The World of Layonara
NWN Discussions and Suggestions => Quests Ideas and Discussion => Topic started by: EdTheKet on April 01, 2005, 03:00:00 PM
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ATTENTION: WILL START AT 12:30PM GMT WHICH IS 3:30AM PST, NOT 4:30AM PST DUE TO DAYLIGHT SAVING TIME!
Part 1 of "What lurks in shadow" will be run on April 2. This is a main plot related quest, in this case it involves the deals with the dragons, the shadow dragon in particular. There is no party size or level limit, however, Ed's blunt interpretation of the Calem rule applies (Acting stupid will get you killed).
Quest will start inside Moraken's Tower. See you there.
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Had lots of fun Ed! Hopefully I'll be able to make the next quest in the series.
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Part II tentatively sheduled for April 17.
I am open to PM's regarding plans of action and possible short in-between quests (like info gathering). Part I did not go well, and if you are to find him again, it will be the second time you will face him. Keep in mind that this will prove to the dragon that you need him really bad. The stage is set, the stakes are high, come up with a good story :)
See you then ;)
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Allright, you all now have my official permission to use this thread to discuss potential options or approaches, but please keep it in character, like you're having a meeting in the inn or something.
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*triba moves everyone to a corner of the inn and pays the innkeeper some coin to assure their privacy. She asks Eldarwen to set some glyphs of warding around the windows and nearby doors and brings everyone to her attention*
Ok, here's the deal. And this is just one of the many deals, but perhaps it will help us convince the shadow dragon.
While trying to convince Fisterion to enter our fold, he gave us a very clear set of objectives. But one of them related to the Shadow monkey.
The idea is kinda simple but its crazy. Fisterion wants assurance, that if the Shadow ever does agree to our plans, it will be under the Red's command. He wants his authority and he wants it bad. So I was thinking, if we could convince the Shadow to enter the fold under these conditions only so that down the line, and when Fisterion least expects it, he can show him truly how powerful he really is.
*she lifts her hands up almost trying to avoid plates being thrown at her*
Just an idea! And what Fisterion wants. I'll shut my mouth now.
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*Triba looks around at the silent crowd*
SPEAK UP PEOPLE!! WAKE UP!! WAKE UP!! WAKE UP!!
*she rattles the cups on the table loudly and begins to scream at the top of her lungs for opinions*
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* Kobal walks into the inn to get an ale and todays menu, when hearing and seeing Triba shouting from a table in the back of the inn. *
Hmmm. * mumbles something in dwarven about yelling halflings... then decides to walk over. *
What are ye yellin' about lass? Care to elaborate?
// unfortunately I could not make the first one. I hope to be on the next though. Care to explain what happened?
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*she puts the cups down and smiles warmly at Kobal*
Ah someone paying attention *she eyes the group around her* Hello Kobal. Well we're here discussing deals with dragons. See... it has become our duty as you know to unite the chromatics, the purpose of this you may or may not know, but its important we do. Trust me on that.
In any case, after hearing of some rumours of an entrance to the lair of the shadow dragon deep within the Great Forest in Xantril a group of us decided to explore this possibility. Indeed we found an entrance that led deep within the caverns of the underdark.
Here we fought a bazilion undead, another proof we were in the rightish place cause those who came before said undead were about. In any case, killed all the nasty skellies until eventually we found the dragon.
To make the long painful story short, we came up with our story to the big scary shadow of how we needed to unite against blood, unfortunately he was a tad angry that we had killed his little bones so he wanted replacement.
After a long long discussion, and basically not getting our point across, he decided to simply take some of our items in payment and then disappeared all huffy and angry. So basically we accomplished nothing.
So we need a plan and a way to get to him that doesn't involve killing his little army and also a very smart plan to convince him to join us. And of course there's the matter of Fisterion *she retells Fisterion's condition*
Soooooo any ideas?
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*Ahndar stands up after listening to Tribas speech*
As i see this, the problem with the shadow dragon is that it has lived in isolation and relative safety in its underdark cave. It has not felt Blood's pressence as much as the others. It has not, to my knowledge, been attacked by Blood... Unlike for example the blue. If we were able to arrange a "meeting" of Bloods army and the dragon, it might see the wisdom in an aliance.
