The World of Layonara
The Layonara Community => General Discussion => Topic started by: ZeroVega on July 13, 2005, 08:43:00 AM
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The Drow, The Dark Elves, The Acursed, Those Below, Those Who Have Turned Evil.
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Ages past, The Drow were already known as a warlike race, attacking neighbors for power, wealth, or more insidious gains.
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In the early days of the rule of Pranzis a company of horsemen were sent to settle into the wilds of the southern plains to make the land liveable by common folk. A massive drow invasion in the prior century had drawn all of the capitol's attention and left the south, despite being so close, to fall into shadow. The towns of the southern plains were quickly overrun and the people either fled further south or went missing.
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Dark Elf Deities: Prince of Hate, Lord of Spiders, The Left Hand of Black, Mother of Darkness, Quaravalsharess.
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Dark Elf Deity Dogmas: "Worship the Mother of Darkness or die. Destroy the weak and the faithless. Strive to better yourself even at the expense of others; in this way you will gain and keep the favor of the Mother of Darkness. Dark Elves are the supreme race, and females are better than males. Dark elves shall reign supreme in the Underdark. Annihilate the surface elves and take their land from them.
"Vengence is an art, it is sweet and should be savored, a pleasure not to be rushed. Nothing is more satisfying than watching your plans of revence come to fruition and have the object of your retribution realize that you were behind it... but too late. The Prince of Hate will look down favorably upon you if your subterfuge remains hidden to all but your target. The weak and the faithless should be destroyed."
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Dark Elves stage their first major attack on the Humans that live "topside." They held the city of Wesgate for over a decade before being defeated.
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The great city of Port Hampshire was destroyed by an army of dark elves and chromatic dragons. Nearly 5 million gold is sacked and the famous "City of Gold" begins to rebuild.
Also I've counted at least 4 Drow attacks on Hlint including at least one occourance that I was present for, where a drow assassin took out near half a dozen PCs and probably every patron in the Wild Sturge single handedly.
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I have a problem with this race even being allowed to be player character since this server is not PvP. Getting into an arguement with a drow, as I have done, does not let the type of hatred out that should be felt against such a race. They have proven themselves untrustworthy through some of the things you've said. Attacking hlint in three different occurances ... would this type of action not tell every guard of Hlint that most likely lost someone they knew (family or friend) to kill any Drow on sight? This part makes no sense to me in this game setting. The description of a drow is too evil to not cause conflict with a non PvP setting. " ... oh you evil drow, you killed my family member during your last raid. I hate you ..."
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The problem I see here, isn't that people can't show enough hatred, it's being realistic in all of this. A lot of people are showing NO hatred at ALL. Believe me, you start killing every drow you see (and with ELC 2 causing them to level slowly, it would be easy) you'd get complaints. Where as you start excluding drow from converstions, quests, adventures ect... really come down on em hard. Trust me, it'll hurt more and there's nothing they/I/we, can complain about. :)
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Yeah, it's too bad that THE MAJORITY of people tend to be so accepting and open minded towards them.(heh...that sounds funny...and, no, i'm not being sarcastic.)
My first day on the server, I was basically cornered by a guy with a knife. That was frickin' cool...(routerblade =P)
I've bumped into a few players who RP hating drow (for obvious reasons)...also frickin' cool.
I've had to earn the trust of a few people....frickin' cool. (routerblade again =P)
But everyone else just loves drow??? "Lets siddown and have tea and crumpets with the *ACCURSED*. We can talk about flowery things like...oh, i dunno, destroying the weak and faithless? "
C'mon people, lets see some more disrespect and prejudice!!
Obviously people are RP'ing wise, open minded, or unjudging characters. That's great and there is NOTHING WRONG with that. Period.
I highly doubt that almost EVERYONE is supposed to be this way. I've heard other people say things like, "Yeah I might even adventure with some [drow], but only if there is other people around." There should at least be some mistrust, like the mentioned fellow.
Anyways, great post ZV. This has been on my mind for awhile as well.
I wouldn't say this is a HUGE RP issue, but it's one that should be adressed to keep on improving. That's what makes layo great, dedicated RPers who try and "kick it up a notch" (to quote that one chef...at least that's what I think he says :P).
