The World of Layonara
The Layonara Community => Roleplaying => Topic started by: Stempest on August 21, 2005, 12:05:00 AM
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Answer me this:
Do you, the real you, run everywhere that you go? I'd be surprised if anyone can answer this truthfully with a "yes".
My point is, I find it frustrating, on what is supposedly a high-RP world, that everyone runs everywhere. I understand that places are far away, and that it's faster to run. I do it myself when I'm on my own. Fair enough. But running through the middle of town? I find that it detracts slightly from the the RP value of it all. So please, just try walking through town at least. Who knows, you might end up getting involved in more parties if you do, since people will actually have time to pull you up and talk to you.
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Quin runs to avoid parties ...... he's like a grumpy old man in a cute yound knight's form ...
But seriously, I do have my characters walk when they can, but alot of times it is just VERY inconvenient, especially if you are in a RL hurry.
If this was spawned by Viv and Cray running through Hlint about a half hour ago though, they actually WERE having a Race, to Leilon. Viv won. Still trying to think of an appropriate prize.
Oh, and the real me doesn't run .... ever .... if I am being chased by a bear, guess what, I get mauled. No running.
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There are some things you could say to this like "Yeah." or "Word." or "Yeah, but I don't have an 8 hour time block to play and would like to get where I'm going..." or "Yeah but there is no in between run/walk and there is just no 'skip' speed for my halfling who still stop to chat with anyone she passes..." but most people have said something about it at some time or another, I think. Like Here (http://www.layonaraonline.com/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=13856&start=1) or Here (http://www.layonaraonline.com/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=14648&start=1). :)
You know. It's just something that people will probably always be talking about. Like racial tension in game. Or...
Actually, let me not give more examples. ;)
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Or Death Tokens! Oh how I hate them.
Actually ... I kinda like them now ...no Death Tokens would mean no Vivian ... Viv was inspired when Quin got DT #6. I wanted a new character to blow off some steam for a bit. I really like Vivian though, she feels alot like Quin did this low level ... which is what I wanted back ...
Oh! Lets talk about fast leveling!
Grrr, I hate fast levelers! I have made bows for people that are now level 18+
Let's talk about GM's entering player's houses!
hehe, this is a big one for me. *wags finger* You know what I am talking about. Pointing at you Pan,and Nuzatch before you ... thanks for the warning the second time though, it was VERY appreciated.
Lets talk about player vendors!
I never knew them, so, eh.
Let's talk about banning!
Hurray for banning! I can't think of a single banning that has happened while I was here that wasn't for the benefit of us all.
Lets talk about housing!
Want cheap housing, go to the Leilon Arms, that's why we built it darnit!
Now that I have put in a shameless business plug, I end my post.
Oh, wait, one last thing, sleeping in the streets.
Every time Viv "rests" At a temple or against the wall of a building, she is probably sitting down, relaxing, reflecting, and refreshing herself. Not every rest is sleep. We are not all narcaleptic.
And chaning in public, I spent alot of time making Viv's armor and walking/resting clothes match up, and next time I get a "Hey! No changing in the street" comment, I'mma imagine kicking them.
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Elven ranger walk? Why? He grew up running. He is not sprinting, he is only stepping it out.
*runs off to the bank to pickup some coins so he can run to the merchants to pick up some supplies before he runs to the craft house to run between the benches*
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Oh...I forgot to answer your question:
Do you, the real you, run everywhere that you go? I'd be surprised if anyone can answer this truthfully with a "yes". [/i]
No, I am fat and lazy. That is why my character does. He is a lean elven ranger that has a lot of world to explore.
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hehe!!! Em has to run to keep up with you!
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I cant help but notice that most of these posts start with something along the lines of "everyone runs everywhere."
Which is an overgeneralization no matter what the verb in question is.
Most people walk in hlint most of the time.
More people walk in hlint during high traffic hours (afternoon/evening US)
More people run in hlint during low traffic hours (like now, late night/early morning US)
When there are many RP opportunities people will act more in character.
When there are fewer they will concentrate more on goals like crafting or something.
I think its also because theres fewer people to see you. Like, if you're going through hlint when theres tons of people on, and you run through, theres a lot of people that might think "icky, hes running through hlint." While at night when theres fewer people, I have even been known to run through hlint (especially the east side) for no reason other than, theres not likely to be anyone to view the fact that I'm walking, no one to ignore by the fact that I'm running, and no one there that I would rather approach in a more appropriate rp fashion.