How we should arrange this, i have no idea. Blood have several generals with each their army, who of them we could manipulate into this i have no idea..if any of them.
I know this idea is next to impossible, but now it is on the table at least.
*nods to Triba indicating that he is done and sits down*
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*still fanning himself as he walks in to investigate the source of the disturbance*
What's happen...*sees Triba* nevermind
*listens to the conversations for a bit*
I believe the next time we visit Shadow we need to find a way to sneak around his guards, if that is all possible, so that he will be in a good mood (relatively speaking) when we speak with him. It would be nice if the guard doesn't have true sight...
Also we need to make him see that Blood is currently slowly but surely taking over the world, making him feel that Blood is a threat to him...
*sits down and sips some tea*
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Thank ye Triba. Ahndar told me about it just outside a few moments ago, and as I see it there will be little reasoning with that enourmous beast unless it somehow is made to feel that an alliance is not only a gain for us, but also to it. As Ahndar said, the thing has probably not been threatened for generations, and has grown in both power and arrogance.
Ahndar's suggestion with the army is a good one, if doable. Might not need an army, but a force sent by Bloodstone sufficiently large to give the beast a good scare.
On the other hand I am tiring of bowing and pleading. If we would not need these oversized bats that badly, they should be left where they are, until Sinthar eventually comes around to finish 'em all off. Unfortunately we cannae do that. If we cannot somehow come up with a plan that lures Bloodstone to act on the dragon, I believe we will have to do it ourselves. It is a gamble, but if we were able to dent the beast sufficiently - deal it a wound it remembers - maybe then our message would get its hearing.
The beast is powerful, and a mission such as I am describing would be deadly indeed, but what are our options? I am volunteering to try it anyhow. Hargranar once created a sword that might give us an edge. The recepe is from the old days. The sword is designed to glide off on impact, and might thereby move in between scales of for instance a dragon, thereby dealing it damage where other weapons might fail. Celgar holds such a weaopon, and others like it might be created.
A well equipped strike-force should sneak in, strike at the beast, and leave. If possible, the members of the group should wear uniforms of the forces of Bloodstone, and leave additional proof behind.
Wha' do ye think? As I said, its a gamble, but just going back to the beast? I think that the outcome would be basically the same - even though its forces are touched or not.
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Part II:
1:30PM GMT / 5:30AM PST Starting location: the Wild Surge Inn in Hlint. This is a main plot related quest.
THIS IS ONE HOUR LATER THAN INITIALLY PLANNED.
At the moment, I have not received a single plan or sugestion via PM yet, I hope you guys will have some kind of plan or direction tomorrow :)
See you then.
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Part II has just been completed. Part III will be run on Sunday, April 24, see the calendar.
Information has been gained by the party on part II, and it will need to be acted on. Feel free to discuss here (then I can also prepare somewhat based on your plans).
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*bump*
Bear in mind that this is open for all levels. But also bear in mind that if you're level 1, charging the big-bad-lvl20-troll (for example) is not the wisest thing to do :)
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Part III completed. __________________________________________________________________
Ragrian the Bard is still busy scribbling her song in the Wild Surge: And off they went on a wagon To bargain with a dragon Drinking from a flagon Gold and items in their pack They set out on their trek. She looks up at a group of adventurers coming into the inn and she recognizes the ones that were going to go to the Black Dragon. "Back already?" she asks. "How did it go? 'tis for my song!"
//please use this thread for further in-character discussion or to obtain information/clarification of events. Thanks. Watch the calendar for part IV.
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After discussing all that has happened so far with various members of the quest Rawkwin comes to the following conclusions. These may be obvious but I want to make sure I don't misunderstand any of the fundementals.
(1) The goal is to get the shadow dragon to join with the other chromatics under the red dragon's control.
(2) We have determined from the black dragon that the shadow dragon once sought and may or may not still seek an item called Orn's Tear.
(3) We obtained the Tear from Jasmin of the swamp.
(4) The Tear is a large round rock.
(5) The Tear can be used for "seeing far" but is currently broken due to being cracked.
Is that all correct?
What are our options?
