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The Layonara Community => General Discussion => Topic started by: Bryantiza on October 05, 2005, 03:18:00 PM
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I've had a dim dobly dongly noth with people saying //don't use the bad language or //don't swear everytime i say ass.
Now I don't know if its something with those friggin americans out there but in england 'ass' is used in these ways:
1- to describe a close relative of the common horse.
2- to call someone an ass means a vain, self-important, silly, or aggressively stupid person.
3- to fall on ones ass. (also known as buttocks, nates, arse, butt, backside, bum, buns, can, fundament, hindquarters, hind end, prat, rear, rear end, rump, stern, seat, tail, tail end, tooshie, tush, bottom, behind, derriere, fanny)
(now if someone to say fanny in game, I would consider that inapropriate use of language as it is another word for a womans privates)
So please. STOP with the don't swear, don't use inaproriate language. It is not a swearing word. I use it in the ways it should be used.
You take it as a swear word due to the common phrase we all know as 'a*****e'
Thank you for your time.
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Words do in fact have different meanings depending on where your from.
I've stuck with adivce I was given by a DM long ago.... treat the server like a PG-13 movie or even a PG movie.
I have seen my share of cursing in game but it happens when every one knows everyone.
Keep in mind we have players out their I beleive as young as 10.
G-452
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Har, misread part of that.Edited. But in any case it's not really you who gets to decide what is or is not appropriate. If Leanthar posted and said "No." that would be that, whether or not anyone feels it is a real "swear" or not.
I personally don't care.
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but they know the words have bad meanings BECAUSE there parents and people around them use it and call each other it all the time. If they were at all educated they would know the actual meanings to these words, and seeing as I don't use swear words, only ass which isn't even a swear word, they shouldn't have anything to worry about should they?
I'm only 16, but when i'm happy, i say , yes i'm feeling rather gay today. Its just that people are brought up not to know what the words actually mean and rather take words with different meanings.
I do use the odd word how they should be, but due to todays slang and whatnot, you can't even say a simple sentence with getting a reply of 'what did you just call my momma!? or 'Time for a knuckle sandwhich!'
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Well, essentially what it boils down to is the lowest common denominator, within reason. If someone is, within reason, offended by a word you use, don't say it. It has near to nothing to do with how you feel about the word. Things are different everywhere you go... I was hitch-hiking in a foreign country once (southern hemisphere) and, standing by the road with my thumb up I found out the hard way was akin to flipping them the bird where I come from, so... although my thumbs up to ME was a perfectly acceptable gesture, to the little old lady who spit at me, it definately was not.
And basically, whether I think the word is bad or not, if you've been asked politely not to than please dont. It shouldn't be up to the GM team to have to compile a list of acceptable terms, use arse instead.
*remark removed*
Vyris
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In America, and more specifically to me, it is a swear word and one that does not need to be used. So I will indeed ask you again to not use the word.
Vyris, "....Now, I'm going to go gather a faggot to burn, play nice now...." That was uncalled for, please do not use that type of phrase again.
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I was just referring to the elder term for a bundle of sticks, which I just got back from getting from the woodshed, but I'll edit it out, probably could have made my point differently.
Vyris
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so your saying that on Layonara. We MUST speak american english and not the true english.
i.e. colour must be spelt color. centre must be spelt center. Fanny, although offensive to me is allowed because your speaking in american english.
I'll go buy myself an american to english dictionary then. since although the same language, the american way sure is weird.
(also you said 'so i'll ask you again' but unless i missed it i don't remember you telling me not to use it other than that time?)
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I don't think you really need to be personally offended... It really doesn't seem like a huge concession. If you want to start things on principle, maybe it should be one worth the time?
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I'll let it go...
also, what exactly does it mean in america?
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yes ... considering the servers are based in California, and the world was created by Americans. Just as if I were playing on a server based in Germany, I would expect to find people speaking German, if you are playing a game based in America, assume it will by primarily in American English ...
I know this sounds rude, but it actually makes sense. If we don't make some standard, then we will end up with people running around speaking all sorts of languages, and that will make things difficult. As for the rule on cussing, well, I would say anything you wouldn't say on camera for a local news station, I wouldn't say here.
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Bryantiza - 10/5/2005 6:59 PMso your saying that on Layonara. We MUST speak american english and not the true english.i.e. colour must be spelt color. centre must be spelt center. Fanny, although offensive to me is allowed because your speaking in american english.I'll go buy myself an american to english dictionary then. since although the same language, the american way sure is weird.
