Thoughts for Aspiring WLs?

[Lynn1020]

I had a huge post wrote up and came to my senses and deleted it.  

But Row you are awful trusting if you think GM never abuse their GM powers.

Edited to add:  I am not saying all GM's do! I would not had the addiction I had to Layo if it wasn't from the great GM's that kept it fun!

[Acacea]

Hopefully they don't. I don't see why we should sit on GM members and see if they are peeking but hopefully they are as blind to that discussion as any other player would be. Peeking into it would be abuse of GM powers. No GM is supposed to used their status and access to better their own personal situation. That's pretty stock and card. Hopefully no one on the team is breaking that trust so blatantly. (I've never seen it happen so I am faithful that the team is trustworthy)

~row

Please note first that I don't actually think this is relevant to anything so it should not be considered a for or against any suggestions made.

Second, that's silly. It's a forum, there are threads, people read whatever they have access to, and calling it blatant abuse of GM powers is pushing it. It's there. They're curious. They've been trusted with separation of the roleplayable and not, whether it is justified or not in their particular case. There are far more blatant abuses available that can be and have been committed by a GM.

This example by comparison is so not a big deal that more harm is done to team reputation by fervently denying it than by shrugging and say if they look then they look. If they use information found there then they are just as able to use plot and other quest information as well and clearly do not have the ability to separate them. If it is absolutely necessary that they not view a piece of information then do it in an IRC channel or in PMs, heh.

[Lynn1020]

I will add that I kinda do see how that may not be the best thing. I was just thinking that it would be a way for them to fix what needed to be corrected.

[Dorganath]

I had a huge post wrote up and came to my senses and deleted it.  

But Row you are awful trusting if you think GM never abuse their GM powers.

Edited to add:  I am not saying all GM's do! I would not had the addiction I had to Layo if it wasn't from the great GM's that kept it fun!

You've said things like this in the past, and I'm sure you can guess my response.

If you (or anyone) have specific knowledge of an abuse of powers by a GM, you should bring it forward.  Send it to Leanthar if you can't trust anyone else.

Otherwise...what can we do if we don't see it or know about it?

From my perspective, reading the thread on one's own WLDQ application is a minor "offense" if it can even be called that, since the thread is accessible. It's what that GM does with the information that's more important and where the potential abuse comes into play.

[Lynn1020]

From my perspective, reading the thread on one's own WLDQ application is a minor "offense" if it can even be called that, since the thread is accessible. It's what that GM does with the information that's more important and where the potential abuse comes into play.

I agree that isn't really an abuse of power.  My thing is do you really think the other GM's are going to speak honestly about about another GM's WL application? It is just like they wouldn't be honest if they knew the player was going to be viewing the thread.

But I guess that isn't really a big deal.  The point of my post kinda got of track. hehe

[Dorganath]

I agree that isn't really an abuse of power.  My thing is do you really think the other GM's are going to speak honestly about about another GM's WL application? It is just like they wouldn't be honest if they knew the player was going to be viewing the thread.

But I guess that isn't really a big deal.  The point of my post kinda got of track. hehe

Actually, it has come up, though perhaps not to the degree that you are thinking.  The GM who applied for WL had a character who most people didn't know much about, which is generally a bad thing for WL applicants. This was mostly due to time zones more than anything, and it was cleared up, but the process was nowhere near a "Oh, well that's a GM, so all smiles from me."

[Rowana]

I had a huge post wrote up and came to my senses and deleted it.  

But Row you are awful trusting if you think GM never abuse their GM powers.

Edited to add: I am not saying all GM's do! I would not had the addiction I had to Layo if it wasn't from the great GM's that kept it fun!

I didn't said it never happens. We've got a history to prove that's otherwise. I said, I trust my team until they give me reason not to.

Leaving a statement open like that, by the way, makes me twitch. It can't be said enough that if a GM is suspect, the community has the responsibility to bring the proof forward so it can be dealt with.

Second, that's silly. It's a forum, there are threads, people read whatever they have access to, and calling it blatant abuse of GM powers is pushing it. It's there. They're curious. They've been trusted with separation of the roleplayable and not, whether it is justified or not in their particular case. There are far more blatant abuses available that can be and have been committed by a GM.

This example by comparison is so not a big deal that more harm is done to team reputation by fervently denying it than by shrugging and say if they look then they look. If they use information found there then they are just as able to use plot and other quest information as well and clearly do not have the ability to separate them. If it is absolutely necessary that they not view a piece of information then do it in an IRC channel or in PMs, heh.

Let me clarify. I responded Lynn1020's suggestion that by seeing what's in those threads made GMs better able to meet the goals of WL then a non-GM player. If GMs are indeed doing that, not that I see how it would help them, but they are going into those threads with the intent to better themselves to gain WLDQ opportunities, it's an abuse of power. That's pretty black and white. Curiosity or not, I'm talking about intent. If a GM intends to better themselves by using GM power... *gestures vaguely* you get the idea.

To elaborate, the very nature of what GM is makes them 90% qualified for WL. They are already seen as a positive influence on the community on an OOC level. They are already seen as being actively involved in the world on multiple levels. Most of what GMs have to qualifiy in is on the character in question. Does that character have enough time in? Does it have tangible development in the IC world? All that sort of stuff. GMs going from what they are to WL is sort of like a manager trying to see if they meet assistant manager qualifications. It might seem from one perspective that GM might be getting some sort of advantage by seeing that forum but it has nothing to do with it. They are already sort of 'pre-qualified.'

Myself, I think reading that thread when it's a post that is clearly marked and not something you stumble across unwittingly, is already walking down a bad path. It should just be avoided. If going into that forum is intentioned for self betterment, it's time to question their presence on the team. That is what I meant. Hopefully it's more clear this time.

~row

**Edit** good grief I took too long to type all that up...