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I spoke to Triba, Yar, and Lariono tonight. They seem to think we should use the Great Library to find out all we can about how to use and possibly how to repair the Tear before we consider giving it away. I think I agree. I don't know how long that research might take. How long do we have? Triba is looking into a way for me to get to use the portal to the library to do the research but maybe someone more schooled in Lore should do that. I also gave some more knuckles to Jasmin like we said to thank her. Any thoughts?
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*Toman listens, easily concealed in the dark shadows of the inn to what is accounted*
The Orn's Tear? I remember tha bleedin' hunk o rock, I was one o tha ones who did be recoverin' it if me memory be right. Mayhaps if someone be buyin' me a drink I may be able ta shed a bit o light on what they be wantin' ta know 'bout it.
*He mutters to himself and walks out of the Inn* First I be needin' ta be doin' a few errands I be thinkin'.
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*Seeing a group of people with open pockets sneaks over to see if any of them carry any items he needs. As he gets close he hears the disscusion and decides that the Shadow Dragon's help is more important than filling his pockets so he joins in.*
You need any help from a rouge? I don't know much about the that rock and I dout I could find anything out about it faster than the rest of you but I could help you in just about any other way. Though if we get the rock fixed say the shadow dragon does not want it? Then what do we do? We might want a backup plan.
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When they reached the big black dragon, our heroes got a shock. He told them his so-called Shadow brother wanted a piece of rock. They left again to find the rock of which the black one had spoken, And when they found it, it had a crack so it is broken.
"That's right, right? It being broken?" Ragrian asks as she puts down her quill again, looking at the gathered adventurers.
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//The Heretic and Anansi would like to draw your attention to the fact that we have been coordinating on these dragon quests from the beginning. The overlap you have hopefully observed thus far is not coincidence. With this in mind, we hope you realize the importance of coordinating amongst yourselves regarding both objectives. Anything less will result in less than satisfactory outcomes.
With kind regards *devilish grin*,
The Heretic and Anansi
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Rawkwin suggests that we find out anyone else who knows about the dealings going on with dragons. I have no experience here and feel very nervous about all of this.
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* Kobal begins to feel irritated by the bard, and answers.. *
Aye. The rock be broken alright. But perhaps the witch in the bloody svamps said it always was that way. If thats the way of things the Deepening Dark will know... and will probably know how to fix it. I think.
Anyhow. Doesn't hurt to look into the matter of fixing it ourselves. The library is a good suggestion, or the temple of Beryl in Stone.
Remember to bring some coin and probably also some weaponry or jewelry for the dragon. Might sooth it, is my guess.
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I was able to talk to Toman today (not an easy task). I sense I would never have found him if he didn't want me to. He gave me some details about how the Tear came to be in Jassy's hands. Appearently the lizardmen found it and their gods informed them that it was used for "seeing far". As far as Toman knew it was broken when they (the party) found it. Seems it is some type of scrying device. He said the lizards had erected an altar and a statue and were performing some form of ritual around them. Then a rival clan of lizardmen went to war with the others to get the Tear. The statue was broken while trying to find the Tear but the altar was left in tact. Toman said that there was one particular lizard that he captured and used to get the group threw the patrols. That lizardman seemed to have some knowledge of the Tear. Toman said this particular lizardman was dsigraced and could not return to his clan. He carries a big green axe and may be in the vicinity of Jassy in the swamp. He also warned that the group of lizardmen that took over the caves is stronger than you average clan. I did a quick look in the swamp for the lizard with a green axe but did not see him.
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Then we must find him. Simple enough.
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The mystery is solved. It turns out that the Orn's Tear wasn't broken after all. When choosing how to deal with the red dragon Plenarius and Brisbane Ashley discerned that the Tear may not be broken at all and that it may have the ability to penetrate the haze when scrying a shadow dragon. It was offered to Fisterion as proof of the allegiance of the other chromatic dragons. He accepted it and used it before our eyes. He was satisfied and is on board with the uniting of the chromatics. Looks like we need only convince the Shadow dragon that he is in no position to bargain now that Fisterion can watch his every move and the deal should be set (I am sure easier said than done). So the bottom line is that the Tear is in the hands of the red dragon. Lets hope that doesn't bite us later.
