The World of Layonara
The Layonara Community => General Discussion => Topic started by: on June 16, 2005, 02:22:00 PM
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You arent very good at this GM thing are you? Just like griefing charters is not allowed you should have just uninvited when you didnt like being managed to develope the story line or plot. Killing off someone first just cause you dont like being flexiable is a sign of intolerenace.
very low points for you as a GM. Learn to develop the plot with every charter. not just kill them off first.
"REMEMBER: there is movement in all directions..."
You have been managed.
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It was a very good quest actually sir.
Those Gnolls were not placed there by Ed. You ran up to them. You got killed. Not his fault. Sorry.
Sorry you did not like it, but this post is highly inappropriate.
Luna
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He didn't do anything to you. You ran up to the gnolls. The gnolls are always there. He didn't possess one and try and kill you.
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Agree, the quest was actually quite cool. If yo run into a lair of bad gnoll you must expect to die.
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I am speaking to Pankoki and EdTheKet right now about this incident. You were with other players on a GM run event. What got you killed was an encounter, an encounter that is there all of the time. Things were easily seen on the hill.
You tell me how that is Ed's fault, hmmm?
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The gnolls were pacing around on that hill all the while the RP-hunt was taking place. Everyone could see them, and everyone could avoid them. I said "careful" when we started moving back, and everyone was careful... besides you it seems. Sorry that you got killed, but it was no one else's fault but your own.
Harlas
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I have to agree with what's already been said, I was on the quest too, and Ed did nothing wrong, the group of gnolls are always there and your own lack of care got you killed, the rest of us did our best to save you but it was no fault of either the group, or Ed.
With regards to the rest of the quest it all seemeed well organised to me, and every body seemed to enjoy themselves except you.
Just because something happens that you don't like doesn't give you an excuse to badmouth somebody over it, especially when 7 witnesses say you are wrong.
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sorry, i went right were everyone else had gone before. First to get killed off by a heard of Gnolls out of no where.
He was greifing just to keep to his plot. There is no excuse for it.
He should have at least "warned" he did like the development.
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Encounters respawn after a certain time and you know that by now. I have spoken to the GM, another GM and everybody involved in that quest. You are wrong, plain wrong and those in the quest (and the party you were in at the time of your death) know it and have stated as such. It is terrible that you get so angry that you want to run straight to the forums and vent and start a flame war, when it is/was clearly your fault.
**The party happened to be in Fort Velensk so they were still together when I logged in to speak to Ed, the other GM, and them.**
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The quest was enjoyable and well played and additionally the DMing was quite good. As all the players who were present stated and now including myself the engagement that got you killed was a routine encounter that's always been there. Been there for at last the last 7 months since I've had the privaledge of playing here. Please be more respectful to the GM staff here before ranting on the forums - if you have a concern PM the DM you have an issue with or PM leanther. However in this case it is unanimously clear that it is the fault of the player.
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anger has nothing to do with it. This is only a game... but one of you (GMs) broke your own rules! So what is the use having them, rules not GMs?
If someone creates a world in which anything is possible and limits "greifing" then neither should a GM do it just to keep a plot.
GMs shoud have to folow the same general rules as players. full stop.
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Go back and read what the others are saying, the others that were in your party and on your quest in the same area as you when you died. It was not Ed. It was you that happened to get messed up with a normal encounter at that location, it was not Ed placed, it was not Ed controlled. That is not anybodys fault, except for yours and that is a fact.
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Agreed, GMs should follow the rules the same as everyone else, but for some reason you are the only person involved that can't see that Ed did nothing wrong. Yes, the gnolls may have "appeared from nowhere" but this is how spawning works sometimes, off the top of my head - the shades in the broken forest and the ogres in the krandor outskirts.
Just because they were not on the screen and then "appeared" does not mean Ed spawned them specifically to kill you.
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I'm curious here. What rules did he break? You said griefing... can you describe what happened cause I can't really understand your posts. (Probably my fault a little tired) Just, you know... how did he grief?
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All go back any look at whatever server logs you have. My path was the same if not more consevative then anyone else in the party. Already having been asked to pay more than other for the same boat trip.
Edtheket, GREIFED cause he didnt like the development. He was intolerant of player and did what he wanted to do to solve in his eyes the problem.
everything else is just an excuse for bad GM ing.
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*nods* Yep, I see... Everybody in your party is wrong and you are right...
That is enough. You had your say, although clearly you are hot tempered and plain out wrong. This thread will be locked if this keeps up.
