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NWN Discussions and Suggestions => CNR Suggestions/Discussion => Topic started by: Germaine Lorn on July 29, 2005, 11:31:00 AM
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We all know craftin' 'as it's bad days and it's really bad days. So wivou' furver ado, I open Mary's Book o' Craftin' records. Had a run of bad luck and want to break something? post 'ere an' share yer misfor'une.
I will start with:
100+ lumps of clay 35% chance success. Failed every single one and broke 5 shovels.
Oh how I spli' me sides wi' laughin'.
Mary Blood Axe
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took months gathering materials and gems and potions to make tiger gloves. Had a 25 % chance to succeed. First time... success.
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Got me and a party killed gathering platinum for a shield ...
Turns out there is no such thing as a platinum shield ....
Still have the platinum though...
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Now that is amusing.
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Found a dwarf to mine me some coal. Went out an dug me some sand... spent hours digging and managed 1'200lbs of sand. (That's right) Made the glass piece of cake.... went to make the rods.... thought "alright, I'll do it one at a time" yet I put all my coal on forgettin that I don't get to chose how many I want to make rolled a 1, and made a grand total of 0 level IV rods.
*Casts Cats Grace on self* *Casts Eagles Splendor on self* *Runs and buys everything he needs to craft his diamond* Came back and tried to cut it... my spells wore off and my % chance dropped by 15%. Before I needed a 6 or greater to make it, my spells wore off and I needed a 9+ to make it... I rolled an 8. :(
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Gretchen once braved numerous deadly Color Sprays to mine tin from two deposits. Each deposit yielded exactly one nugget of tin before breaking. On another occasion she made two runs for greenstones, checking five deposits per visit, and got two greenstones. It seems her (un?)lucky number is two.
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If you think you're having bad just know it does even out. The Crafting Rolls chart (Here: http://www.layonaraonline.com/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=15398&posts=17 ) shows that.
And yikes watch out for those color sprays! :)
edit: fixed link
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Still think it's a conspiracy that I get bad rolls on the hard stuff, and good rolls on the easy stuff.
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ZeroVega - 7/29/2005 6:38 PM
Still think it's a conspiracy that I get bad rolls on the hard stuff, and good rolls on the easy stuff.
Mine's the other way around... I made a suit of bronze full plate in one try with a 35% chance, and on another occasion blew a smelting job with a 95% chance. To each his own curse, I guess. :)
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In the interests of balance. I just got an absurdly lucky roll. Another 50 lumps of clay and 4 more shovels wasted. Not good, So I thought "ah well I'll put 40 lumps in at once", and you know what? SUCCESS.
Mostly posting this for myself...so when I get a run of bad luck I don't forget about this one. :)
Mary Blood Axe
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It seems no matter what you craft when the chance of sucess is 95% you roll a 1 9 times out of 10.
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mysql> select count(*),roll from crafting_log where success = 2 group by roll;
+----------+------+
| count(*) | roll |
+----------+------+
| 221 | 1 |
| 221 | 2 |
| 251 | 3 |
| 245 | 4 |
| 231 | 5 |
| 236 | 6 |
| 252 | 7 |
| 257 | 8 |
| 217 | 9 |
| 238 | 10 |
| 242 | 11 |
| 243 | 12 |
| 242 | 13 |
| 243 | 14 |
| 242 | 15 |
| 259 | 16 |
| 216 | 17 |
| 237 | 18 |
| 228 | 19 |
| 215 | 20 |
Total Rolls:4736
Total Failures on a 95%:221
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Grog's first attempt at smelting Copper had 40 attempts with a 50% chance of success, and he failed every single one of them.
On the flip side, he has found 2 Emeralds, 1 Diamond, and 1 Ruby since then. ;)
-Jester
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first and only try to make a cobalt armor, only had materials for one. 10% DING!
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yeah I did that with my first rod IV Cold.Had a 5% chance and tried anyways.
I was shocked I made the roll.
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Only found one diamond in two years of playing, rolled a 1 on 95% while cutting it
Rolled a 1 while making an emerald ring on 90%, all together it took me 8 emeralds to make 3 pieces of jewelry. Those 1s and 2s really come at a bad time.