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Ragrian looks at Rawkwin with a confused look: "So how exactly are you going to convince it that it is no longer in a position to bargain? Looks to me you still need it more than it needs you."
Jard the bartender hands another ale to Ragrian and mutters to her: "Not to mention that they still haven't gotten back into its good graces after they broke its collection of old ale and thought they'd given enough by giving it some second rank ale."
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hmm so the tear is in the possession of the Red Dragon now? I though we were to use it as a bargining chip with the shadow dragon...so what really have we left to bargen with now?
Buppi
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*Lia sits down at a small table by herself not too far away from the conversation and opens a book. She then replies while still reading it*
Looks like you've dug yourselves a pretty big hole to me, but you never know, the shadow dragon may still have something for you to do, if it still thinks it can trust you. Personally I dont want to be around when you have to tell it you gave the tear to Fisterion. All I really have to say is good luck, you'll need it.
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Well I know we were in a stronger position to bargain with the Shadow dragon with the Tear although up until we gave it to the red we didn't really know what is did or why the Shadow dragon wanted it. Now that Fisterion has it he can monitor the shadow dragon and ensure he stays in line so the shadow is in a worse position now than he was before since his major strength (his veil of secrecy) is removed with respect to the red. We shouldn't mention this to the shadow directly because we want to play to his arrogance and not humble him although we should subtly mention that the red dragon has the Tear without indicating that we understand the position this puts the shadow in. We should play ignorant to the predicament the shadow is in. We also don't have to tell the Shadow dragon that we gave the Tear to the red. He did not know we were seeking it or that we found it. The shadow dragon had an army that got destroyed the last time people went to see him so he is offended and has no army. What I think we need to do is figure out what objective he was trying to accomplish with his army. If we can convince him that his objective (that the army was intended for) could be met through the alliance with the other dragons and give him an excuse to fall in line under the red then he may go for it. Wouldn't 5 dragons together be able to accomplish anything an army of undead could? Basically he is in a position of weakness under the red but we need to give him a reason to portray his move to join the dragons as coming from a position of strength. Give him a good reason to say it was his idea to join the red (since he must anyway now). How does that sound?
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Hmmmm, perhaps playing dumb and of course not mentioning the fact that Fisterion gaining the tear was your doing will help you all not gain the dragons ire. Tell me though, how will you convince the shadow dragon that he would have a better chance achieving whatever goals he had with his army while UNDER THE COMMAND of Fisterion?
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That all depends on what the shadow dragon was building up an army for. We do need to include an apology for the previous destruction of his army and maybe we could find out by volunteering to complete the task ourselves (if it is not too evil). Of course if someone already knows from the previous conversation they could just say so and we could go from there. Once we know his objective we could come up with a way to make him think he has an opportunity to accomplish it through the alliance. Another tactic may be to play off of the fact that the Shadow dragon wanted the Tear and now Fisterion has it. If we don't let on that we are responsible for that fact we could still use it as a bargaining chip in that we could convince him that joining the alliance would give him an opportunity to gain access to the artifact that he has been seeking. Maybe if he thinks he can get it from Fisterion he will join for a while. That would make it in his best interest since it seems that this Tear is one of the only ways to scry through his shadow defense. The one thing that is clear (to me at least) is that we should not let it be known that we had anything to do with the Tear or its coming into the hands of Fisterion. That would only anger him. Maybe we could use the fact that Fisterion was going to use the Tear to control the other dragons to convince the shadow dragon the best way for him to get the Tear is to join the alliance and steal it. Otherwise he will be under Fisterion's eye as long as he has it. I think it is reasonable to assume that FIsterion will not say that we brought it to him since that would admit that we helped him and that he needed us. How does that sound?
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*Kali giggles a bit drunkenly from her seat as she over hears the talk of the others*
*In a sing song voice*
Be careful what you say to the shadow, for now you will have the other watching over you when you go..
