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The Layonara Community => General Discussion => Topic started by: on August 31, 2005, 01:54:00 pm
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What would be the best way to sort the lvls.
I am an Elf so I am not affected by having Wizardary as another class.
What i did with my character this time was:
level 1 - Fighter
level 2 - Wizard
level 3 - Wizard
level 4 - Wizard
level 5 - Fighter
Although hasn't really been a bad choice of options for me, it has left me only slightly more stronger than a wizard.
I was hoping for you opinions on what a good way to do the classes up to lvl 5 or lvl 10, up to how far you want to do.
My problems were that my Constitution was lower than that of a ranger the same level as me. My strength was ok but not excellent. I can do an average of 11 damage per hit.
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I'd suggest taking the wizard levels early, favoured class only goes if it's the higer class. Or at least to 5 levels wizard, then you can take lengthen (stretch, double, something) spell and you'll have buffs that last 10 minutes, or do you wear armor and use still spell, because then getting those wizard levels is even more important.
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Well what I currently do is wear my medium armor. Then before a battle I use flame weapon and my other various buffs, then reequip my armor.
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Involve yourself in RP more with others in and around town, do what feels right for your character and worry less about what your average damage is. Layonara is foremost an RP server, and although at times it's nice just to get off work, and go bash things with friends for a while, a high level character with great hitpower but no personality isn't going to be much fun to play here.
Take my above comments with a grain of salt too, I'm completely unaware of the status of your RP, and my comments are made in a general sense, so apply the broad brush to 'you' and not the specific 'you'.
Besides, once you get to level 10 and have an even split of levels you'll be strutting around just fine.
Vyris
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reaching lvl 10 is not an easy feat.
I'm not bad roleplaying. I've made alot of freinds with my character.
..........although i am not to sure on how i would really want him to progress. What I usually do is play the character through on single player first
Test out there strengths and weaknesses and see what the best way to go is, but I never this time and I wanted to make sure that most Fighter/wizard splits are like my guy is at the's lvl.
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I've had a lot of trouble myself with a similar character. I went 4 Fighter, 2 Wizard, and I'm still getting killed by Skeletons (albeit a bit less now that I'm 5 levels higher than 1.)
How to survive it? *shrug*
I guess I'd try to save up on gold to buy a nice heavy suit of armor and just buff myself until I could afford not to wear the armor anymore. I haven't saved up that much yet so I can't really say the strategy works.
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Filatus - 8/31/2005 5:07 PM
I'd suggest taking the wizard levels early, favoured class only goes if it's the higer class.
You're thinking of humans.
pg. 41 NWN manual:
"Favored Class (Wizard): A multiclass elf's wizard class does not count when determining whether he suffers an XP penalty for multiclassing."
My suggestion? Extended Ghostly Vision will be your bestest friend until Stoneskin.
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I'd just alternate fighter and wizard levels untill level 10 (5/5)
You wont be able to extend ghostly visage untill you hit level 5 wizard (char level 10 in this option) and stoneskin will be worse than ghostly visage untill you are epic if you keep the split even.
Stoneskin was one of the spells tweaked with a pure class wizard in mind. Its not worth memorizing for a multiclass wizard (unless you're planning to cast it on allies since GV is caster only.)
-TV
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The reason I went for Fighter first, was so that I could get more HP straight off. If I were to be a wizard till lvl 5 say, then become a fighter, I would have more protective and powerful spells But then how much more should I raise my fighting skills after that.....
It really depends on what way I want to go. i'm hoping to know up to lvl 10 spells by my twentieth lvl. That would mean I would have to be lvl 16 wizard and 4 fighter. Unless I just get to lvl 7 or 8 spells.
I am unsure in what path to take.
I like to plan ahead. I do not like making the decision when I get there.
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Here is why I can't really plan ahead well.
I enjoy thinking of possible places my character could end up (Acacea continues on her merry way forever, Acacea is eaten by a dragon when trying to ride it, Acacea becomes bitter after her less than good friends try to sacrifice her to demons, Acacea goes sober and decides to become a cleric...), but I don't know what they're going to encounter (which is part of the fun), or what will influence them.
I don't much enjoy agonizing over which class to take a level in or spells to take, etc, because I just go with whatever Acacea has been doing the most of at the time. She hangs out with Ozy and performs a lot at the inn, hey, a bard level. She tags along after Key and tells everyone to pike off and practices leaping on people from behind, gets taught all the bad places to get hit by "Jarvis," hey, a rogue level. And Dirty Fighting.
Most of her spells can double as prank spells. Like Darkness and Grease. She mostly uses GV to scare people and pretend to haunt the inn.
So, yeah...actually, she's pretty useless. What am I saying?
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I am unsure of the actions to take.
My problem is that I love being able to smash a group of skeletons to pieces in seconds.
But I love Wizards. I love the powerful spells.
But i just can't choose one, that is why i multiclassed. But now i have, i am not sure what direction to progress in.
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damn me and my ability to not be able to decide on something quickly.
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Personally, if I were making this character I would go with a fighter/sorcerer character, and after level 10 multiclass further into a paladin of Lucinda I think, Or abandon the whole thought of fighter level untill level 9 sorcerer and go to a paladin then. But, thats just me, Paladins aren't easy to manage either.