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that thought is just really funny
drow elf scared of a 2 foot guy tall haha
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Well .... right now my character, who was (and pretty much still is) a goody goody paladin wannabe currently trusts his life (well, for the most part) to two Drow, a priestess of the god of death, and a woman who should be dead.
And maybe the voice in his head ....
Well ... I guess that last sentence sums it up ..... my character is probably pretty much insane .... nevermind ...
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Mmm this calls for a drow bashing dwarf... Bruenor where are you?:P
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RouterBlade - 7/13/2005 10:22 AM
that thought is just really funny
drow elf scared of a 2 foot guy tall haha
hey man, you snuck up on me =P
I'd rather not take slice to my achilles....yeckkk...=P
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I as just saying something like this to my friend. We both play drow characters. I can remember when we first got here that drow were hated. It was not long after the attacks I think. Not sure though. Anyway, we got kicked out of town! Garent even counted to 10. It was very cool. I was apprehensive about entering Hlint again after that.
Afterwards, there was a lot of mistrust on both sides until we fell into a group that accepted us. It was fun being harrassed though. It was part of Owen's development. He grew up on the surface so it was kind of new to him. Nowadays though, it seems like there has been some major event in the underdark that has caused a mass exodus. There are drow everywhere. If I didnt know any better I would think that another attack or something is coming. Or do I know any better?
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Zhofe - 7/13/2005 10:23 AM
Well .... right now my character, who was (and pretty much still is) a goody goody paladin wannabe currently trusts his life (well, for the most part) to two Drow, a priestess of the god of death, and a woman who should be dead.
And maybe the voice in his head ....
Well ... I guess that last sentence sums it up ..... my character is probably pretty much insane .... nevermind ...
That's a good example of when trusting drow is perfectly fine, to me anyways. Like I said, EVERYONE doesn't have to LOATH them. I would say the majority of people should, in the very least, be untrusting (save for those very wise, and unjudging chars).
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Interesting original post...but I would note that the attack on Hampshire occurred more than 600 years ago, according to the Layo timeline....that's many, many generations...especially given that history is probably fragmented and not always passed down accurately.....
So for many of us, especially those of us who might have been working in a manor kitchen for most of our lives:
a) drow might just be fables;
b) never seen a Drow;
c) may have never seen an Elf, Dwarf, gnome, halfling, etc. (probably but maybe not), and in any event, might not be able to distinguish certain subraces
d) might react to a Drow the same way they react to other subraces -- with either less or more prejudice
e) if new to Hlint or character has come from other area, wouldn't know about recent attacks on Hlint. I've been on Layo for a month and am now only getting fragments of the "Drow plot"
Sure, we may all know as players that the race overall is evil, but frankly, given the limited worldview of any player, I might be more concerend about the bandits that always attacked our fields or some other local matter. My initial vew about Drow might be either "yeah, right, they're not real" to "600 years ago..what have you done for me lately?"
Just a thought...
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As far as drow and other elves go, 600 years is only one generation, or two at the most. Unless I missed something.
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ZeroVega - 7/13/2005 8:43 AM Also I've counted at least 4 Drow attacks on Hlint including at least one occourance that I was present for, where a drow assassin took out near half a dozen PCs and probably every patron in the Wild Sturge single handedly.[/i]
Anyone NOT feel like hating drow now please tell me. :)
These are all recent. (they were before I played layo, but Ayreon learned of them from various players) And certain characters (ie Celgar) tend to make a point of recounting these events every time a drow is within 20 feet of him. =) (good RPing btw) It obviously had a much greater impact on him, losing much of his family, friends, etc. Imagine in RL if someone told you this? We tend to avoid those who are suspect of serious crime. The drow's reputation should lend them to being suspect. Perhaps people don't value their life enough? From what I can see, the majority of layo PCs adventure somewhat often. Infact, most of the people I see around Hlint I have also engaged unfriendlies with. I do not think this would contribute to a "limited world view." But your post most certainly does validate the fact that NOT EVERYONE has to hate drow. You are correct, perhaps for those with EXTREMELY limited world view (ie just arrived at Hlint, and never leaves), they might not even believe in the existance of drow. (However it is important to realize those who have been in Hlint for a number of years, and rarely leave would normally fear drow for the terrors they've commmited.) Also, take someone like Ozymandias who just kills drow on sight. He clearly has no fear of them, he just does not like them. And I will say it again, depending on your character's history and characteristics, you may not dislike drow. My only point here is that everyone should not be lovey-dovey with the the accursed. I hate to be the one to say it, but maybe Hlint needs another drow raid. hehe. ;)
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feniox - 7/13/2005 11:01 AM
As far as drow and other elves go, 600 years is only one generation, or two at the most. Unless I missed something.
