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The Layonara Community => General Discussion => Topic started by: steverimmer on May 04, 2005, 08:09:00 AM
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Just wondered how the dc's for scrolls are worked out. The reason I ask is that Buppi just tried to use a scroll of light which is a cantrip and it had a DC of 25. It just seemed a bit high that was all :)
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Emm... maybe I'm mistakin, but is Light even supposed to have a DC? I mean, DC Vs. what?!
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buppi is a rogue, so i would assume vs her UMD. and think of it this way, you are performing magic, thats quite a feat for a rogue. its not like using a piece or armor designed for another class, its causing things to happen out of nothingness.
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Thats true....just wondered out of curiousity how the dc's were worked out :)
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To cast a spell from a scroll the DC of the UMD check is 25+spell level so, for a cantrip 25 and for a a level 5 spell it would be 30.
This is pretty high, but... casting a spell from a scroll means you have to complete all the somatic and verbal components. Thats pretty hard without having studied magic. A lot harder than just using a command word or gesture on a wand.
Edit: Light is a cleric spell... so i have no idea why youre making a UMD check to cast it...
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it's a bug in the script really, nothing major, just multiclassed spell caster rogues trying to read a scroll defaults to their rogue UMD
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Talan Va'lash - 5/4/2005 11:08 AM
Edit: Light is a cleric spell... so i have no idea why youre making a UMD check to cast it...
Light is an arcane cantrip as well, and it's my understanding that UMD doesn't apply to objects that wield divine power.
Not to be confused with OMD, which only applies for unemployment benefits (baaaaad 80's reference) ;)
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yeah, I had thought that anyone could use divine scrolls, but I dont believe that is the case in Layo, as I cant use all those cure minor and cure light scrolls I find.
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Talan Va'lash - 5/4/2005 10:13 AM
yeah, I had thought that anyone could use divine scrolls, but I dont believe that is the case in Layo, as I cant use all those cure minor and cure light scrolls I find.
I believe in NWN Raise dead and Resurrection scrolls are usable by any class, all the the other divine scrolls are not
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One of the Restoration scrolls is usable by all as well I think.... been a while though.
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Err, it is not a Layo thing. We have not changed the way scrolls and UMD and such work.
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Ahh so 25+spell level thats good. I just wondered what it was thanks all :)
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Ar7 - 5/4/2005 6:40 PM
I believe in NWN Raise dead and Resurrection scrolls are usable by any class, all the the other divine scrolls are not
Wizards cannot use either of these, nor the Restoration types of scrolls, at least it was so on the last time i checked, although you might as well take levels as Rogue to allow the use of them...
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Talan Va'lash - 5/4/2005 12:08 PM
This is pretty high, but... casting a spell from a scroll means you have to complete all the somatic and verbal components. Thats pretty hard without having studied magic. A lot harder than just using a command word or gesture on a wand.
So wands are lower? DC 20?
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I think the difficulty of wands is based on their value being a class restricted item as per the chart in the manual. So, if your UMD is high enough you can use it, you dont have to make a check each time since you dont have to perform the intricate gestures and incantaionts, just the command word or action.
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Boy I'm glad I'm just a fighter. You guys are making my head hurt.
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Tell me about it have some rogish ways about me and I gaved-up with casting scrolls as I don't get it :S
Some scrolls have a higher level to cast and I can cast them, those some are level 1 and I can't *all happy to have stopped banging is head against hard surfaces about this* :p
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freemen: Its because you make a roll each time. If your UMD is only 10 you could roll a 20 and cast a fifth level spell. Or you could roll a 1 and not be able to cast any level spell.
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Yeah what I got frem asking different people but I always roll the same numbers, for scrolls. Fer Strengh t'is always the same and never was able to cast it, think it's DC 27 or 28 and I always roll a 1 lol.
Endurance on the other hand, I always make it *shrugs*
Any ways, only way to increase yer chances is to increase yer use magic device skill, right?
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yup
Edit: or take mage levels. that will vastly increase your chances hehe
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Heh it won't if you have rogue levels....Buppi once tried to use a continual light scroll and failed even though she was a level 10 cleric because it rolled a check on her UMD skill.
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as i mentioned before, if you have rogue levels scroll use defaults to the UMD check so regardless of the fact that you could use the scroll as your other class with no penalty you may not be able to because of the UMD scroll check
as to L comment, there was one change made to Scrolls in respect to UMD a DC was added (25 +spell level) to the skill to stop things like a rogue with 1 or 2 points in UMD reading 7th level scrolls and such
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Heh heh, like I said, I gaved up on it, cost me 8 skill points lol. Only thing I don't get is that while playing the game on my own or on another server, at 9 in UMD I could cast nearly everything I wanted too, fireball ect.. and here on Layo can't even cast sleep, weird *shrugs*
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Thunder Pants - 5/5/2005 3:07 PM as to L comment, there was one change made to Scrolls in respect to UMD a DC was added (25 +spell level)
There's your answer. "There was one change made to scrolls in respect to UMD a DC was added (25 +spell level). Guess it's just a Layo thing, and it seems alright with me.
*thinks back to the old days when all it took to scribe Raise Dead scrolls were sapphires and any old Bard could read em*
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25+spell level is the PnP rule... I had just assumed it was the NWN rule too, but looking through the manual I found no reference to it, so I guess it is a layo thing hehe. All the things we get to take for granted here...
On another topic:
Arent raise dead scrolls still usable by anyone? Seems like there wouldnt be much purpose for them otherwise as if there was a cleric present, they could just memorize one, or rest and memorize one. And no one learns divine spells, so the only reason to have them is as one use items.
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Like i already said, Wizards (pure wizards, at least) aren't able to use either Raise Dead, Ressurection or the Restoration scroll series, from what i checked last.
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Sorry flame, my brain is a bit scrambled since we've discussed how things are in multiple settings in this thread...
Raise dead, ressurection, and restoration, are only usable by clerics in layo? (just confirming which setting youre refering to)
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No, they can also be used by rogues, bards, and certain fighter-like classes from what i last checked, although it wasn't on Layonara.
I'm not sure this can be modified to allow certain classes the use of these scrolls, so you might as well confirm it yourself ingame.
I used to play somewhere else with a pure fighter, and i was able to use Raise Dead scrolls, etc with no trouble at all. Could be due to the fact that there are no variables involved when it comes to the effects of the spell, and these scrolls are sometimes crucial to the advancement of the party in certain situations, so maybe this was made that way.
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Raise Dead, Resurrection are usable by all classes, all levels.
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I am pretty sure that pure Wizards could not use Raise Dead scrolls, could you please check that ingame, orth?
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Ah, cool. What about restoration?
Edit: below here is original post, but orth beat me to it, so... disregard
yeah, in the OC (and thus in the selection of standard items in the toolset) there are versions of the aforementioned scrolls that have no class restriction. There are also versions with class restrictions i think.
I just dont know which are in layo. I would check IG, but I dont have any of these scrolls.
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I'll try to find the time to check it, but I'm positive it's fine.
I've given Raise Dead scrolls to fighters, druids, druid/wizards, rangers, bard, rogue...not once have they mentioned not being able to use it. And how on earth we'd target wizards disallowed I think would pop out to me.
There is only one instance of each of those scrolls in the toolset, none of them have class restrictions.
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You wouldn't happen to have chosen evocation as your magic school, did you? I think it has something to do with that, because you won't be able to cast spells of opposite school...At least I've been into that problem on another server...