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I've seen enough, you should be banned. You will never be welcome on one of mine or Ice's quests. You're thickheaded and won't admit you're wrong.
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Tritomtic - 6/16/2005 2:52 PM
sorry, i went right were everyone else had gone before. First to get killed off by a heard of Gnolls out of no where.
He was greifing just to keep to his plot. There is no excuse for it.
He should have at least "warned" he did like the development.
Griefing to keep his plot??
We were headed back. It was essentially over. We had obtained what we were hunting.
How was he griefing to keep the plot?
I think you are just annoyed that you died. Just like you were annoyed and impatient that we were just standing there for so long trying to figure out what we were supposed to do.
Tough luck.
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The only two people who know the truth, the player who was un-justly killed and the GM that did it.
Tell me what other view points other players could have had? They were all ahead of me when it happend. I was not leading the pack. I was following and being more careful the anyone else.
please go back and look at your server logs and files. As head of Layonara it is up to you to make up your own mind if not already, against this player, based upon the facts.
I have nothing more to say other then... VERY POOR GM ing.
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Thanks kagekeeper, couldn't have said it better.
"Griefing to keep his plot?? We were headed back. It was essentially over. We had obtained what we were hunting. How was he griefing to keep the plot?"
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*sulks* I just don't get it... you're complaining about a natural Gnoll Spawn that the GM couldn't controll? :o
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I was on the quest as well and clearly remembered that Rashar stated to stay to the edge. We all could see the gnolls and could have been avoided.
I was way out in front when I suddenly realised we were under attack. No fault of Ed, you were looking for action the whole night and I guess you found it with the normal spawns.
Sorry but in my opinion you went looking for it. During the whole quest you were impatient and wanted it to move along.
I think it was a great quest.
Well done Ed.
Jacchri
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Look...it was just bad luck you were too near the gnolls when they respawned, Ed had nothing to do with it and if I remember rightly he was possessing the Wemic at the time you were attacked. I'm sure that it would be impossible to control a character and at the same time spawn creatures in just the right place to kill one character in the group. Especially as at that time the group was rather strung out and he was somewhere near the front.
I can see that you're angry but if you think about it you'll see that it just couldn't have been done. Also I've been here for quite a while now and I've never seen any GM ever do such a thing. All in all it was a great quest, I really enjoyed it and from the other posts it seems that everyone else did too. Its just a pity that you've had to go to this length to insult a gm who is doing this for the pure enjoyment of the players which also includes you. If I were you, I'd turn off your computer go and sit down and think on this until you feel you can pm Ed with an apology.
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Tritomtic - 6/16/2005 6:17 PM
The only two people who know the truth, the player who was un-justly killed and the GM that did it.
Tell me what other view points other players could have had? They were all ahead of me when it happend. I was not leading the pack. I was following and being more careful the anyone else.
please go back and look at your server logs and files. As head of Layonara it is up to you to make up your own mind if not already, against this player, based upon the facts.
I have nothing more to say other then... VERY POOR GM ing.
YOU'RE JUST NOT LISTENING. YOU WERE AMBUSHED BY A SPAWN. AN AUTOMATIC SPAWN, AN AUTOMATIC SPAWN, AN AUTOMATIC SPAWN, AN AUTOMATIC SPAWN, AN AUTOMATIC SPAWN, AN AUTOMATIC SPAWN, AN AUTOMATIC SPAWN, AN AUTOMATIC SPAWN, AN AUTOMATIC SPAWN, AN AUTOMATIC SPAWN, AN AUTOMATIC SPAWN, AN AUTOMATIC SPAWN, AN AUTOMATIC SPAWN, AN AUTOMATIC SPAWN
DO YOU UNDERSTAND?? DO I NEED TO BE CLEARER? IT WAS NOT THE GM, IT WAS NOT THE GM, IT WAS NOT THE GM, IT WAS NOT THE GM, IT WAS NOT THE GM, IT WAS NOT THE GM, IT WAS NOT THE GM, IT WAS NOT THE GM, IT WAS NOT THE GM
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Allright, I will address the PM you sent me:
Originally written by Tritomtic (6/16/2005 11:14 PM)
You arent very good at this GM thing are you? Just like griefing charters is not allowed in the game you should have just uninvited CAL when you didnt like being managed to develope the story line outside of your set plot.
If this is how all the GMs are here then this game server has many problems. The Architech will be notified.
very low points for you as a GM. Learn to develop the plot with every charter. not just kill them off first. "REMEMBER. there is movement in every direction..."