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That's great advice. I had totally forgotten about that. So whatever we say to the shadow it needs to hearable by the red. Ok lets start over then. We might be able to use that fact as the way to mention the fact that the red has the Tear. When we talk to the shadow just say that the red told us that he would be watching using an artifact called Orn's Tear. As long as that's all we say, that should be hearable by both parties. That should plant in the mind of the shadow that the red has the item the he seeks and that penetrates his greatest defense. Then we grovel and apologize for mistakenly destroying his army and beg his forgiveness. Those two things should put us at least back to where we were the first time the party met with him. After that we tell him that all of the others have joined and all we need is for his strength to be added to the alliance so that the full force of the chromatics can be brought to bear against Blood. That should not be offensive to the red since he has acknowledged the alliance.
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*Chiming in once more Kali sings*
Shadow will ask you how you got it
You can’t reply that you don’t know…
Red will watch and see you plotting You best be careful when you go..
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The other problem is if you tell the shadow dragon that the red has the tear...it will wonder how you know that, since dragons are not likely to tell adventurers about their magical treasures unless they have too. It would also be highly unlikely if you didn't know he had it for him to use it in front of you, for the same reason. If you did mention that the red had it the shadow dragon might naturally come to the conclusion that you gave it to him and thats not going to make him sympathetic to our cause.
So the only safe course of action is not to mention it at all which then puts us right back into the position we were in before we aquired it.
Buppi
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Could we say something like, "The red dragon said he would be watching us."? Would that sound more like what he would say and still be the truth but give the shadow the knowledge of the power that red possesses? I know this dealing with dragons is tough business. I appreciate you guys letting me think out loud. I am not claiming to be an expert and I would never think to be the one that talks to the dragon (yet). I just enjoy the strategy discussion. It's like a great game of chess. Anyone else have any ideas?
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It would be wise not to assume the shadow dragon is ignorant.
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*Lo'Kiar puts down his ale and turns from the beautiful woman he is sharing his table with.*
"Excuse me my dear. I must chime in to this conversation with my opinion."
"It seems to me that a series of misteps has occurred here. And please correct me if I am wrong. First you barge into the shadow dragon's lair and take out his undead army. Then he wants this Tear to protect his secrecy and perhaps his agenda. So you obtain the Tear but rather than bargain for his cooperation, you give it to Fisterion. I am assuming this Fisterion is the red dragon you have spoken of, correct? I am also assuming that the shadow dragon and the red do not get along? So, you apparently have gotten in whatever good graces you could with Fisterion but done nothing for the shadow dragon. If anything you have taken steps backward with him. Now, I dont know exactly what has been told to the shadow dragon up until now, but it seems like what may need to be done is to humbly ask for forgiveness for past slights against him and ask him how it can be made up. What really needs to be discovered is why he had the undead army and why he needed the Tear. Was the Tear just to keep his agenda secret until it was too late or is he just jealously guarding his privacy? Is the army just to guard him from interlopers or is it for some other some other sinister purpose?"
"Now, I dont know if you are willing to take the opinion of a dark elf, but I think you have seriously offended the dragon and the only way to make it up to him is to offer your services to achieve whatever goal he was trying to achieve with his army. Not an easy task I am sure. I offer my services if I am around and able."
*Lo'Kiar turns back to the gorgeous woman he is sitting with.*
"Now my dear. Where were we?"
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The only point at which it seems that you missunderstand the current situation is with respect to the Tear. The shadow dragon didn't ask for the Tear. The first meeting with the shadow dragon resulted in the destruction of his army and that was placated by the giving of some magic items. The discussion that followed basically acomplished nothing. The party then visited the black dragon in an attempt to find out if there was anything that the shadow dragon might desire that we could use to influence him the next time we met. The black dragon told us that the shadow dragon had once sought the Tear. It was not clear if it was even something that he still wanted. Then the situation came up where the Tear was given to the red dragon. So as far as we know the shadow dragon has no idea about the Tear at all. I do agree that the basic gist of the next meeting needs to be to apologize and find out how we can get the shadow to join although that was what was attempted at the first meeting to no avail. Any ideas how to convince him to join up? Should we even mention the Tear at all? What else could we offer him?
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*Lo'kiar holds the woman's hand in his and lightly kisses it.*
"My dear, perhaps we should continue this later. I have work to do. Run along now."