Walking when you can run is RP. It is a choice made to favor realism, despite the convenience of running. I rarely walk when I'm alone for the same reason I rarely emote my actions alone; Role playing with myself isnt the height of RP, its about the interactions between characters.
Note: Like cole, I do occasionally have one sided conversations with the hosteses when no ones around... I'm not sure why... its amusing sometimes and it feels weird just walking by them when they go "Talan Va'lash!!!"
-TV
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honestly i think the biggest reason people run everywhere is because running is easier since it's the defaut, to walk you either have to set a keyboard hotkey, turn on detect mode (which there isn't one if your an elf) or hold shift, to run you just have to click somewhere, and because of that most people run because it's the default
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I personally love to walk while I'm in game. I hotkeyed mine to the letter F.. and use ASD to Strafe/Walk Backward.
W is Run for when I would get into a Sticky Situation. It's an easy and economical change, unlike having mapped P to walk, what good would that do?
;)
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I've never been hardcore about running because it is default and because people want to play the game, not watch their screen waiting for the game to finally arrive. There is still a large amount of travel time/downtime even with the modest size of the areas between towns. I don't consider it to break the feel because the fact that its a game is inescapable. We play it *because* its not real. In the not real world our characters have enough stamina to run 24/7 as long as they packed their bag economically.
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PsychicToaster - 8/22/2005 6:14 AM
I've never been hardcore about running because it is default and because people want to play the game, not watch their screen waiting for the game to finally arrive. There is still a large amount of travel time/downtime even with the modest size of the areas between towns. I don't consider it to break the feel because the fact that its a game is inescapable. We play it *because* its not real. In the not real world our characters have enough stamina to run 24/7 as long as they packed their bag economically.
heh thank you for pointing that last part out, i do love how a lot of people complain about the running and completly ignore the shear amount of space that peoples backpacks hold, imagine if you will the size of this backpack that is capable of holding 30 polearms comfortably, now imagine this same backpack on a halfling too small to even weild 1 of those 30 polearms......
so who wants to start complaining that people should be using only 1/6th of their backpack, if that?
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I'll Jump on it, with 12 Str. I can hold 100 lbs. Which Uhm.. In real life. I have about 12 Str. and can hold it on my back for about 30 minutes before I just want to cut it open, dump out the belongings and hide it all somewhere.
;)
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Only a few things to say on this subject and if it sounds mean, I appologise it's probably because I've heard enough people bring up this subject.
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- "My point is, I find it frustrating, on what is supposedly a high-RP world, that everyone runs everywhere." Besides running, what would indicate that this is not a high-RP world? (Serious curiosity)
- When people aren't around I run.
- When I'm in a hurry, I run.
- When I have an immense distance to cover (Pranzis to Firesteep) I run.
- When I just flat out don't feel like walking, I run. (I am however courtious enough to walk when I find it appropriate. Such as through places where PCs are gathered, on Quests, and when in a serious RP situation.
- This is a fantasy world, and not all things need to be taken literally. If they were (as was pointed out once before) shooting off fireballs in small corridors would result in not a spherical explosion of fire, but a stream of fire shooting down the hallway in both directions frying not only the caster but more likely than not, his meat sheilds.
- (Beware Snottyness) Also, no one has any idea when I run and when I walk. When I've been sitting, resting, or fighting. If I've just rested and I need to make it to a quest, I'll run straight through town. No one need assume that I've been running for several areas, go ahead and just think that I'm in a hurry. Perhaps I'll walk when I'm alone but run when I'm with people... why? Well perhaps I have more of an RP reason to at the time.
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(As for the question "does the real you run everywhere you go?" No, but I darn well try thank you.)
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Well spoken Zerovega!
Most other arguments for and against running can still be found Here (http://www.layonaraonline.com/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=13856&start=1).
Rolf
Happily running since the last post!
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Strength isn't tied as much to size as it should be (me thinks). Try wearing a 40 pound body armor vest, a kevlar helmet, carrying 3 frag grenades, one M-4, 16 magazines of rounds, small med kit, three radios, a map, a compass, binos, a canteen of water, two knives, a leatherman, and then being told to carry an AT 4 and a 12 Gauge shotgun, all while on no sleep and in 120 degree weather.
It drains you very fast!
Yes, I agree, the ecumber rates/consequences could use an overhaul. You can still run with all the gear that I just mentioned... especially when mortars are going off nearby and RPGs and small arms fire is going on around you... but when you get to where you were sprinting to (some form of cover/concealment) you are sucking wind and need a minute.