Vyris
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"i'm hoping to know up to lvl 10 spells by my twentieth lvl."
There is no 10th spell level.
"But I love Wizards. I love the powerful spells."
perhaps you should be a pure wizard.
"That would mean I would have to be lvl 16 wizard and 4 fighter."
You have to have at least 5 levels of each class you take by level 20
Also, wizards get spell levels at odd levels. Look at the chart in the manual
-TV
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sorry i meant 9th
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Yeah i suppose. I'm just not thinking straight. I have something on my mind.........................................
What would you do?
All you friends suddenly start saying that one of your best friends killed himself. Chucked himself infront of a train.
Yet they've heard it from afew different souces.
I've tried getting intouch with him but he doesn't answer he's phone, and i don't know where he lives.
He didn't turn up to the college enrolment day and nobody has seen him apart from the two people that said it at first, yet you know they lie alot.
I can't get around it.
My heads just messed up.........
Don't worry. forget about it. i just needed to get it off my chest.
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I'm sure he's fine...........I hope.....i'll see him walking down the road on my first day of college..................I haven't heard anything on the news........so its not true is it?.............................................
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I like sorcerer
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yeah but going with sorcerer would not give me a favoured class.......
which means i wouldhave to keep them really close. Plus i'm not really too keen on sorcerers
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Well I'm not to keen on you either.. :P
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not sorcerers..i mean the sorcerer class. I prefer wizards.
Not you as a person
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His character is a sorcerer, hence the joke. Or was it?
Hah? *sigh*
Edit- Acacea will probably either adore or hate him, too. Have a talk-off. She's a champion yammer-er.
Edit again- I was just trying to clarify that you probably weren't misunderstood. So, sorry.
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it may have been a joke.......but i'm not really in a joking mod. would you be if you were told one fo your best friends killed himself?
All i really want to do, is sort out my character, and become him...forget about my problems.....
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*feigns being offended*
I have found that a 10/10 Fighter sorccerer is actualy a very powerful combo. Just be ready to choose which spells a fighter most needs and you have LOTS of those to use.
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well why would a sorcerer be more suitable for the job than a wizard?
has anyone online made a fighter/wizard and trained him up?
tell me the cons and pros of why a sorcerer can do it better than a wizard and the other way round if you've used a wizard.
by the way, i've tried pure wizard. I didn't like the fact I couldn't hit hard enough.
and the fact i always had to travel with someone to live more than 5 minutes.
once my spells were gone i was like sending a lemon with arms and legs into battle.
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from the fact no ones replied yet. iim guessing your either spending alot of time making a LONG list, or you don't know the reasons why you like sorcerers more apart from the fact the name starts with an 'S'
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Or i'm at work and have to look busy every few minutes
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fighter/ sorcerer and fighter/ wizard may seem the same but are very diffrent combat types.
/Sorc favor a particular type of magic, haveing fewer spells they tend to develop a style of attack and magic combination that suits the player. This character makes a great support for casters. Able to level several spells and then swing the blade a few times to keep the enemies off the casters
/Wiz allows for a broader range of magic knowledge, but limits the amount of spells available. When prepared, this build can customize for diffrent situations and can use the limited spells in very specific points to change the direction of the battle. This character makes a great support for fighters, the range of spells means focus on buffs and weapon enhancements to introduce a stronger fighting force, these spells also double as buffs for other fighters. Offering a second fighting force that can toss the occasional spell as well to keep the enemies off the fighters.
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What Doc-Holiday said....plus: Spell Spamming
In my personal opinion, a well-built sorcerer is a better raw combat mage than a Wizard.
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I try not to Spell Spam, it's needless expenditure of energy. Besides.. never know when you might need those 17 lightning bolts. That's the thing about Sorcerers... endurance casting.
Weston is not a fighter sorcerer, but I treat him like one. His objective is to nullify the magic of enemy mages, and if he gets a change to swing a sword, well just remeber to duck.
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okay, just read all this stuff, and here is the deal, as I play, and have played many fighting wizards (eldritch knights by some):
First: on this server, a tenth level wizard is bloody powerful if you let your summons do the work. as previously mentioned, a ten ftr/ ten wzd combo is powerful and versatile.
Second: there is only one way to lower your damage when fighting in melee, and that is to lower your strength. so, if you want to do more damage as a ftr/wzd, get more strength. This means you'll have to sacrifice some other attribute, which, if you want wizard, you'll need at least a 15 INT to get the 5th level spells of a tenth lvl wizard, so that leaves the other four attributes to suffer.
Third: what you are trading for by taking wizard is BAB (base attack bonus)- your shear martial prowess and ability to hit enemies despite their best armor or attempts to dodge- for spell power and versatility. Ftrs get the +1 BAB every level. Wizards get +1 every 3-4 levels. Also, you don't get a second primary hand attack until your BAB totals 6, and you don't get a third until your BAB totals 11 and so on. Of course, BAB ends at 20th, after that it changes somewhat, but, hey, you have to get to 20th first. So, by taking levels of Wizard you will have fewer attacks, and less of a chance to hit something than a pure fighter. Your damage, however, when you hit, will be no different than a fighter of the same strength as you. But you will be able to give yourself AC buffs, Ability buffs, Damage reduction and damage resistance, plus you will be able to summon decent help for fighting bad-guys.