You have been managed.
And your above post, although they're mostly the same anyway.
I did not kill you off, a spawn of Gnolls of the Mercykiller tribe that always spawns in the area was responsible for your death. When you first went through the area I believe one of the players actually told the rest of the party to stay near the treeline or something to avoid those gnolls. Then on the way back (when the objective of the quest was completed: retrieving the skin of a polar bear), they spawned, and it could be that one of the other party members triggered the spawn, and that the gnolls then targeted you, but I did not spawn or jump those gnolls on top of you. Actually, when they spawned I even ported several off them to Limbo so you guys would have an easier fight.
As for not being flexible, I wonder on what you are basing that, as I take great pride in the quests I run, and always have different approaches players can take (and if they take one I didn't envisage, I don't have problems going ahead on the fly.)
As for the accusation of needing to pay more for the boat trip, your character told the captain the party was bargaining with something like "why keep him alive" or "why not just kill him". He heard that and that's why he said it was a hundred gold more for you. If I had not wanted you along, I could have just made him say that you weren't welcome on his ship after threatening to kill him, don't you think?
Anyway, that's all I have to say in the matter. I'd like to thank all the other party members for posting what happened.
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You stated above "...Tell me what other view points other players could have had? They were all ahead of me when it happend. I was not leading the pack. I was following and being more careful the anyone else..."
Many triggers are at the beginning of a zone and the party was spread out. It clearly was spawned by another player but the trigger location to spawn (spawn point) was near you. So spawned by another player but the spawn point happened to be where you were. That is not GM controlled that is a normal spawn and how the nwn spawn system works.
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as i see my post are now being removed and edited by sysops...
insteed of wanting to communicate a disagreement... you want to have an argument. Its not my world. You set the rule and you can break them if you want to.
At least you should own up to it.
end of line / / / / /
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Clearly you are 100% in the wrong and you came to the forums to flame and vent, something we do not allow and you know that. We do this out of the kindness of our heart and we do it for free and we donate dozens and dozens of hours every single month--for free.
You owe EdTheKet an apology here on the forums as well as in a PM. Until you do that do not log in to the world. If you do log in to the world before doing that you will be banned.
If you decide to start another flame thread you will be banned. If I hear that you are still carrying on about this nonsense via player tells and PM's, even with all of the proof from the players directly involved in this that backs up the GM you will be banned.
Step back, turn off your computer, think about things then come back if you want to come back.
I hope I am crystal clear on this.
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You are on page 2 of the thread. No posts have been deleted or edited.
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We have not edited or removed any of your posts. You are on the 2nd page of a 2 page thread, your other posts are on page 1.
Clearly you do not want to be here and you just want to cause problems and clearly you are so excited and heated up that you do not want to verify what you are saying before saying it.
I am not going to play these games, we have better things to do than to play this game. You are banned.
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Leanthar - 6/16/2005 3:41 PM You are banned.
w00t.
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yes, you have made your point, the choice is yours not mine to make.
You can play GOD with your own world if you want, it is your rules after all.
Pikcing up all your toys and going home is your option (banning me).
I still will seek to play in your world to seek to better the player life and to offer improvements for a better game experince. Is my option.
The choice as alaways and forever is now yours....
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*shakes head*
All that was needed Tritomtic was "I am sorry Ed" or "I was wrong"
*continues to shakes head*
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No kidding. I think I would give my left, well you know, to keep playing here. *holds groin*
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LoL Twidge ;)
WoW some just don't learn *shakes head*
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Wow, I've been told I'm hard headed and I have a medical condition that gives me an anger management problem...but sheeeesh. Even I know when to bite the bullet. I have mixed feelings. I never played with you on Layonara (at least I don't believe so), and I'm sorry you got banned, but you did deserve it. So please do not come back here and vent some more. I know you were/are angry about the quest, but you are wrong, I'm sorry to your pride. Please refrain from coming back to the forums and venting aboutyour banning. It won't be changed/will take some hard work to be changed and I'm sure venting some more about the banning will not help your position in any way. Right now, do what my therapist suggests for me to do when I'm angry. Grab a stress ball, and squeeze the heck out of it while breathing deeply with your eyes closed. Continue until you calm down some then realize its just a game and sleep on it. I'm sure you will think clearer and more sanely/calmly after some rest and calmly thinking about it. I hope this helps.
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or you can destroy stuff with a 10 pound sledgehammer and a nail gun like i do at my gob site