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The Layonara Community => General Discussion => Topic started by: Varka on September 13, 2005, 11:36:00 PM
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Yep. Suddenly there are more orcs on Mistone than before. Hehe…
I would like to have some feedback on the following:
First question:
Timeline:
As all “new orcs” are doing/having/making more quests. How shall we deal with being orcs?
Here is my example:
As I joined Viggs CDQ before becoming an orc (and Varka is still running around in Underdark with Vigg), I hope that I can play Varka the dwarf on that part.
Further:
12th. The dwarven meeting (Player event) where the PC’s planned for the future.
13th Varka became an orc.
The challenge:
On the 25th I have my CDQ (GM event) where Varka afterwards will head for the second dwarven meeting (Player event) to report back.
Now… I see two possibilities.
1. Either Varka has become an orc before the CDQ has begun (due to the “timelime”). Which I will have to deal with.
2. Or Varka has become an orc after the CDQ and Dwarven meeting.
Because changing into an orc while moving directly from Bloody Gate to Haven does not really fit.
Unlees Varka turns into an orc during full moon ;)
So the consequences:
Either I will take the full consequence of changing into an orc. Which will have an influence on my CDQ or... ??????
Just making it half orc and half dwarf doesn’t seem logical in my opinion due to the timeline. Just because one part is my CDQ and another is not.
Second question:
What about: Items, gold, crafting, crating xp and xp from other quests?
Third question:
I believe there are some who wishes to have a key to their house again.
Fourth question:
As Layo was “booted” a few times I made 2-3 new accounts. Can I get them deleted and make a new orc?
Fifth question:
Yesterday I couldn’t make my orc into a battlerager. Is it restricted to dwarfs?
If battlerager is restricted, can I make an orc which is barbarian/fighter?
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*grins*
Don't say I didnt warn you all when we discussed it.
No I have had similar worries so suggestions please.
Rolf
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You're all orcs?! :o Too bad I can't make any of those orc quests... would've been a priceless sight :)
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Well...
I think that we will have to RP that we are orcs all the time after we where turned intto orcs, that was what we agreed upon democraticly.
With respect to other quest, if they started before we where turned into orcs then we stay as our normal selves, if they start after we stay as orcs. Unless it is CDQ's for our own character. with respect to dwarf meetings I suggest you just try to go an convince the dwarfs that you are one of them....
2. Well i think that most of us can without crating for now, but as i see it the combat exp we get has to be transfered to our normal selves, so we all have to make a note of how much exp. we had when we started as orcs.
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Fenrir - You should have seen us when enter Hlint yesterday...that was something.
Damn..didnt make any print screens of it.
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Pretty much what Harloff said.
If you need additional equipment, some gold or house keys from your "real" characters, PM me and I will drop in either tonight or tomorrow to handle the exchange.
Harlas
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Meizter made some screen shots of it, he told me he had one where we have trapped Arcacea on the platform.
-Harloff
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Yeah...and she scampered down the post and fell again. That halfling can't roll dex to save her life.
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hehe indeed, I have some nice screenshots of the orc mob entering Hlint, I'll post them later this week.
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plz answer my 4. and 5. question Harlas.
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5) battleragers are restricted to dwarfs according to the description...
-Harloff
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Fourth question:
As Layo was “booted” a few times I made 2-3 new accounts. Can I get them deleted and make a new orc?
-> Your accounts can get deleted. Just post in the thread: http://www.layonaraonline.com/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=14715&posts=2. Post the account name, and the name of the character you want to have deleted.
Fifth question:
Yesterday I couldn’t make my orc into a battlerager. Is it restricted to dwarfs?
If battlerager is restricted, can I make an orc which is barbarian/fighter?
-> Yes, we will make Varka a barbarian/fighter instead.
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mmm....
....some interesting meetings coming up...it is going to take some convincing to make people belief that this orc is Jacchri....
.....any ideas how I can convince Achane, my bear companion, not to attack me when I call him, he is not convinced that it is me...
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aragwen - 9/14/2005 10:28 AM mmm....