*Lo'Kiar moves to the table and sits down with the group.*
So, who gave the Tear to Fisterion? Was it the same group who talked to the shadow dragon? If it was, then I am not sure what the best path is. If it was not the same group then perhaps the best step is to come clean with the shadow dragon and take your licks and move on. You are likely in a no win situation. Whether the shadow dragon let you know that he wanted the Tear or not, it was given up before it could be fully exploited. So there is no reason now to rehash it. Now, my suggestion is this. And please keep in mind that I am only coming into this conversation as an innocent eavesdro...er....bystander. I say the group confronts the shadow dragon and lets him know that we have offended him. We are truly sorry and we offer our services to remedy the situation. We should also offer the shadow dragon a bargain to lessen the punishment he deals out. We should offer him the information that Fisterion now holds the Tear and can keep tabs on him whenever Fisterion wishes. Now if everyone in this group here were the ones who offered the Tear to Fisterion then that might bring more problems. If not then we can pass it off that those in the group were with Fisterion talking about the dragon alliance and he used the Tear to show that he knew of the shadow dragon and that he was not part of the alliace. Maybe the shadow dragon will figure out that Fisterion knows about him and is watching. Hopefully with the group offering their service to make up for your mistakes plus the threat of Fisterion breathing down his neck it will make hime come around.
Again, I am just a bystander so far and that is the way I see it. I am not comfortable being in the service of a dragon, but if it accomplishes the goal then we should at least explore the idea.
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*Lo'Kiar looks into his drink and swirls it around a but before tipping is back and finishing it. He looks at the group sitting at the table with him*
How did you all decide to visit the black dragon? Is there any reason that he should be trusted? Not to sound paranoid, but can any of these dragons be trusted? What did the black have to gain by telling you that the shadow wanted the Tear? Could it be that the black is at odds with the shadow and gave you the information about the Tear knowing that Fisterion wanted it as well and more than likely would get it?
I dont like being used and I am wondering if that is what is happening here.
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*Triba screams in frustration*
CAN SOMEONE TAPE THAT DROW'S MOUTH UP!! HE IS DRIVING ME INSANE!!!
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*Lia gets up*
I'm with Triba on this one. Your fools if you will listen to this drow, what he says with undoubtely get you all killed, In fact I'm quite sure that is what he is planning. I cant beleive I ate here as long as I have with a DROW in my presence!
*she walks off and out the door*
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*Lo'Kiar rolls his eyes and sighs*
Here we go again....
Listen, I am not going to apologize for who or what I am. Take me or leave me. I am offering my point of view here as well as my assistance. Take it or leave it.
There are more important things going on here than your hatred of me. You dont trust me? That's fine. I can provide numerous references of my character and deeds. These people are good people that are trustworthy. If you still dont trust me then that is your loss. I am here to help. If my help is not wanted then I will take my leave.
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* Kobal buys a full mug of Black Knights Malt and tosses it at the drow. *
Shut yer mouth ye blasted dark-skinned, children-murdering devil!
* ... to the others... *
I will just dig up a white rock and attach a gnomish lens to it. That device can see far as well, and doesn't even have a crack in it.
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*Klaug walks to Lo'Kiar and offers him a towel*
*To Kobal and others* You have no cause to act in such a matter. I have no love for the Drow I assure you, but this one has done nothing I have seen to warrant such behavior. If you have a charge, then level it, or leave the drow in peace. There are more civilized means to express your discord.
*To Lo'Kiar* Perhaps it would be wise in the future to offer your advice to only those that you trust. A pity, but that is the way of things.
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*a hooded figure walks in and sits at the bar, catching the last of what was said*
Being drow is reason enough to hate him... it is in most drow's nature to kill, mame, and be generally evil. If the many many attacks on Hlint, Hampshire, and the other cities of Mistone are not enough to open your eyes to the fact that it is a race built on cold and brutal tactics of terrorism than you deserve to feel their evil first hand. That's not to say they're all evil, but truly, how many of them can you trust, and are you willing to take the chance that he may not be one of them?
*the hooded figure holds up his hand motioning to the barkeep for a glass of wine and sits in silence*
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Could that not also be said of giants, ogres, and goblins? Yet we do not treat those that walk among us with such hatred. In fact I, for one, would trust my life with one who is half giant and half ogre.
