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The Layonara Community => General Discussion => Topic started by: Robbo on July 07, 2005, 08:00:00 AM
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Can any one advise me of any prestige classes that are open to monk class characters, I have been looking at sacred fist but it would appear that you have to be cleric based for spell use.
This does not apply yet, but just being curios.
Robbo aka Tagar Ironhelm
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Monks don't really need a prestige class.. I mean face it.. It's not a multiclassable class. You get bonuses throughout character development, which are not exactly tradeofable. But if you so insist, you could possibly multi class into shadow dancer fairly easily, as well as into dwarven defender if your monk is a dwarf. Arcane archer is not exactly monks bowl of soup. Weapon master is useless for a monk, unless kama or kukri, although kukri offers an interesting possibility, but not for as much for a monk, as for a dual wield combat type... Champion of a God, perhaps, but tradeoffs are too great.... I am not mentioning RDD, it's restricted on this server and will look like a power build anyhow. Assassin and Black Guard are out, as well as champions of evil gods, since you will have a very hard time rpiing into that.
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Have you looked at Sacred Fist???
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Sacred fist is for those who do not want to be monks, thus be forced to be pure class.. Therefore as a paladin or cleric. But come on at monk level 20, you will have your fists as +5 weapons. That is why there is such a hard restriction on monks in Layonara. Because monks are the ultimate armor/ damage reduction penetrators. So there will be nothing invulnerable to their attack.
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*grins* The only problem is getting to level 20. Its some slow work, but I love every minute with my monk!
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I've never tried it but I bet you could make a mean monk/rogue/shadowdancer
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I thought about that but once you leave the monk class you are done with it. So you would have to find a good stopping point as a monk before changing classes. With the 5 by 20 rule that would leave you at lvl10 monk which to me isnt worth it. Unless you take the rogue/SD levels as epic. I think that would be rather difficult though.
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Can you get +5 fists with a monk at lvl 20?
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Level 24 is the soonest you can get +5 fists and that is if you took Improved Ki at both 21 and 24.
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Yeah sorry.. My mistake about accuracy of when one gets a +5. Anyhow, it proves it even more it makes more sense to go monk all the way... And if your monk is wis/str based, with a decent starting dex. Watchout bogies..
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*sighs* I always wanted to make a goblin monk...but alas they have to be chaotic :(
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Halfling monks are the best. Goblin wizards on the other hand... or Kobold shadow dancers...
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I love building a Rouge/Monk/Shadowdancer. I will have to alter some things to conform to the rules on this server but the RP possiblities are with this combnation are endless.
Let me know if you need any help :)
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I just fail to see how a weakened monk plays into this... Especially since you can't progress as monk once you stop. You most likely have to rp really well the reasining from lawful shift of monk, into rogue and then shadow dancer other than attempting powerbuild of sorts.. With various skills. Also I see no point in taking shadow dancer, unless you are going for hide in plain sight, since regular rogue abilities cover enough groung on that. Also summoning shadow and shadow lord, which are a version of undead, of sorts is bound to shif t you at least to true neutral. Most likely drastically shifts your alignment, should be interesting to see what makes for such a drastic shift along alignment spectrum.
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Well thanks for the advice guys, lookks like it's pure monk all the way, if i survive that is.
Thanks fo the input,
Robbo aka Tagar Ironhelm
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General_Ski - 7/8/2005 12:16 PM Halfling monks are the best...
The problem with halfling monks is they take the lesser of the unarmed strike damage, which is 2D6, I believe, at the highest levels. Normal sized monks get 1D20 per attack with their fists, which is important since fists are not buffable the way other weapons are.
Xiao Lin
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steverimmer - 7/8/2005 11:33 AM
*sighs* I always wanted to make a goblin monk...but alas they have to be chaotic :(
Same reason I couldn't make a goblin paladin like I wanted to. What a pair they could have been! :)
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It would be really nice if there was a warrior monk prestige class, as in a monk class that was otherwise the same but could use martial weapons (perhaps without the unarmed BAB). [My current character concept.]
It's sort of a personal peeve that the NWN monks aren't smart enough to use weapons unless they're obscure and nobody else uses them.
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I dont think its that they arent intelligent enough for weapons (even orcs and the like use weapons!) but more that they shun them, believing that the body is the only true weapon that a warrior needs, or something along those lines. Although I do agree, that it'd be nice to have a monk that could use a weapon, as effectively as their obscure/unarmed attacks.