Plus so many other failures that I can't even remember them
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I got 4 branches of mahagony, ...
so I tried to craft them to get some arrowshafts, had to roll under 9 to fail:
first roll: 1
second roll:2
third roll:3
fourth roll:8
:o
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ouch...must have hurt....
made pies once....70% of success.....made 1 out 5
....on the other hand I have never failed a compound bow yet...even when I took a flyer on a mahogany compound with 40% chance..
so I guess it balances out.....but 70% is my jinx number....always seem to fail at that....rather take the rings off and craft at 65% than craft at 70%
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Done a lot of crafting dont rember ever geting a 20 but i have had lots of 1's
I would like to see the bell curve on expanded probalibaty
Meening that the more chance you have to roll good the more you higher than needed and etc lower for lower
so 40% you get lots and lots of 1's 70% chance lots and lots of 20
or is it the 5 red cars on the road problem where you only see the patten not the fourm.
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When you succeed, you don't see what you rolled.
It's impossible to know whether you rolled a 20 or not unless the item you are making has an exceptional version if you do roll a 20.
-Jester
EDIT: Or if you only have a 5% chance of making the item and you succeed. Then you know you rolled a 20. ;)
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One also gets into the question of what items can be exceptional. I know that belt of cunning, gloves of fury, and at least most rings can be exceptional but it would be nice if we had a complete list of what was exceptional. It isn't something you can tell unless you create an exceptional item.
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Now I don't whether this qualifies as a crafting disaster, but since Mystery Minerals are CNR, I decided to put this list up. It fits nicely in, since there is another discussion about people finding many many precious gems.
So basically I started this list a bit more than a year ago and it lists all the mystery minerals Rufus has found.
The quote from the journal of Rufus Coldfinger
2 - Greenstone
14 - Malachite
28 - Phenalope
23 - Aventurine
18 - Fire agate
26 - Amethyst
14 - Feldspar
22 - Garnet
14 - Alexandrite
12 - Topaz
7 - Sapphire
1 - Diamond
3 - Ruby
4 - Fire Opal
As I said, over a year *sighs and looks at the "I have found 3 emeralds" topic* :)
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*Marv coughs and hides his "I made the first ever Exceptional Panther Cloak trophy"*
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ModernMarvel - 9/28/2005 6:48 AM *Marv coughs and hides his "I made the first ever Exceptional Panther Cloak trophy"*
Oh, you just HAD to get that in there, didn't you? Well, Mr. Big shot, put your money where your mouth is and make me another one!
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Chrys Ellis - 9/28/2005 7:57 AM ModernMarvel - 9/28/2005 6:48 AM *Marv coughs and hides his "I made the first ever Exceptional Panther Cloak trophy"*
Oh, you just HAD to get that in there, didn't you? Well, Mr. Big shot, put your money where your mouth is and make me another one!
I made one about a month ago.... can I have a cookie too? -TV
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This one must be some record...at least for me it is...and must also be one of the stuppiest things I ever done.
95% chance to make a mahogany shortbow (without casting cat's grace, but who need buffing spells on 95%)...........roll 1.....mmm....not my day I guess.....
*takes another piece of mahogany out*
95% chance to make a mahogany short stave (who needs cat's grace....)...........roll 1.....what!!!....I should have casted cat's grace.....
*takes another piece of mahogany*.....*cast cat's grace*.....
ah....one mahogany shortbow....now to add compound cams...
*cast cat's grace, bull strength and any other spell that might make a difference including light*
...85% chance........................................................phew....success.....
Lesson learned: with the bad comes good as well and nothing in life is guarenteed....
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so as to balance out all of the fails the gods of random have allowed me to make two hunter bow out of two tries with a 20% anf 30% chance :)
Glenn (//John)
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Cut four minerals at 10% chance of success in a row.... *shrug* But I remeber well rolling 1 four times in a row.... for a 95% sucess...
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The gods have taken every successful roll Weston might ever have and replaced it with your failed rolls...
soon people will be setting Weston up as the Patron Saint of highrolls.. he he he he
specificly... Spot Rolls
grrrr
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Has anyone wondered if perhaps the % (ie.95%) was the percent of FAILING the said craft?- That would answer many questions O_o
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So how hard can crafting really be?
Buy shovel 44 coin
Buy axe 44 coin
Buy miners pick 80 coin
Logged on Screen time 4 hours
death, heavily encumbered and failure at attepted crafting arrows.
Priceless
Ill spend the 4 coin for 99 arrows and take the one less point of damage.
But hey I now have 12 bags of saw dust and three twisted scraps of copper
Mabey we should petition for abstract art scuplure as a craft.