Author Topic: GM and their True Seeing NPC (Read 322 times)

Varka · « **on:** September 03, 2006, 10:01:24 am »

GM and their True seeing NPC

This is not a complain complain post more like a thing for the GMs to consider.

Unless you use NPC’s during your quests which are clerics or blessed by a cleric I ….as a player don’t actually like when the NPC have true seeing.

I know you GMs buffs your NPC’s now and then which is fine by me…. Str. Con, dmg, to hit…etc.
All this can easily be backed up…but True Seing?

Example:
You – a player in a GM quest - have a few red-circled-fighter-NPCs in front of you and think…”they are bad...hey!! I am gonna show them a trick and run off. They can not do anything about it” *cast invisibility*
Sadly it does not work and you are slaughtered like a pig due to true seeing.

GMs if you can control the “True Seeing buff” I believe it would be a bit more “fair”?
Again what is fair?

Otherwise if I will ever fight a bunch of warriors again with True Seeing (and without any clerics) I will write after the fight.
*Varka grins - spellcraft check – takes of the dead fighter’s true seeing amulet and smiles* finally a got a few of them…

See this more like a Sunday-relaxing-half-serious-idea GMs…. But consider it. Why should your NPC have True Seeing?

Varka

Stephen_Zuckerman · « **Reply #1 on:** September 03, 2006, 10:12:19 am »

Wow. I'll buy one of those off of you. Do you accept eternal souls?

Honora · « **Reply #2 on:** September 03, 2006, 10:13:07 am »

Not a GM but...Gnomish Lenses? Honora never goes out without a pair.

Stephen_Zuckerman · « **Reply #3 on:** September 03, 2006, 10:15:21 am »

None of my characters have Gnomish lenses, and I've done fine without them. How often does one run into something that See Invis will help with? Even in Haven the mages are easy enough to find, evade, and kill.

TS, on the other hand... All those Illusion spells? Forget 'em.

Leanthar · « **Reply #4 on:** September 03, 2006, 10:29:15 am »

*smiles* And what is a voraxian barbarian/fighter/battlerager doing relying on invisibility? I think your backpack full of items, armor, weapons make a LOT of noise.

This sounds like this is targeted at somebody in general, as if something had just happened or something like that. You should bring things like that up with the GM in question if that is the case.

As to the TS... well, we can do this in a different way (and everybody knows I hate the invis stuff)... we can just remove invis and all of that from everybody/everything (including PC's) and then ts is not needed at all. Besides, just about ANY NPC (other than a commoner) could somehow get TS (if they are an NPC of at least some importance).

Varka · « **Reply #5 on:** September 03, 2006, 10:46:32 am »

Hello Leanthar... you know how it goes in there...
For my defence - I use potions of invisibility to sneak up and listen - the example I made seemed to be bad and is already being twisted...

...my move silently is not so god though and nobody take the time to tell Varka ... how should a barbarian know that?

A target....yep.....GMs......non specific - But you see it when you wait for your turn in quests and right-clicks the NPC.

I have seen it and that is why I post it....why? Because I have time for it....

And do not make this post into something else out there GMs

or I have to use more time for typing this so you don’t twist it.

Dorganath · « **Reply #6 on:** September 03, 2006, 10:50:05 am »

Bear in mind, some creatures and NPCs have True Seeing built into them as a creature ability, and is not the result of a piece of equipment, a buff spell, and so on. These creatures are built in that way on purpose in the toolset, and GMs have no control over that ability in-game.

Stephen_Zuckerman · « **Reply #7 on:** September 03, 2006, 10:54:22 am »

Actually, a traditional Barbarian is basically a less-trained Ranger with Rage. Hide armor at the heaviest, a bone-and-wood spiked club... Anyone remember Intuit Direction? Barbarian Class Skill.

But that's off-topic. I think the thing here is that some feel that DMs should be a little more lenient when it comes to brilliant or not-so-brilliant ideas, particularly regarding Invis and H/MS.

EdTheKet · « **Reply #8 on:** September 03, 2006, 10:54:43 am »

First of all, you shouldn't let yourself by guided by the red circles.
Second, you casting invis will still make you heard, leave footprints, make dust swirl and what not which would all give your position away. However, NWN does not support this.
Third, let me turn your question around: why do all the good guys invis their way out of trouble, with scrolls, potions and what not, why would the bad guys no have a TS scroll (which, in contrast to what you suggest, is also available to arcane casters).
And fourth: twisting words?