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It's true. A monk's strict training to become one with the body leaves him only capable of using the weapons used in training sessions as 'dangers'. Look at it this way. The kukri's, Kamas, all of those, could represent some form of, say, 'sword' thing. And thus the monk would learn how to defend himself against a sword, although the weapon used would be traditionally based. Over eons, monastic orders set into the same tradition streak as conservative clergymen, doing things as they've always been done, BECAUSE they've always been done.
Quarterstaff could symbolize a less-dangerous pole arm, for instance. And of course, monks learn to use these things that they might aid other monks of their monastary in the training.
I dunno, just an idea I'm flinging out at you guys violently. *fling* *violence*
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I've beatin the game as a monk and i love they rock.But i also have played other servers as a monka and the best thing top do is get some glove that add damge like fire or some type of elemetal damage and then once that happens it be ouchy time.
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mechanically speaking, playing a monk means you're playing for the long run, as monks are pretty weak early on. Your main (not only) advantage as a monk is your speed, in attacks and movement and AC, and you don't get significant increases to that until quite a bit later. A monk will never do hoards of damage, but they can hold their own. What they do become, however, is very difficult to kill, without the need of buffs or magic. An epic monk is the ultimate soloist.
Not-so-mechanically speaking, a monk's primary concern is perfection and order, in mind, body, and soul. As they reach that bodily perfection, they become increasingly difficult to harm, as they gain an insight and control over their body only a perfectly attuned being can have.
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Have none of you ever seen a PnP monk who was nothing more than a fighter who excelled in unarmed combat? The sort of wandering, Rayden-like figure, who wasn't some devotee of a monastic order, but simply a man who fought with his fist, or a staff, or the oddly-shaped dagger he carried.
Hmph.
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nope. to me, what you're describing, Stevie, is a fighter who uses his fists... that is, with the two-weapon fighting feats and the unarmed strike feats. monks are inherently different.
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Annoying disclaimer: I'm neither a PnP nor online roleplaying veteran. That said.
I'm not really one for locking classes into stereotypes, but I don't agree. I feel that the monk's path is a great deal more rigid than the one of a simple fighter who is just good at fighting with their fists. I don't know how it came about, who/what they learned from or where, but considering the abilities a monk receives, a man who simply fights with his fists should just be a fighter with the appropriate feats to reflect that. Monk characters don't have to be monks in the monastic sense (in my opinion), but they are a great deal more than just, say, a brawler or something.
It just needs to in some way reflect the abilities that the monk receives, instead of being a fighter with neat stuff that is unexplained but nice to have.
Edit- Beat me. Hehe. :)
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Acacea - 11/15/2005 4:32 PM
Annoying disclaimer: I'm neither a PnP nor online roleplaying veteran. That said.
I'm not really one for locking classes into stereotypes, but I don't agree. I feel that the monk's path is a great deal more rigid than the one of a simple fighter who is just good at fighting with their fists. I don't know how it came about, who/what they learned from or where, but considering the abilities a monk receives, a man who simply fights with his fists should just be a fighter with the appropriate feats to reflect that. Monk characters don't have to be monks in the monastic sense (in my opinion), but they are a great deal more than just, say, a brawler or something.
It just needs to in some way reflect the abilities that the monk receives, instead of being a fighter with neat stuff that is unexplained but nice to have.
Edit- Beat me. Hehe. :)
Oh, aye, I completely agree with you, actually. But this fighter... Or combatant, if you prefer for me not to use the word that applies to a completely different character class... His goal isn't just to brawl, but to acheive perfection in himself, and in his fighting. He may not follow some rigid monastic tradition, but he is inherently bound to his own code, whatever that code may be. It's a role that quite a few classes can fit into, but Monk, I've found, fits it best, when properly played.
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Stephen_Zuckerman - 11/15/2005 Whenever
Have none of you ever seen a PnP monk who was nothing more than a fighter who excelled in unarmed combat?
Pretty much all we were going on, there. :P
Like I said, I don't think they have to be so narrow as to be only devotees of a monastic order, but the name didn't fit your earlier description. Hehe.
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I have made fighter characters like the type of character you're describing, Mr. Zuckerman, but they were lone wanderers (Ronin, if you will, though not necessarily lordless samurai) who sought perfection with the sword, rather than with their bodies. I can, however, see what you're getting at, and, yes, I do think that a monk does not necessarily have to come from or be a part of a monastary.