hills.. well I have went there with Krys and Clarissa, and seeing how long ( a good five minute of fighting where Clarissa almost died twice, and yes I was dead after only 20 seconds) it took those two to deal with the spawn there, i'd say its suicide.

Now seeing that Iron is the third metal needed in any metal craft, I find that to be very harsh on the people who are learning to smelt or craft armor or weapons.

Might be that the spawns should be rethought just a little.

Pibemanden:
The problem is that if you bring a mage of eqvivalent level to the Hills at least you will find it way easier. Sure it is hard for fighters and it has always been hard for fighters to get resources but that is where the mage or cleric or even a bard comes to save the day by giving people an edge. Another factor was that you were fighting level 27-28 spawns there, they are not friendly to say the least and in Haven you had Quantum to up the challenge a fair bit, I know that might seem very unfair when you are standing but the spawns are quite balanced to a balanced party.

Lynn1020:
Yea I have to agree with Pibemanden.  I have taken my cleric with one fighter (I think both were lvl 11 or 12 then) all the way down Haven and back out.  Now it wasn't easy but we did get it done.. even with a bit of rp in there.  We also went to  Iron Hills with a group a few times.. but once again we were all around the same lvl.

Hellblazer:
actually loranin, a few weeks after v3 came online. I went with both rain (level 18 multi-classed but still higher mage) and Lex (level 15 cleric, when he had power) down in haven on two separate occasion, with Kyle (level 16 at the time) Jako (don't remember his level but near 14 i think) Dalan (Was level 13 or 14 at the time I think) and Ferrit (who was level 19)

It was already touch and go with our levels and spells to supply it. Now try to imagine the people with lower levels than those, with cleric and mage lower levels than those trying to get the ore they need to -learn-.

Q is a cleric and is level 24 and even him tells me it's almost impossible for him to do that. And when even Barion rp refusing to go....

if I remember correctly West is supposed to be aimed to levels  around 8-10.

Pibemanden:
It is geared towards groups of people around level 8-10, there might be something that a group way below a high level can handle that the high level can't. Those areas are rather hard but then again there has to be some challenges, I know that Haven and Iron Hills are amoung the hardest places, but the CR at Iron Hills are around 16-18ish as far as I remember while Haven is 12ish or something, the problem is that casters are severely hurt in Haven because they can't rest down there so damage spells and other oneshots should actually outweight buffing. And well again it is very hard to travel in parties with a huge level gap, I don't know what you are having trouble with specifically but I can say that while it is hard it is far from impossible.

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