True, the drow are, on balance, inherently evil. I know nothing of this one here and therefore am not about to trust him. However, he has done nothing to deserve the treatment he has received and therefore it is my duty to defend him. Especially when he has only tried to be helpful.
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* Kobal looks up, after having concentrated on the table for quite some time. It seems he has carved a picture onto it with his skinning knife. The picture shows a majestic dragon, wings spread wide... *
Ye trust goblins, ogres and giants lad? *sighs* What? Have yer parents never taught ye some sense?
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// Even though I like the discussion on drow being evil/untrustworty/etcetera, I would like to request you all to please return to the subject.
Also, part IV will be the last part, one way or the other and (if I may say so) it's quite a fix you're in at the moment...*evil grin*. Get that grey matter working!!!
Thanks.
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*Syn stands up, finishes his drink and heads towards the exit, turns slightly to those arguing and speaks in an absent tone*
Judge people by their actions, not by their looks, and give everyone a chance for such judgement. You should know that far better now than ever, Kobal.
*he walks out*
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*sighs* So what are we going to do now then? Our only really bargining position was the Tear and now thats gone. Telling the shadow dragon that Fisterion's watching him is not likely to endear him to us and it'll probably get us killed. So either we steal the Tear back off Fisterion or we just forget about it.
*smiles sadly* ....so now we've forgotton about it we're back in the same position as we were before...what does the shadow dragon want or need? We're probably only going to get one more shot at this so it'll have to be good.
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* ... to Synaldur before he leaves. * Trust is earned. For some its easier than for others, ye know.
* ... to Buppi. * I agree lass. The tear was our shot. We should not mention to the Deepening Dark that we had our hands on it. Lets just forget about it or the Shadow Dragon will surely make us pay.
What do we have to offer, really? Some jink and some gear for its army. Not gonna be enough I think. But am interesting question was asked earlier. Did this army have a purpose, besides of protecting the Shadow Dragon? If yes, we would do good to figure out what its purpose was.
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*Lo'Kiar grabs a towel and wipes his face off*
Uh...I believe I brought that question up. I also would like to know why the black dragon was consulted. It may shed some light on this if we go over some of the details again.
As for the army of the shadow dragon, I dont know where the shadow dragon and the red fit on the dragon heirarchy, but is it possible that the shadow dragon is going to take advantage of the Blood war situation to take out Fisterion? Maybe Fisterion knew this and wanted the Tear so he could see it coming.
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Perhaps... but we don't know and we have little chance of finding out.
* ... to those that visited the shadow dragon the first time, and defeated its army... *
Do you have any idea what the army was for?
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For his defense I assume. They were stationed around his domain as we traveled towards his lair.
-Talan Va'lash
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* Kobal raises his voice. *
If its army was only for protection, and did no have any other purposes I really have no idea what we might offer the Deepening Dark. Fisterion has the item that might have gained its help, and now? What do we have?
If the Deepening Dark refuses to join the alliance, the other dragons will neither, and everything that was worked for until now is lost.
If anyone has any ideas, please voice them now, before it is too late.
// last shot on Saturday. If it fails, there will be no alliance.
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Right now we are in the position of having four of the five lined up. Could we take the angle of shaming the Shadow into participation. It has been mentioned a couple of times that he has been in hiding and not been exposed to the threat from Blood. After apologizing and asking for how we may gain his help (he will likely refuse), might we insinuate in a very respectful way that the reason he doen't want to join the others will be seen by them as fear on his part. We might suggest that the others will say that he is afraid to come out of his hiding to a real challenge but they are not. I know there is the risk of angering him but if we ensure him that this is not our opinion but that of the other dragons there may be some weight to it. You know use peer pressure. Basically let him know that if he opposes this and it falls apart because he didn't join leaves him open to being perceived as afraid or weak.
And just so everyone is clear the Tear was never asked for by any of the dragons and it was a very wise man and woman indeed who decided (after much angst) to use the Tear with the red. Triba was very opposed and voiced her concerns but eventually yielded to Plen and Bris' decision. I think we need to get positive suggestions going here rather than lamenting a fact of life. Who knows how all of this will end. That's what we are here to find out.