Varka · « **Reply #9 on:** September 03, 2006, 10:54:47 am »

Aaahh..Okay. This I did not know.
Sorry to hear that. I rest my case then.

*to Dor*

Varka · « **Reply #10 on:** September 03, 2006, 11:09:16 am »

*to edtheket*
First of all, you shouldn't let yourself by guided by the red circles.

I don’t

Second, you casting invis will still make you heard, leave footprints, make dust swirl and what not which would all give your position away. However, NWN does not support this.

Reasonable answer – but which again depends on a specific situation

Third, let me turn your question around: why do all the good guys invis their way out of trouble, with scrolls, potions and what not, why would the bad guys no have a TS scroll (which, in contrast to what you suggest, is also available to arcane casters).

God and acceptable answer but that would also give your “foe” a certain delay if casting or a duration of the spell.
Further – your bad guys NPC could do the same trick – invis and run away. Varka could not do anything about it until recently where he got a Gnomish lens. True Seeing just covers more like hiding as well.

And fourth: twisting words?
Leathar probably just saw me in-game and found out that I was a barbarian/fighter/battle rager and that I have a few potions of invisibility potions

Further asking why a vorxains carries around invisibility potions when the topic here is. Why does NPC have True seeing…
Just see my table of how much I die – then you see I have not a runner

Further: Dorganath has just answered me… Thank you

And may I add this.
Removing invis and all of that from everybody/everything (including PC's). - - - That does not sound like a bad idea at all to me but I believe I am one of few which thinks like that.

steverimmer · « **Reply #11 on:** September 03, 2006, 01:19:06 pm »

eek...please don't remove invisibility. Bil would be naked without it

Besides to be honest their arn't many illusion spells in the NWN spellbook, especially ones that are as useful as invisibility. Illusionists would suffer greatly from such a loss. Mind you if it was made a spell that could only be cast by an experienced illusionist...well that might be different

Force_of_Will_ · « **Reply #12 on:** September 03, 2006, 05:39:43 pm »

Poor Ozy would be stranded in Hlint without invis.

Ar7 · « **Reply #13 on:** September 04, 2006, 04:19:01 am »

I tend to get allergic when I see the word "remove" and "spell" used together *shudders*

crazedgoblin · « **Reply #14 on:** September 04, 2006, 04:21:26 am »

no not invis! nooooooooooooooooooooooo!

IceDragonDuvessa · « **Reply #15 on:** September 04, 2006, 05:12:09 am »

I would love to see all this info removed. Its so very metagamey to right click on something and know eactly what its strengths and weaknesses are. If youd fought it before you would learn by trial and error and if you are in a quest this can be RPd through the dms.

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Varka - 9/3/2006 1:46 PM

But you see it when you wait for your turn in quests and right-clicks the NPC.

I have seen it and that is why I post it....why? Because I have time for it....

Varka · « **Reply #16 on:** September 04, 2006, 06:12:06 am »

Once more...
I request you stick to the posts core if submitting a post to - the True Seeing issue - instead of moving this post into another direction.
It only misleads the ones reading it after you.

Further to IceDragonDuvessa:
Only to quote a small part of my post, which by the way was the ironically part, which further has nothing to do with the issue of the this post "true Seeing"....
I advice you to read the post again please for further posting... please

IceDragonDuvessa · « **Reply #17 on:** September 04, 2006, 06:39:38 am »

I understand the initial meaning of the post and I fully agree with Dorganth and Leanthar on the matter. However your second post brings up a whole other issue and I will not apologize for bringing it to attention as well. I would also hapilly be on board with the removal of invisibility as it is a widely abused spell.

Stephen_Zuckerman · « **Reply #18 on:** September 04, 2006, 07:13:28 am »

If we were going to remove Invis, I would support removing True Seeing as well. Or at least forcing it to just give a temendous bonus to Spot - sneaks are already in bad shape around creatures with TS.

Removing Invis would pretty much kill Tyeaan's chances of ever returning to gravestones, though... Eh. Give and take, right?

Leanthar · « **Reply #19 on:** September 04, 2006, 07:21:18 am »

We are not removing anything...it was a statement of the good guys can do what they want and when they want but how dare the bad guys do the same thing...

I think this thread has gone on long enough.