Absolutely correct.
The life span of elves tend to be in the 600-700 year range.
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Good point...I suppose I was being human-centric...sorry to all the subraces out there ;) ....neverthetless, humans do make a large majority of the population.
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Imperious - 7/13/2005 10:43 AM
Interesting original post...but I would note that the attack on Hampshire occurred more than 600 years ago, according to the Layo timeline....that's many, many generations...especially given that history is probably fragmented and not always passed down accurately.....
After having said that, please answer this question. How many years do elves live and for that matter, dwarves?
I agree with ZV on this, nothing more I could add....well maybe I could, I am just lazy :)
Ar7
EDIT While I was typing this, 4 new messages appeared....you people are too fast
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I guess I have the best of both worlds, all my characters react differently to Drow, depending on the level of assumed risk.
Bidwick is mildly amused by Owen, and always states that he's suprised someone hasn't "Planted you yet." But he's a little afraid and wary of the two Drow PC's in storm and Pan's series. he hasn't ever really interacted with Tath... though he's heard some things.
Berdin hates all Drow, actually was cheering for the goblins once in the goblin wasteland as he saw Owen get his behind kicked by a goblin scout.
Velian takes advantage of her situation, if theres a Drow that might be able to help her futher her goals she would be tolerant at least.
Kevor is skeptical, but trusts Rofirein to help him see through any lies.
Anyway, thats kinda how I do it... maybe some day when I am in a really bad mood I'll play Berdin and organise a purge of Hlint and the surrounding areas :)
Vyris
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I have enjoyed playing a Drow. Recently I have overheard many conversations concerning Drows in Hlint.
I enjoy participating in those, especially since the majority of the conversation is anti-Drow. However,
remember that not all Drow are purely evil. Some where raised on the surface. Also, in the initial Drow
introduction, the Drow Goddess of Az'atta was not mentioned. That is an aspect of Drows that many may not
know of. She is a Goddess of compassion, of mercy even of past acts. In fact, she was raised to Goddess
status by Aragen and Goran which are a human God and Gnome God respectively. And, if any know of Drow,
they should realize that the Drow and Deep Gnomes are mortal enemies, killed on sight. So to see a God of
the gnomes accept a Drow would speak volumes to many. However, it is unlikely that a plain surface dweller
would know anything of any of the Gods of the Drow unless they had personally spoken to a Drow or through
hearsay. They can only base their beliefs on what has been passed by generations of surface dwellers of the
Drow past. As we all know, history changes through time, and with the short life span of most surface
dwellers, how can they be even sure that what is told as history is even the real history, and not a
cummulation of hatred towards Drows over the years, compounding their "evilness" and the supposed acts that
occurred centuries ago. As for the recent attacks on Hlint, I cannot speak, for I know nothing of them.
However, all races threaten another form or another, it seems that the short sightedness of the surface dwellers
causes them to forget this.
hehe, nuff said.
Necromedon
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Not only would any surface dwellers know of drow god, they'd have the whole word of it, held suspect. Not to mention, the whole of information coming from drow. More to the point, one would not expect even a lore versed dwarf or human know these things about drown, since in the regular breadth of exposure to knowledge of their race and their past they would not come to know these things. Come to think of it many an elf would probably attack drow on sight, or at least should, if they are properly brought up elves versed in the history of their peoples. And lawful good or not, does not really matter, since drow: evil enemies, daemon spawn, symbol of destruction and evil... Something mothers frighten their children with, not goblins, not kobolds... Drows...
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This isn't really an issue of good drow and bad drow here....because the majority of drow Ayreon has met (including you, necro) have been good on the surface.
The issue is that several times now, drow have *IN RECENT YEARS* attacked hlint. The city is 60% human, and while humans have short life spans, they are not THAT short.