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Will this option anger the red should he be watching? I dont want to put words in his mouth if it gets me in there as well.
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*Triba walks out shooting a glance at the drow* shhhh *then she addresses the rest of the group*
I'm going home to get stuff to offer him in bulk. I hope some of you crafters are doing the same. I'll be back on time to go do our thing.
Giving the tear to Fisterion was an act of trust to two wise people that gained insight on the thought process of the dragons. Shadow feared the tear since it can pierce the planes in which he hides and one of Fisterion's demands was to be able to call power to the Shadow. So by giving the tear to Fisterion we obtained his undenying alliance, whereas the Shadow doesn't know this. You have to remember that the Shadow has lied in hiding for ages in the underdark and his knowledge of the outside world is limited. Even dragons have limits, never forget that. They are powerful but they are not omnipotent and omniscent, even Fisterion himself, living here on the surface mostly knew things his servants told him. He might have not said this but it was clear in his countenance.
Now... forget about Fisterion, he is happy and is in the alliance now. With Shadow we need to first reimburse his army. They were just his defenders, he is well established in the underdark, they were his servants and thus he was royally pissed when we clobbered them all. I better not come back to empty hands from the rest of you because you won't hear the end of it. We need to remind this guy that the war will reach his hole in the underdark and when it does get there it wont be pretty. Furthermore his presence is now known by the surface since if we know that means others do as well.
So lets remind him that, lets bloody remind him also of the potential to regain the weave, AND NO I'M NOT SAYING WE ARE OFFERING IT SINCE ITS NOT OURS TO DO SO. But I am saying that if he is reminded of this, just like the green and Fisterion they will be far more receptive. Which is ultimately what this is all about.
He has absolutely nothing to lose and everything to gain or at least keep by joining our cause. If he doesn't reason to that then screw it all cause I got no more ideas and I've had about enough of dragons to last a bloody life time.
*Triba storms out making a lot of noise and screaming back at the group* I'LL BE BACK IN A FEW DAYS. TAPE THAT DROW'S MOUTH SHUT!!
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* nods to Triba *
Alright. Let us pray that this will be enough. During the last week I have crafted a large pile of weapons that I would like to offer to this cause. My offer consists of around 20-25 iron weapons, which are mostly blades like long- and greatswords, but there are others as well. Pick them up at my house in Fort Llast before you go.
// I cannot be there tomorrow, so can we just pretend I gave them to someone in the group, and I will trash them? Or hand them to Ed next week or something?
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*Hali finally stops pondering what tape is, and what it would do to the Drows mouth, and speaks up* I know its not much but as I've only been tailoring the last ten days, I'll donate my leather armors to this important cause. If the dragon only want shiny things, i dont have much to give.
I will however like to be there when we call the shadow a coward if it dont accept the gifts we give it... It might even be fun to suggest it to the wyrm.
*Hali giggles, sits down and drink another of Fenrirs beers*
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*looks up from shadows and says to Hali* You have had one to many beers my friend. One thing you never do is call a dragon a coward to its face.Or a shadow for that matter.*to the rest* I can't give you any help if you wnat items to offer. Sure I can make some traps if I had the right equipment, but I don't and for now my traps are weak. Though I do know some one who can craft gem stones... Unless you want me to resort to crooked methods I can't give you stuff, but I can fight for you.
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*acts like he removes tape from his mouth*
I can offer gemstones of a sort. I am not done with all of them as of right now but they are yours to offer to the dragon. I hope it is enough to placate him and get him on board. Perhaps as a contingency plan we could tell him that the other dragons thought he wouldnt come out and join up since he likes to hide. Not necessarily call him a coward, but imply that his brothers did. Regardless, I will stand by you and your decision.
*acts like he puts tape back on his mouth*
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I will be bringin some rings I have made and some other goodies. -Bama
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I aswell have an assortment of iron weapons and several armors i am willing to part from, if need be. Tell me if i should get them.
Syn.
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*walks off while others are thinking and comes boack in* Never mind. My friend does not think of his gems as worthy of a dragon. Don't blame him though, I wouldn't craft gems for such a creature.