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It has been stated in another thread that the divine classes (cleric, paladin, champion) should know the relations of their deity to others.  I understand that in meaning that the character would know how their god felt about all the other gods in the pantheon.  My question if they are expected to know the deity relationship with other individuals without the other party directly revealing the deity they follow.  Clerics have a cantrip "divine relation" that reveals this relationship so in that case the situation is obvious.  The cleric should cast that cantrip on anyone they meet so they know how to RP.  The question is how are Paladins and Champions to come by the same information?  They don't get cantrips so they can't determine this via a spell.  The deities are no longer on server status, of which I am glad, to prevent metagaming.  Is this something where a Paladin or Champion should be asking other players in tells what deity they follow since they would somehow know this information from a feeling or something?  Or should they just be basing their actions on the information inferred from the other characters RP?  I guess a good example would be if a Corathite trying to conceal that fact and acting like someone who doesn't worship any diety walked up to a Paladin/Champion of Toran, would the Paladin/Champion just know that Toran hated the god of this person or would it have to be discovered through RP that they worshiped Corath and then RP'd from there?  Thanks.

In most cases it's determined from RP.  You can ask however if the character walks around bearing the symbol of their god.  Sheilds are obvious.  Amulets will need to be determined through tells.  Who they summon if that's their thing.  In some rare but legitimate cases, another character will warn you of said character in question.  It's a factor of everything really.  But in general, there is seldom a giant pointer at this character saying "hey, this guy is evil".  

However, once you determine that, you will need to make the tough RP decisions and in some cases that will hinder both your character progression and theirs.  But then, when you submitted your paladin/champion character, you essentially signed a contract to uphold and agree to that.

Very good question Skywatcher. I agree with everything Shadowblade stated.


--- Quote from: Skywatcher --- The cleric should cast that cantrip on anyone they meet so they know how to RP.
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This might be considered a hostile action however.  Not everybody has the spellcraft points to identify a spell, and casting spells on people in town without their permission was stated in another post before as being an illegal in Hlint, and most certainly Prantz.  I would prefer the direct approach of asking, and most of my characters would likely gut a stranger attempting to cast a spell on them without permission.  You might be able to secretly pull this off though while partying with somebody and while you're already laying down a huge chain of buffs on them.

*an unknown Cleric walks up to a wizard and casts divine revelation on him*

"My god doesn't like you!"

*wizard returns the spell with combust and laughs as the cleric runs around in circles with his head on fire*

"Wow, my god REALLY doesn't like you!"

Conversely, it would be funny for a Corathite priest to cast virtue on a person, drop his jaw and proclaim "Fetch the torches and pitchforks, we have a Corathite!"

Not sure which thread it was actually in but if I remember correctly it was decided that casting divine revelations is akin to a 'private conversation between god and caster' not the big flash graphic on the screen that you see....

Can someone with a better memory confirm that or tell me I'm losing my marbles please ;)

On the whole....I think the RP route is the one to go too...Although if it comes to a Raising my cleric casts it if she doesn't know


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