A RL example:
My grandfather served in the second World War, but the atrocities of the Nazis are still told of. See where I'm going? Hence, if there was a neonazi group in town, I would avoid them.
Humans, with their short life spans, will arguably be less apt to make the attempt at understanding drow. Generally, in any fantasy context, humans fit a more uneducated archetype (not saying they are uneducated-just less educated. they don't have the amount of hours in their lifetime to gain the knowledge of an elf or dwarf. elves,dwarves, and humans occaisionally go against the grain. hence the minor themes of diversity in many fantasy novels.)
Looks like I have to say it for the fourth time...not everyone needs to hate drow. All I am trying to say is that more people should at least be wary around them.
Sorry if my tone is comming across as angry or argumentative as well, this is not what I intend. This has been a great discussion so far. *glued to computer right now* hehe ;)
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That's all fine and dandy but the truth is that those rare few drows that are not evil will always suffer the ridicule due to the actions of their 'kin'. If all of this 'needs to be considered' then it needs to be taught IC by a drow trying to change the perspective of the average drow hater.
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dang ... set up a reply and get beaten to the punch by a few others :p
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My only point is. The vast majority of the drow race, is evil. No one (unless they're from another plane) has not heard of drow, and certianly ALL elves have. I'm young, but I've learned of a lot of the big history from 4-500 years back. Even though Hampshire was sacked 600 years ago, it's the largest city in the world (by population) it lost 5 million gold, and was attacked by drow and dragons. Not easily forgotten.
Of course not everyone needs to hate drow. But when I see a dwarf or elf not shoot a second look at a drow or four, it worries me. :)
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DanMacNWN - 7/13/2005 12:05 PM
That's all fine and dandy but the truth is that those rare few drows that are not evil will always suffer the ridicule due to the actions of their 'kin'. If all of this 'needs to be considered' then it needs to be taught IC by a drow trying to change the perspective of the average drow hater.
Exactly.
like I said, it's not an issue of good drow and bad drow. It's about a reputation of pure treachory and maliciousness.
I think the GMs should remind people of their bad rep again, in Hlint. *sinister smile*
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seems everytime this comes up people say "well not all drow are evil" or "well there are evil humans in the world to" well while both are correct, you also have to realise that the percentage of evil drow is around 90% where as the percentage of evil humans is somewhere closer to 50% at worse, this means that 9 out of every ten drow would rather see your head upon a stick then heal your wounds (this has always been Lue's experience, she's met all of maybe 15 friendly drow, and yet she's had to fight and kill easily more then 100 of them.....
honestly while she realises they arn't all evil, the number of good ones is so small that it isn't worth trusting the ones she does meet
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That's a really good point, Thunder.
I'd also like to add that many surface drow are good only because they left/exhiled/chased out because they came to know Az'atta, did not agree with the lifestyle, or some other reason. In the Underdark, I would assume that the good would be killed, as they are not sinister enough to handle the traditional drow lifestyle.
So while the ratio of good drow:bad drow may seem high, you have to account for the thousands more drow in the Underdark. I would assume Thunder's 90% figure mostly refers to those who live in the underdark, and the other 10% accounts mostly for those who live on the surface. It's like being in town, when you are in hlint, there is about 1,800 locals who's presence must be imagined. For every 1 or 2 good drow on the surface, there are thousands of evil ones underground.
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Sorry, all. While I don't doubt that long-lived races will suspect Drow (and should), I am having trouble getting my hands around this concept that all humans would automatically hate, fear, attack, whatever Drow...I think my main issue, and perhaps Leanther's recent thread about no more Drow PCs addresses this, is that I haven't "felt" that in the game.
When you see a lot of Drow in Layo, and none of them have attacked you, and even the most ornery-acting one has actually saved your life, it's difficuilt to see them as vicious, back-stabbing, etc. Heck, I ran into a small meeting of Drow in the Inn a week or two back...Just sitting there, having ales and discussing things...I'm supposed to fear these guys! ;) And no disrespect to the Drow I've met...they've been great RPers, but given that their characters are "rebels" and generally good, again, not feeling any wave of hate or concern. So that's my character on a personal level.