Fourth: the best fighting wizards are finess fighters (Dex based fighters) since their high DEX causes them to need less armor, plus, makes them better with the bow so they don't have to get as close in battle with their fewer HP. Elves make great ftr/wzds because they get the extra +2 to DEX to begin with. Of course, DEX based fighters will never do the damage output that a strength based fighter can, but being able to cast your spells unhindered by armor and chuck the occasional fireball to level the playing field keeps it the prefered route.
Fifth: If you want sheer damage output, play a near-stupid barbarian or a weapon master. If you want to play smart, and ultimately live longer, play a wizard or a sorceror. if you want the best of both worlds and you don't want to be a finess fighter, play a cleric. damn good spells and not-bad fighters, plus no spell failure. personally, I can't ever get into the RP of a cleric, so I'm limited to the other options, but, but, hey, I love barbarians!!!
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I see.
But i could also learn the feat that allows me to do damage through dex instead of strength. That could help.
Then I would not have to waste precious points on strength...
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If i were to split it straight down the middle, so fighter 10, wizard 10, it would give a better overall result would it not. For me i mean. Since i want the best of both worlds.
The question is how would i train myself.
Should i begin by just training in fighting up to lvl 5, then switch to wizard for 5 levels, or do I mix it up, so like lvl 1 fighter, 2 wizard, 3 fighter and so on?
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I have a fighter/wizard, he's currently level 5, and he's fig2/wiz3. I use a greatsword so that I don't get shield arcane spell failure, cast flame weapon and shield and then go whacking for 2d6+4+1d4+3. I chose the starting stats STR 16 DEX 14 CON 14 INT 14 WIS 10 CHA 8, and I have absolutely no problem with any monster whatsoever. Yes, I have 20% arcane spell failure from scale mail, but I don't care, my spells seldom fail, and never when I really need them. Also, be sure to get Expertise to take advantage of your high intelligence, it's a life-saver at those levels. Power Attack is also good, because you want Cleave as soon as possible. And there's no feat to add your DEX bonus to damage, there's Weapon Finesse that lets you add your DEX bonus to ATTACK, which is a completely different thing. But a fighter/wizard or the even better fighter/sorcerer is great for when I just want to bash things, when I want to play seriously I use my halfling wizard. And yes, fighter/sorcerer is better, because there are few spells you really need, but you need them a lot, which is exactly what a sorcerer is good at. I just went with fighter/wizards because I'm more used to wizards, as they are better full-casters than sorcerers, even though sorcerers(esses) are luckier with the gals/guys.
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if RP doesn't lead you to one class or the other, I suggest what Talan did: simply alternate levels.
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im not keen on alternating though.
I'm going to go do some research,
Thanks for the help people.
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The Feat that allows for Dex consideration instead of STR does not increase damage, only your AB.
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I've made up my decision now.
I'm going to be a wizard from lvl 1 -5.
That way I can learn lvl 3 spells. I'll learn Still spell so that I can cast spells with armor on, though I am yet to decide what to do after reaching level 5. I'm thinking of becoming a fighter at that point, but i;m not sure for how many levels. or should I reach lvl 7 before switching to a figher, so that I get most the good beginning spells.
don't try to pursuade me to become a sorcerer. I don't care which is stronger in the long run. The only reason i'm becoming a wizard/fighter is because I was always a wizard when i played with my friend who passed away recently and he always used to use a fighter......
Just tell me if its possible to train an elf as a wizard then switch. Although Elfs aren't affected by being a wizard, is there a limit for how far apart the levels can be or does it not matter. I was wondering If I should train as a Wizard until lvl 16 then become a figher, or is it not possible to do it like this?
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as long as you play an elf, having levels in wizard will never incur xp penalties, no matter how many wzd lvls you have in comparison to your other classes.
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Sounds like your all set then.. good luck!
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ok thanks guys, you've been a great help!
;)
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er...I thought that a players were only allowed to change class after at least five levels in one class had been taken...but it looks as if everyone is not doing this at all.
So has this changed? Or did I get it wrong whilst I was playing?
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Are you sure?
I never knew this.....
I'll have to look it up. If anyone can comfirm this can you post here please.
Thanks.
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I just realised.
This doesn't affect me anyways since i'm going to go to level 15 wizard before becoming a fighter
then i'll be a fighter till level 20
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Germaine Lorn - 9/2/2005 5:07 PM
er...I thought that a players were only allowed to change class after at least five levels in one class had been taken...but it looks as if everyone is not doing this at all.
So has this changed? Or did I get it wrong whilst I was playing?
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You only have to have 5 levels in each class that you have by level 20. the order doesn't matter unless you are playing a class that is restricted from cross classing such as a druid or a monk.
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ok thanks for clearing that up.
;)
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Thanks too IceDragonDuvessa.....makes things a bit clearer for me...
:p
Germaine Lorn