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Stempest - 8/21/2005 2:05 AM
Answer me this:
Do you, the real you, run everywhere that you go? I'd be surprised if anyone can answer this truthfully with a "yes".
That used to be my preferred method of movement, but at one point I learned that it was socially unacceptable especially with company, so I stopped. Then I grew older and got lazy.
Still, when I walk alone I find I move about 20-30% faster than most people, because I get impatient at how slow they move. I'd love a fast-walk option in NWN. Or of course I could just play a monk (which I am now.)
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I usually do alot of running around, covering large distances and meeting people.
I run also when I am in a party, like in Seilwood forest. But in Hlint, I used to walk, but now run - but trying to get back into walking.
Just I like running because it's quicker, and everyone wants speed these days. Like on NWN online, you never saw anyone walking - Unless they were encumbered.
And in RL, I do run to college if I am late. :) Well half way...
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What the...
I don't have much time to play this game, between real life concerns. I'll run, rather than get hung up over walking and accomplishing half as much as I would otherwise.
But yeah, it's all been said.
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Running is a disease...
If one person starts running, everyone else will do it too (or be left alone). ;)
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eddiecoyote - 8/30/2005 6:07 PM
Try wearing a 40 pound body armor vest, a kevlar helmet, carrying 3 frag grenades, one M-4, 16 magazines of rounds, small med kit, three radios, a map, a compass, binos, a canteen of water, two knives, a leatherman, and then being told to carry an AT 4 and a 12 Gauge shotgun, all while on no sleep and in 120 degree weather.
Aye, Xmas Shopping at Walmart.
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To reply to the very first post..... yes, I, in REAL LIFE, do actually run (well, technically, jog) from place to place. Unless I actually want to absorb the sights, I don't have time to waste walking. So I jog. Oddly enough, I think Cole (my character) walks more than I do. Luckily, since he's not an elf, mechanically, I can set him to 'detect mode' which forces him to walk as long as he's in it, and he kicks out of the mode as soon as he attacks. Poor elves are on auto detect and half to use the shift-click method unless they've figured out some other ingenious method to walk without holding down a button.
Of course, maybe I'm the exception to the rule... any other 'joggers' out there?
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More like a runner. Sort of a habit now after track. I need to go somewhere quickly, I run. Unless I am carrying too much, in which case I walk.
For the most part, my characters walk when other people are around. Makes more sense. He runs when tryingget somewhere fast IC or when no one else is around. Although there was the one case where he ran because he wanted a work out. *shrugs* And yeah, detect mode is a blessing and elves are annoying to play because they don't have it.
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just to note, if your elf tends to wear metal armors and is not a rogue or anything and you wish to walk, you can pretty safly turn on stelth mode as the heavy armor will hurt your hide skill enough that you wont hide from anyone successfully, of course this doesn't tend to work if your character is an elvish rogue or other class that tends to add points to hide/MS
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Most people's Hide/MS aren't high enough, even without armor, to be hidden when five feet from another character, in broad daylight.
So Stealth works as well as Detect.
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I coded my letter "Z" for walk mode so I dont have to use detect or hide/ms mode unless needed
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Personally I prefere to walk in town because otherwise I feel silly, yes I even feel silly if I run in a game I have too many issues. lol
Oh and I egnore all those who I consider powergamers. My definition of powergamers extends to people who run all the time, never close doors, do not carry clothes instead of wearing that same piece of armor so they can have an extra few minutes incase they get attacked, and those who dont take of helmets when they walk inside houses, or have weapons drawn constantly even on roads they know perfectly wel have no spawns on them.
That or I will constantly grill your charecter in game about there behavior :)
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I thought of a way to make people walk in towns...
a giant cataclysm comes from the heavens, making every town a swamp.
sounds pleasant, huh? BUT everyone would be walking!!!
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...but... I run 'in town' in real life... so, what's so off about chracters in a game running in town? I jog through the mall, for heavens sake... maybe I'm just always in a hurry... that is, always late... =P
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could you smart guys please list different options for NOT running..
I really do not know how to Not do that, unless I encumber myself.
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eL-ran/myrtussa
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myrtussa - 2/1/2006 10:15 AM
could you smart guys please list different options for NOT running..
I really do not know how to Not do that, unless I encumber myself.
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eL-ran/myrtussa
To walk I normally turn on detect mode, or hold down shift, whatever is most convenient at the time. :)
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Meizter - 2/1/2006 4:00 AM
myrtussa - 2/1/2006 10:15 AM
could you smart guys please list different options for NOT running..