On the larger picture, the whole Hampshire destruction was 600 years ago (many human generations) and the way history tends to change throughout centuries, and I'm not so certain that the Drow wouldn't be met with any different kind of prejudice that humans might give to elves, dwarves, gnomes. (Citizens of Hlint and Hampshire perhaps being an exception). Ignorance, suspicion, perhaps, maybe? In independent towns where people have to prove themselves, like Hlint actually, the populace might even be more accepting. But I see and have felt nothing special...Much more concern about Blood and his minions...
And maybe that's the issue....maybe, as someone mentioned, we need to make the Drow special again....and maybe an attack on Hlint is in order....of course, if Ketzia sees some Drow PCs help defend the town against Drow, well, then she'll be completely confused and won't know what to think ;)
Finally, it's one thing to read about how evil Drow are on the forums....quite another to experience it in the game...that said, let's bring them on!
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Hampshire might have been 600 years ago, but Hlints attacks, and more recent attacks all over Mistone were not. I'd think close to 20+ PCs have been killed by two or three DM controlled drow assassins. An army of drow poured from the Hlint crypts not long ago.
I'll admit, not all drow are evil. But when 90%+ of all drow are evil. When you grow up and hear stories of drow who've raided villages, slaughtered hundreds, and eaten the hearts of little children (sorry), geeze why would you even give them the chance to act "good."
The problems here that I see are...
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- Some people can't properly RP their hatred because they can't kill or attack.
- Some people who play drow characters bring up the old "not all drow are evil" thing, and it works.
- And the main thing is, many are acting like people won't remember what drow have done.
Have any of you read a book called Fly Boys? It's a book about WW II in the Pacific. The horrors that went on there... actual canibalism... it something that after reading I will never forget. Some things, when printed into someones mind will never leave, and the acts of drow fall into that category.
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Imperious - 7/13/2005 1:42 PM
"When you see a lot of Drow in Layo, and none of them have attacked you..."
ZV says they attacked Hlint 4 times recently. While not everyone was there, perhaps some of the other 1800 citizens in Hlint were?
People like Ketzia do not have to hate drow, because of who she is. And there are many others that are the same.
I think the intent of this post was raise awareness of how soft people have become to them.
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My personal take:
Talan has been an adventurer and a soldier before that for quite a while. He's seen blood, blood's generals, stood before every chromatic alive, and then some, fought demon princes, fought beside a dragon, Seen the demon mountains, the peaks of voltrex, The lair of fisterion... He really isnt going to be phased by relatively weak drow on the surface, or half-giants, goblins etc.
He would be much more guarded if a Drow Archmage walks into hlint... but for most interactions he'll speak to, banter with, perhaps mildly harass drow, but more to see their reactions to judge them and their abilities. But if something goes wrong and this lone drow or small group of drow attacks, he is confident he will cut them down.
Most hate is based in fear, and without that fear, (and many convoluded past experiences that complicate matters) He does not hate.
I guess this is a higher level character type stance, and there are many PCs that would fear some of the "bad race" PCs, but keep in mind that hate and fear are closely linked when considering your characters motives.
Even a level 10 character has seen a lot, and likely developed a certain confidence, or at least knows their own abilities. As such, I dont find it overly belivable if they were to jump every time a goblin, or drow walked past them. Of course, they might have another reason to hate a certain race... be it rengance or something else.
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Z.V. and Ayreon:
First, thanks for the posts. This has been good. I'm really not trying to be contrary (although given the number of times I've posted today, it would be hard to believe that).
Second, I'm relatively new to Layo (about a month), and while I try to keep up with the forums, I miss a lot of things. I wasn't aware of all of these attacks or the assassins or armies, although I think that the fact that I haven't is somewhat instructional on how news and events actually permeate worlds (both real and imagined). As I said, I spent a fair amount of time on the forums and looking back at older posts, but even then a lot of this is new to me.
Certainly nearly all Drow are evil...I suspect good ones make up a very small percentage (one half of one percent or whatever Leanthar and the GMs decide). No argument here.
Third and finally, I guess I thought people were becoming "soft" on Drow because we were seeing a change...the number of Drow, and the number of interactions with them that lots of people had with them, were increasing, thus making them less scary and mystersious. My character came in at that point, but even from an objective point of view, there seemed to be less overall suspicion. Again, a timeline that points out to me the last major Drow activity was more than 600 years ago, but with lots of events about Blood, etc. said that to me. It had me thinking that the increaing number of Drow was a change, an evolution...this is what I meant about not necesssarily "feeling" the Drow threat in the game.