True English? Does that even exist any more? There are so many dialects that though you speak English in Canada, US, Australia, New Zealand, UK and many other places yet I've never had an easy time understanding the immense amount of slang used in each region. Even the simple differences between Newfoundland and Ontario are so much that I can barely understand what they're saying... however... if you say "washroom", "restaurant", "elevator", "appartment" or any other commonly understood word everything is allright. Also, while the word "ass" may be an actual word with it's original meaning being "clean" it is still on the list of curse words. We need to keep this world clean (unlike the real world we can directly effect change within Layonara) so please refrain from the use of any language and any word that is considered a "foul" or "curse" word even when the context implies alternate meanings. So the language rule in place for Layonara should not be considered a hard line rule on region based language preference but instead what is required is the use of "Commonly used and clean English".
- to describe a close relative of the common horse
- Donkey. Mule.
- to call someone an ass means a vain, self-important, silly, or aggressively stupid person
- "You're such a commoner, grow up."
- to fall on ones ass
- IMHO (Leanthar, please correct me if I'm wrong) "bum" or "backside" are perfectly suitable "Common English" phrases that get the point across.
[/list]Thank you for your time.
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i knew this lady once that played here, she told me she was "going to smoke a fag" i was like... oh my god... what the heck? i thought she said she was going to shot a gay person... lol turns out she like to smoke cigirets. hehe. Now... we have english, and then we have American. American is not english, even though most of us here havent figured that out yet, it is close and can be nearly traslated the same... but it is a different language, SO just becouse you can understand most of the words, dont be offended so fast by words that seam out of place.
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Bryantiza - 10/5/2005 4:06 PM
I'll let it go...
also, what exactly does it mean in america?
In America it means essentially what you outlined, the difference is in America it has more derogatory undertones. To quote back at you your own example. You pointed out that Fanny is more of a cuss to you than the other word. Well in America you could say it is the other way around. Fanny is a more polite way of referring to your backside and the other is much ruder.
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please, point me towards where these forbidden words are situated and i will be sure to refrain from using them, but I have never even known there was a list.
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Its a fairly common and rude remark about a person or body part. It's never nice or appropriot, if it were on a scale of 1 to 10 with 1 being polite, it would rank a good 5 or 6 with the four letter words being 11's. And I fully agree with L and Vyris. Using Arse is a much more appropriot term when dealing with people you don't know.
*later* oh good grief I'm the slowest poster in the world. now everyone has had their say.
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hmm I see.
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Oh one last thing... I don't think speeelng matterrs to poelpe in-game. ;)
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HEY! I resemble that remark!
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There isn't really a list. We rely upon common sense and the community to help keep the clean nature of the world.
However, I will consult Leanthar in private and we may post a list of the "best known bad words".
Please do not take anything I've said here as personal attacks or anything of the like.
I'm simply empassioned by this world and sometimes get vocal on touchy issues like this one.
:)
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i find is strange though that using Arse... to mean the exact thing... is that not just using 1=X for 1=Y? Same thing... just... idk yes yes lets just use Arse!
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what is "idk?"
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"...IMHO (Leanthar, please correct me if I'm wrong) "bum" or "backside" are perfectly suitable "Common English" phrases that get the point across...."
Yep, that would be correct OneST8.
I hate getting in to this silly sort of thing so I am stepping out now, I said what I needed to say already.
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idk = i dont know
come on L be silly with us!
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i used arse the first time few times. I got more '//please refrain from using bad language' using that than i did from *cough cough*
I give up on this.
Theres no winning, too many americans play Layonara plus the servers are situated there.
After checking up the internet, i only just found out that 'through' is spelt 'thru' in american, and all this time i thought Trysk was just plain lazy.
I'll just use buttocks from now on. i swear if someone gets annoy with that ..i'll follow Zeos and go insane!
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through is through here.... ahhaha, where did you read thru? lol ARSE is fine ARSE ARse Arse ArSe aRsE!
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Huh ... no ... I am American and I spell through ...
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This is where i read it:
http://www.scit.wlv.ac.uk/~jphb/american.html
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Lol... thru... it might be used as thru. such as on a sign Not a Thru. street but i dont think so even then.
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American usage is obsolescent but may still be seen on road signs etc
Didn't read far. :) It means it's not ...widely used. Obsolete. Whatever.
But seriously. Whole thing's kind of ridiculous. I'm going to creep away from this thread and pretend it's not here.