....some interesting meetings coming up...it is going to take some convincing to make people belief that this orc is Jacchri....
Good luck with that! hehe. Whose going to believe that story before getting your orcish skull cleaved :)
.....any ideas how I can convince Achane, my bear companion, not to attack me when I call him, he is not convinced that it is me...
Don't call him?
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[INDENT][INDENT].....any ideas how I can convince Achane, my bear companion, not to attack me when I call him, he is not convinced that it is me...
[/INDENT]Don't call him?
[/INDENT] That is what I was thinking as well......but perhaps....some trout will convince him....otherwise I will just have to find a goblin to be my slave....ooops companion
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Hey...another question
Can I also have a dwarven ear?
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*nods* The characters of other race than human can get their race ear.
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I find myself (orc self) changing in totally unexpected ways. This experience will certainly bring changes to the human Ayla.
Having convinced all my RL relatives that I'm illiterate, I set up Ayla as an ordinary girl who wouldn't need to write a journal. And at the rate I'm going, I figure she will be truly dead long before needing an ECDQ.
However, being an orc is a life-changing experience in every sense of the word, and I have no idea where this life-change is going to take me. I'm really quite excited about it. So, I think I must start a journal. *sigh*
Congratulations and kudos, Harlas, on a great and truly imaginative quest! I can't wait to see what happens next.
Serissa
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As tempting as it was to join the group in the circle and become an orc, I couldn't justify having Xiao Lin do that. As a monk, he holds firm to the belief that the body, mind and spirit are intimately intertwined, and so was extremely resistant to the idea of changing once Algaron explained that the change was not an illusion, but that each person was actually changed into an orc. That, and the fact that he made absolutely no assurances anyone would or could be changed back, was enough to keep Xiao out of the circle. As a player, I was happy to see that Xiao's concerns were justified, as other characters' minds were becoming more orcish as the quest went on.
It was kind of fun trying to be the voice of reason, though, as the orcs went on their bloodthirsty killing spree, then to have them all talk about him in orcish. I was having serious questions in my mind about whether Harlas would allow PK in this case, and was thankful that I would likely be able to outrun the mob, should they turn on me.
This is one of the most imaginative quests I have been on in a long time, and look forward to next week's installment. Keep up the good work, Harlas!
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First off - I want to thank you, Harlas, for a superb quest. And it’s very creative to have an element (the transformations) that tangibly affects us outside of the quest itself!
I confess my first reaction to the change was a bit negative. As a player, and through Ael, in-character, I understood the change to be a potent disguise that would enable us to infiltrate the orc horde +right away+. We would go in to gather more information and/or kill the leaders - and be back out shortly - back to our normal selves.
But I have come to welcome this as a great opportunity not only for very realistic roleplay, but also to more thoroughly develop Ael - even “getting to know him” better.
So now Ael finds himself adapting to something he did not expect would happen to him - being stuck in orc form. He has to change plans (some of them major), change his approach to fighting, struggle with trying to express himself as an orc, etc... He is having to adapt to an unexpected major circumstance - which is something that eventually happens to all of us in RL! :-)
And as Serissa wrote about Ayla, this will be a +very+ transformative experience for Ael.
So I’ll share some of the notes I have made about Ael’s perspective on this. Ael, too, has perceived the continuity of mind and body, yet would not go so far as to say the former are intimately intertwined with that which he perceives to be his spirit. Now as I developed in his background, Ael has been meditating for some eighty years prior to coming to Hlint to begin his career as a warrior monk. From his many years of meditation work, he has come to view that which many call “the self” (i.e., myself) as nonexistent. He views thoughts, feeling, sensations, preferences, physical elements (hands, feet, etc) all as constantly changing processes cascading in front of a consciousness, none of which he identifies with. They are just there. He is free to choose what to cultivate and develop, and what to ignore, letting the latter spin off into nothingness.
So it was immaterial to him whether he assumed the form of an orc or continued on as a drow. These are just variations in the flavor of existence. Yet principles are crucial for Ael. And the principle of maintaining the security of Mistone (and end) justified assuming the form of an orc to go kill the leaders of a horde threatening Mistone (a means). So once again, the end justifies the means, at least for Ael.