Clearly, this thread and Leanthar's recent post clearly indicates a change, and that's fine. Just my observations.
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A response to Talan's post in another thread:
Drow get +2 Intelligence and +2 Charisma. That basicly makes them a spell caster happy subrace (anyone seen how many drow Wizards/Sorcerers there are?).
They get 10, +2/2 levels Spell Resistance, and they have it with them all the time. It's like having one of the most powerful clerical spells stuck to you all the time.
Now they get this stuff, and no "real" drawbacks other than the ELC. These guys aren't just being played for a "cool factor" as was said in another post. Somewhere in the subconcious minds of everyone who's submitted a drow, they've taken this into account. Either way drow are not going to be approved for 2 1/2 months and then they'll get looked at again.
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Imperious - 7/13/2005 2:51 PM
Second, I'm relatively new to Layo (about a month), and while I try to keep up with the forums, I miss a lot of things. I wasn't aware of all of these attacks or the assassins or armies, although I think that the fact that I haven't is somewhat instructional on how news and events actually permeate worlds (both real and imagined). As I said, I spent a fair amount of time on the forums and looking back at older posts, but even then a lot of this is new to me.
It is definitely a indication of news permeates through the world, like you said. I have actually only been here for a couple weeks, and I've heard this account several times. Two or three times by Celgar, and then other scattered invidiuals.
So as far as how news travels...it seems to be quite random!! I'm not trying to suggest that I researched the world more or anything like that, so please don't misread me (this is the internet, and that tends to happen). I just happened to be in the right place at the right time.
I would say most of the drow on the surface are genuinely good, as far as I can see. This would eliminate much suspicion amongst humans, I would suspect. We have to be mindful of all of the "imaginary" citizens of layo, including the much higher population of evil drow (than good), and the 1,800 citizens of Hlint (seeing as there is about 30-60 people on at a time, it can be hard to remember). I guess my assumption is, like in the real world, tragedy of the past would be permanently set in their memories.
Ayreon feels very strongly about proving himself to the surfacers, and I believe he was one of the drow you mentioned at the Inn. When he first started he was given much more prejudice (by chance of meeting drow disliking RPers), which was very welcoming in a strange way.
" I'm really not trying to be contrary (although given the number of times I've posted today, it would be hard to believe that)."
Don't worry about it, you have helped prolong a good discussion. Thank you.
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We also had a huge influx of new players to Layonara roughly a month ago. Most of these events happened a few months ago before the newer players started streaming in. Trust me, as this event was going on (and it still is though it's discrete I believe) EVERYONE knew about it, however at least half of the people playing now adays missed the loud and inclusive part of the event so they're only catching tales from those who were/are involved.
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ZeroVega - 7/13/2005 6:02 PM These guys aren't just being played for a "cool factor" as was said in another post. Somewhere in the subconcious minds of everyone who's submitted a drow, they've taken this into account. Either way drow are not going to be approved for 2 1/2 months and then they'll get looked at again.
I cant speak for anyone else, but I submitted Owen with the idea of playing a drow for one because it was a 'cool' subrace. The other reason was that I wanted to find a way to play a drow that was different than the old cliche that was popularized by R.A. Salvatore. I saw their bonuses and thought to myself that the race was pretty powerful, but I can honestly tell you that it had no real effect on my decision. It was more of an underdog trying to make his way in the world idea. I mean, Owen is a bard. How many drow bards are there? I just thought it would be fun to do something completely different and out there. I really wasnt sure it would work but I thought it would at least get me familiar with Layonara so I could submit a different character. Then I fell in love with Owen and got more involved in playing him. *shrugs* Thats not to say that you are not correct about 90 some percent of the other submissions. I dont know. This is just my perspective. I can tell you that I am ecstatic that L put a hold on drow submissions. When I see a different drow almost every time I walk through Hlint, I think it is time to limit their availability. Again, my opinion only. This is nothing against anyone currently playing a drow.
