Not Welcome in Hlint?

[Faldred]

Granted, I haven't been around in a while, but yesterday, I was playing Zug for a few hours, and was informed by another player (via tells) that certain PC races aren't allowed to show their faces in Hlint anymore.

Now, from an RP sense, I can understand most of the races on the list - Drow, Druegar, etc., but half-giants?  I was always under the impression that half-giants were well-accepted in human settlements, as the racial description page says:

Half-giants as a general rule tend to get along well with both their parent races, and have better relations with both than, say, half-elves.

Nonetheless, if this is a new policy, I don't see it called out on the races or server rules pages, and I don't see how it would apply to characters who are already "well known", so to speak.

[Leanthar]

That is not at all true. That person might have been talking about the temporary rule of only standard races being approved for new character submissions. It most assuredly is only for new characters.

[Faldred]

Thanks for the answer.  It's always nice to hear something like this from "the man" himself.  

[Doc-Holiday]

L is THE man... all man.. all the time

8D

[Niles09]

The One True Man, TO RULE THEM ALL!

[Lilswanwillow]

hmmm, that is actually kinda rude, saying that certain races aren't allowed in Hlint anymore, an I kinda see a bigger problem than the 'temporary' rule on that...  I'd ask said person if s/he means it in a RP standpoint that thier caracter doesn't personally want them around, or if they mean the rule of no new characters, or if they think that Hlint is not allowed to have them at all...

[curtwise]

welcome back Zug, youse always welcome in my book!

[Allorian]

Actually this is good; answers alot of questions but brings up a few more. Someone was taking control of Garent and escorting uncovered 'evil' races out of the city gates...

[Lilswanwillow]

in an RP sense, yes... but sending tells to people and not RPing it is different.

[Etinfall]

exactly. A tell saying that is absurd. RP'ing that is what this server is about. RP'ing!

[Tanman]

I think that this fits in with the RP of the world. If the "evil" races were PCs characters then I don;t think that it is fair that they get "let off" because they are PCs. In a sense that can be considered a  slight form of "metagaming" if the guard didn;t do anything.

What do other people think?

Allorian - 10/2/2006  10:01 AM

Actually this is good; answers alot of questions but brings up a few more. Someone was taking control of Garent and escorting uncovered 'evil' races out of the city gates...

[Force_of_Will_]

Wasnt there a post about not sending RP tells?

[Acacea]

Allorian - 10/1/2006  3:01 PM

Actually this is good; answers alot of questions but brings up a few more. Someone was taking control of Garent and escorting uncovered 'evil' races out of the city gates...

It sounds like there is a misunderstanding. Having them kicked out in character is entirely different from being told OOC that they're not even allowed to try to be around. That is an OOC limitation...Half giants are unlikely to get kicked out in either sense (though no alcohol for them), but even drow may enter Hlint with no OOC restrictions, and do whatever it is that drow do when not prancing merrily through the meadows and making wreaths of wildflowers. They simply must face the consequences of doing so openly if caught. Which may or may not include being escorted out of the gates with daisy crowns confiscated.

Edit for clarity--In the same sense, halflings are welcome in town. That seems obvious. If he was causing a lot of trouble and threatening people, a group of people might simply drive him out. Or go dicebag PvP. Something. It's not really anything to do with race in this specific case, it's the manner in which it is handled--roleplayed in character versus arbitrary OOC restrictions... which may have been a confusion about no subraces being approved at this time.

Apologetically edited again for a double dose of clarity- Simply -informing- someone that a bunch of people had been kicked out for being caught without their faces covered, as in the post I quoted, is different if that were the case. Though misplaced in the case of half-giants.

[Leanthar]

"...Wasnt there a post about not sending RP tells?..."

That is correct. If it is RP then it should happen out in the open, not via a tell. A tell is not RP it is OOC communication.

[Faldred]

Etinfall - 10/1/2006  6:32 PM

exactly. A tell saying that is absurd. RP'ing that is what this server is about. RP'ing!

Now hold on... that wasn't what I was trying to say.  Another player apparently misunderstood the situation, and PROPERLY had an OOC discussion with me via tells before acting on the information via RP.

I would much rather deal with that than have someone act IC to force me out of town without me as a player having any idea what was going on -- I would likely have considered that griefing if it caught me unawares.

[Acacea]

Right, it sounded like someone was telling you the recent situation described in the post I quoted by Allorian.

The reason Etinfall said "a tell saying that is absurd" is because it seemed as though it was trying to force a character action through an OOC medium rather than handling it in-character. Much like telling a player to shut up for a performance rather than handling it IC through the character (despite the fact that it is really annoying, the character is probably also annoying.)

In the same sense, telling someone IC that "your folk ain't welcome 'round these parts no more" is better than "go away you aren't welcome" in tells, where no IC action takes place. I think we can mostly agree on that. The part that was up for grabs was if that was even the intention, which doesn't really seem to be the case here. If they just said that other races weren't allowed to be uncovered in Hlint anymore, it sounds more like informing of the event.

Still, as the original post said, half giants actually have it much better off than most--even if you don't like them, they can carry your stuff or be hit instead of you, which is more than you can say for those backstabbing drow

[Faldred]

Acacea - 10/2/2006  8:25 AM

Still, as the original post said, half giants actually have it much better off than most--even if you don't like them, they can carry your stuff or be hit instead of you, which is more than you can say for those backstabbing drow

True, but I did get a chuckle out of the whole "uncovered" thing... as if wearing a hood is going to hide the fact that Zug is half again as tall as most of the residents of Hlint.  

[Etinfall]

Faldred, I did think you meant that someone was trying to get you to leave town through tells. I apologize for the misunderstanding. When I rp Cole not liking drow I will always send a tell saying that Cole will be doing this and that in no way do I want them to leave, but it is all rp.

[Lilswanwillow]

yup, me too...

but it brings up a good disscussion