I really do not know how to Not do that, unless I encumber myself.
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eL-ran/myrtussa
To walk I normally turn on detect mode, or hold down shift, whatever is most convenient at the time. :)
although if your an elf this is not an option, though most cleric or fighter types you could just turn on stealth mode and everyone will see you just fine, due to your low hide/MS skills, or, you can go to the game options and map a walk key, i currently have the "Y" key on my keyboard marked to walk forward, and the final option is to hold shift and click somewhere
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Actually you don't want everyone that is in town stuck in a walking mode. For instance . .lets say . . . Demons attack within the town. How fast would you like others to come give you a hand? Just a thought.
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I run, but then again, there's a lot of times where I seem to warp (mosly backwards). Hell, I've warped to the wrong end of a map while everybody else appeared on the appropriate side of the map (entering Fort Hope...I was already at the other end). That was odd. Worse yet, I left Hlint to go to Haven but appeared somewhere in Sielwood once. So, the way I figure it, when I'm running, I'm actually walking as the system is making corrections for me. :p
Strange...go from the outskirts of Port Hamshire, east, and feel your mind be boggled when you appear in the Blood Desert. That's a hell of a portal. Obviously, I'm just being silly pointing out this huge gap within the continent but it's also silly trying to tell people to walk. In the end it's a game and people should feel free to roleplay but, as well, get somewhere, to do their roleplaying.
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That "warping" is server lag.
Server lag happens.
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My point is, I find it frustrating, on what is supposedly a high-RP world, that everyone runs everywhere.
DUDE!! Just take one freaking look at all the background info on the forums, in Lore and in the Players handbook then have a cold glass of water, get over yourself and like take a chill pill or something! I mean really. People who are in a hurry run, EVEN in RL. So umless Orth or someone makes a 'Power walk" animation or makes town walk only I for one will run if I feel like it tyvm :P
P.s Big Arnie and the gang Ran everywhere in Conan the Destroyer just to throw that out there like lol.
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Stempest - 8/21/2005 12:05 AM
Chill.
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Can I add, Run jump skip hop fly whats the difarance in RP.
Houses dont canter, gaints move as fast as brownis, its the code and thats all.
A portel is a click away, I think it makes no difarance if you run to RP.
We all go around with tons for kit and 1000s of gold coins you should ask
"why do we move at all?."
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NEXUS7 - 3/8/2006 8:53 PM
Can I add, Run jump skip hop fly whats the difarance in RP.
Houses dont canter, gaints move as fast as brownis, its the code and thats all.
A portel is a click away, I think it makes no difarance if you run to RP.
We all go around with tons for kit and 1000s of gold coins you should ask
"why do we move at all?."
Ahmen.
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All this said, some people talk about mapping characters to the walk and run actions...I haven't figured out how to do that, can someone tell me how you do these mappings?
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On yer quick slot or threw a hot key, Stranzini?
Personally both my PC enjoy a great deal running over PCs that think the middle of the road is an ideal place to have a chat, especialy when riding my horse heh heh.
Roads whether in towns or out are to go from A to B not chat in the middle of.
Apart from that if I'm running I have a good reason to do so, Stempest, so before saying it isn't RP to do so, well be sure ;)
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er, anything but i had gathered from others remarks that one could map regular keys on the keyboard...
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Stranzini, it's easy.
Options -> Controls -> button at the top (I forgot it's name)
In there you have all the keyboard shortcuts, just remap them to your heart's wish.
I remapped them to my Counter-Strike keys (W runs, S walks, X walks backwards).
About the keyboard, you know one thing that ticks me off with NWN? Lack of support for compound keys (Ctrl-F1, for example), extended keyboards and mice. I have 24 F-keys on my keyboard (standard 12 plus 12 "MS Office" keys that I remapped to F13 - F24) and, no matter how much Windows accepts that I DO have 24 F-keys, NWN does not recognize them.
The same goes for mice, I just got my Copperhead and I have four extra buttons to play with yet I had to create a make keyboard macro to get the job done.
Hopefully NWN 2 will have support for all of this.
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yet all those fkey slots aren't enough for me :P
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Why not give us Ctrl+Shift+F1? @.@ That one extra quickslot bar would make my life so much easier.
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Because Bioware have no time to implement it? :)
Heh... What I would like is to have an extra bar for the numbers keys too (i.e. 5, Ctrl+5, Shift+5, etc).