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You can always count on Lia to make drow feel unwelcomed, accually you can kinda count on her to make anyone feel unwelcomed really, heh. Now, I know, my character happens to work with a drow, but the reason why... he is one of the leaders of a wizards guild, that one day could have tons of influence and power within the magical world of Layonara, she decided to become a leader as well because she cannot let him rule unchallenged, and so conflict of leaders will persue which will make the guild very interesting down the road (I think it would be cool if we had enough members where even factions within the guild were made to eventually challenge eachother, some siding with the drow, others opposing.) I dont however have my character kill those in sight or make conflict with them for too long under a few reasons, for one, despite what you think, Lia tries to avoid physical conflict for many reasons that if you wish to find out you will have to in game ;). And two, also despite what you think she doesn't hate the race, she will eventually when she is able, but not now; though, she has enough knowledge and experience with thier kind to know that they cannot be trusted. So instead she will try and make them leave her, and if that doesn't work she will make them feel very unwelcomed
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Owen can vouch for Lia hating drow. :)
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*Cole stares at the drow, drawing his sword* hmmph...another one" he mutters. "What do you want?" he asks the dark elf, but before he can answer, Cole turns his back to him and walks away, waiting for the attack.
Cole hates drow. Maybe for different reasons, but he hates them. He even tried to not hate them but that failed. Cole has actually been called racist by harping about drow. Drow are most welcome by most it seems...traitors.
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Im sorry to say that I half to agree that the drow arent quite hated as they should be, and I play a drow! While it DOES make it easyer for me to find groups and such ive only ever met 1 pc, and it was an elf that actually acted like he wanted to kill me!! O there are plenty who joke about killing me, I think ozy has first pick and path has 2nd pick but the line seem's to have a few takers as well. ;) Its just that I find it hard to believe as im walking through hlint and I run across someone ive never met before and who doesnt know of me smile, walks up to me and introduces themselves. To, kinda help out with this I have taken to wearing my hemlet most of the time so people wouldn't exactly know that I am drow so they would have no reason to walk up to me in greeting. *shrugs* Just somthing to think about. If Hlint was attacked by assassian's recentally then the people of Hlint would still hate drow. You talk about humans having short life spans and such but just think of it this way. If a group of assassians attacked your home town slaughtering all who they come across how long do you think the people of your town would remember such an act? Just somthing to think about the next time you think about running up to a drow and introduce yourself.
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To be perfectly honest, all of my characters have excuses.
Ash is just plain fricken weird ... He'd hit on a half-orc woman if given the chance and for some reason worships Azatta, mostly because it helps him to be able to forgive the people in his past.
Hyuga, being from a completly different world, had seen no race other than humans until his arrival on Layo, and actually met a Drow before meeting an elf ... and no one actually explained to him the difference, so he very well may end up calling normal elves Drow (and THAT will be funny!)
Quin ... well, Quin was caught up in the whole Drow assassin thing, and Quin really tried to hate the drow ... but people like Synaldur and Marainna and Tathnolu kept coming to mind, and he couldn't hate them. (well ... Tath is weird ... but Quin trusts him anyway)
Barravelve was a drow, and he hated surfacers. One time another player had the decency to spit on him, and he went out of his way to give her a good death threat or two. I think he also mentioned how pretty Brisbane was, and how fair a price she would fetch as a slave in the underdark.
Khalid was senile, and drunk, and half blind and deaf .... he probably wouldn't know a drow from a cow half the time ...
Well ... I have to agree that it is a shame that not many people here are willing to RP a hatred of Drow, but I think that for most, it isn't a central point of their character. I did not plan Quin as a friend to Drow, and infact, initially, I wanted to make a character distrustull of non-humans in general ... That much was impractical on so many levels that I couldn't do it. (especially considering the whole first character on pretty much my first online gaming experience.) Then I had my first run-in with a drow, and by the time I (the player) really registered he was a drow (mind you he was completly visible as one, no mistaking it) we had already been buddying around for a bit.
Hating another players character is something that doesn't come easy ... it is hard for me to hate the characters of people like Chanda, Marcus Perrin, and their various assassociates and they are really truely outright as evil as characters really get on this server (aside from Rufus ... but he scares the crap out of me ...)
Anyway ... there is more than my share of input, and I forgot where I was going with it because it is about 4:00AM ... make of it what you will.