Edit for the post below- Several people may use "thru" as just a shortform, like saying "nite" instead of night, or something. I don't think it's a matter of where you're from.
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Where is Trysk (forum name Thak) from then? since he only ever uses thru (Don't worry, scratch that, going off subject)
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I think i'll join you.
*weird buzzing noise*
What thread? I don't know any thread about language?
nope.
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Actually "through" is abbreviated "thru" but that is not necessarily an official, correct spelling. And then there's Ozy's unofficial, unsanctioned abbreviation of "though" into "thou"....;)
I think the best thing to do is to use your common sense here. Context is key, and if in the context there are two alternatives, one with less of a negative or obscene connotation, then go with that one.
There are some words that should be blindingly obvious. Others...like the one that started the thread, are a bit more ambiguous.
And this isn't a matter of being required to speak "American" english or "True English" or whatever...As OneST8 pointed out, there are just too many dialects and variations on the language for any one version to be the authoritative gold standard. Seriously, just don't take this all so personally. If someone has a problem with your use of the word "ass" and tells you so, then just be respectful and try and avoid that word in the future around that character/player. While meaning essentially the same thing, "arse" (also "bum", even "backside") has a certain color and style that the other word lacks.
So yeah...use your judgement, but also consider that someone's child could be looking over their shoulder when you decide to slip a borderline obscenity into your RP. I think that's the point, really....to try and keep it clean.
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ambiguous is a bad word where im from... AHHHH STOP BEING RUDE!!!!
"context there are two alternatives, one with less of a negative or obscene connotation"
And so is that hole line.. all bad bad words!
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Bryantiza - 10/5/2005 6:39 PM This is where i read it: http://www.scit.wlv.ac.uk/~jphb/american.html
Interesting...though not entirely accurate, nor comprehensive.
I found many instances in that list which were inaccurate or incomplete...like:
alligator pear (American/Canadian) = avacado (British) (er...we call them avacados too)
outlet (A/C) = socket (B) (as in electrical outlet...yeah, we use both)
...and so on....
So don't get your knickers in a bunch about whether or not you're using the exact right American English term, because really, we don't all care that much. Go ahead and spell honor with a "u"...I think it looks neat.
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LoganGrimnar - 10/5/2005 6:55 PM ambiguous is a bad word where im from... AHHHH STOP BEING RUDE!!!! "context there are two alternatives, one with less of a negative or obscene connotation" And so is that hole line.. all bad bad words!
*chuckles at LoganGrimnar*
Thanks for helping ;)
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Edit: excuse me... got a little excited... im very... very... board, and im currently jumping back and forth between these fourms and myspace.
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It always amazes me that most of the spelling errors on this forum are from Americans :P. Please, don't call me pedantic (if you even know the meaning), but I just think that it contributes to the overall quality of the forum if people type plain english.
Seriously, I speak english, but sometimes I really don't know what people talk about.
EDIT: Maybe not on topic, but I kind of got confused about the exact topic of this thread.
And concerning the language on the server. I think we're trying to achieve a setting of a world that resembles the middleages concerning culture. So I would definately avoid 'slang' on the server. So if you say: "Yo homey!". You're bad! ;)
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PENDANTIC! WHOOOOO!
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I mean WOOOOOO!
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or rather... WOOOO HOOOO!
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Filatus - 10/5/2005 8:30 PM
It always amazes me that most of the spelling errors on this forum are from Americans :P. Please, don't call me pedantic (if you even know the meaning),
perhaps not pedantic though it may appropriate, but more likely condescending in the thought that we are too stupid to know the meaning of pedantic.
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*points up to Ice's post*
What did Ice say? Can some translate english to...er...umm...english, please?
*walks off scratching head and thinking about taking up Cave man*
Grunt, growl, growl, grunt, huff, stomp! (translates to "My, it is time to log in and play Layonara!")
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actually, Ice, it would be a matter of ignorance on our part, rather than stupidity. and since everyone is ignorant of something, I don't suppose it's so bad that there are 'English' speakers who are not familiar with the word.
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Ignorance or stupidity it was a pretentious comment and I didn't appreciate it.
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ahhh, gotcha.
(and just in case, here's a translation of my slang: oh. I understand you.)
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oh, and can we delete this thread now... or something... because it's dead.... at least, I think it's been beaten around enough.... I could be wrong... DON'T SHOOT ME!.... it was just an opinion... just an opinion.... *twitches*
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through, threw
I have lived in USA for 34 years now and I automatically think thru is not the word to use.
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