Yet one way or another, Ael will find a way to return to his original drow form, as it provides, at least in his opinion, a more efficient means for obtaining certain ends he has identified as worthwhile.
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Bil be keeping eye on yous yes he is
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We be keeping eyes on Bil - Bil make fine cook and cleaner!
*grins*
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Thank you for your constructive comments and views... and for the kind words. ;)
But a quest, or series for that matter, is only as good as its participants/players. So keep up the good work! I have enjoyed watching you yesterday after the quest, and tonight as well. You seem to adapt rather quickly into your new selves. :) I am looking forward to seeing where this goes...
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Lol - while looking over a printout of the above-listed "Ael's perspective" entry a moment ago, I caught a typo - as if it wasn't confusing enough, already. :P
And it's past the 30-minute editing deadline. So the fourth sentence of the next-to-last paragraph should read, in part: "And the principle of maintaining the security of Mistone (an end)...." The typo was "and" where I meant "an". Everything else in that sentence was fine.
My subsequent use of "ends/means" language probably cleared it up, but now I feel better.
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This is where Ael and I differ. In my ((Xiao's)) view, the body and mind are nothing without the spirit, save for a pile of flesh. The spirit is what permeates every cell, and gives it life. Further, the spirit IS affected by the body and the mind. After all, what is the point of existing in this form if the spirit is unchangeable? The spirit DOES grow, through tactile experience. Just because the changes are not as tangible as battle scars might be on the body, the spirit is just as affected by the consequences of physical interactions in this world as the body is by the spirit; make no mistake.
Truly, the signs of the mind being affected by the bodies of these orcs have already shown themselves. Can the spirit be impervious to the effects of an overwhelming and bloodthirsty desire to kill everything it can? Do not delude yourselves. This will affect you orcs more profoundly than you might imagine.
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Well - first of all, Chrys, I +really+ enjoyed meeting you, as Xiao, in-game, with me as Ael. And moreover, Ael really appreciated and was honored by the way Xiao introduced himself. And he did say this, something to the effect that “I noticed your prowess....I am honored to fight at your side.” And Xiao offered to meet with Ael sometime soon to discuss The Way, to which Ael replied that he was looking forward to it.
We have set ourselves up for some really nice roleplay, here. Moreover, Xiao is a senior to Ael - so without getting more specific, there is a possibility for a mentor-student relationship arising.
And I look forward to exploring the concepts you have mentioned in your most recent post with you in-character as part of an on-going discussion between Xiao and Ael. In fact, I would +rather+ explore this stuff in-character. Lol - and since it seems you are as much into exploring these questions with Xiao as I am with Ael...this could make for some +very long+ discussions. Hahaha.
Just to set the record straight, from my perspective as a player, Xiao introduced himself to Ael briefly in the swamp before they entered the Wizard's tower. Xiao did what Xiao did and said what he said before the group stepped into the transformation circle +and+ before the gates of Karthy, when Xiao was admonishing the group of "newbie orcs". Both times, Ael did not respond to Xiao: he neither openly agreed nor disagreed with what Xiao said. Yet he did take part in the orcish language discussion about whether they should kill and eat Xiao. :P
Though Xiao doesn't know entirely (if at all) what was said, Xiao did note that the orcs were acting very bloodthirsty, as they ran off in a frenzy to slaughter more trolls. Note that I was rp'ing Ael as already struggling with the "orc self", and he did +not+ go off on the rampage. But did Xiao know that the orc standing over to the side trembling and occasionally cursing was Ael? Ael did not say anything to that effect.
So what, if anything, will Xiao do with respect to this group of individuals who has been transformed into orcs? To what extent does he care about their well being and the effects of the transformation? I mean, these are some pretty powerful individuals who may get changed for the worse (two of them were drow, to begin with). Looking forward to seeing it. :-)
Allright. Well I am not going to say alot more; I'm sharing some of my notes as a point of departure - we need to do as much of this as we can in-game. ;-)