Apologies, I waited a few tries again and they were all there, so it worked. Thanks Orth! Just one small issue for another day. Jo Poetr's warhorse got broken when I ported while mounted. I couldn't dismount. Then I remembered your advice from years ago about NOT doing exactly that. Sorry. Also, it appeared that Daniel's purchased horse Edward the second , was staked in center while I was logged in as Jo, which I don't think is right. Dunno.