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The Layonara Community => General Discussion => Topic started by: PsychicToaster on November 24, 2005, 09:33:00 AM
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So how many Paladins of Rofirein and Aeridin are there out there? I notice quite a few applied for but not many played ;) At least compared to the other orders.
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Paladins are hard to come by, good paladins that is. The Rp involved and the strict guidelines that Paladins must follow usually leads people to go with a fighter with a good alignment then people have more freedom without the strictness a Paladins life demands.
I did see the earlier discussion on Paladins and must say that they do not have to be dumb and stupid rushing into combat evil.
Paladins do what they can to serve the ideals of their god in the best way they know how. To use an example given prior. A paladin seeing a crypt full of ghouls knows that they are a threat and that they need to be dealt with. If no one is in immediate harm he would gather allies to deal with the threat in the best manner possible to see no one gets harmed...but in the event that someone is in trouble in the crypt its not beyond thought that the Paladin knowing that it may mean harm to him would enter to rescue the person then withdraw sealing the ghouls inside then getting aid to finish them off.
In all honesty I think unless the god is fickle they would appreciate the fact that the Paladin, a person chosen for their adherence to the faith, loyalty, honour and virtue, basically the epitome of what the god stands for acts in a way to live long enough to see that the message of the god is brought to as many as possible.
I dont want to blow my own trumpet but this is an example I had happen to me the other day in a quest where I felt I acted correctly as a Paladin.
On a quest with a group on Xantril, most of us way out of our comfort zone, Tarradon was allocated the task of protecting those weaker party members at the back of the group. He knew he stood no chance against many of the creatures we fought but he stood firm to protect those he was meant to protect. When a group of creatures swarmed the big hitters in the party and swept past them Tarradon and another defender tried to hold the wave back from those behind us giving them enough time to escape the onslaught, when the other defender fell there was only Tarradon standing between the monsters and those behind him.
In this instance he could have run and left them to their fate but this is the difference between a Paladin and a fighter. Tarradon knew he could do nothing in this instance but defend as best he could to give the others time to escape. If however he could have say summoned a creature to lead the monsters away so that he could lead those he protected to safety then he would have done that. But there was no choice here in this instance and he had a mission to fulfill and a code to follow so he did the best he could.
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Sorry to drift off topic, but Dezza.. I’m caught in suspense; did Tarradon manage to hold off the onslaught and survive such a heroic stand?
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hehe his last words were and I quote "Move back and get clear I shall hold them as long as I can"
and for my sacrifice I copped a DT hehe what a way to go though!
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i have a paladin of Vorax, though he is not played anymore becouse i dident think i could properly RP him.
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I had something typed out, but it didn't seem right to post it in that way. So I'll keep it short and simple.
There are very few paladins on Layo, but still I think there could be room for improvement. Alignment changes shouldn´t only take place when there is a special CDQ for it. And an alignment change has just as much reason to take place outside a quest as in a quest. I never met Tarradon Duvall for example, but in my time on Layo I only met three other paladin that I felt were properly RP´d.
Off course the alignment change only involves good or evil and lawful or chaotic acts. But I also think playing a paladin is more than just playing an alignment. Being a paladin isn´t just about being lawful. It´s about devoting each and every hour of your live to your god and its goals, if needed off course, I´m sure they get holidays.
EDIT: Definately forgot to mention Storold, protector of the weave.
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We're 0 for 5 for answering the question in the topic ;)
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Maybe because it takes way to much time to search for it.:)
Honestly I looked for it, I saw two requests for switching to paladins or Rorifein in the CDQ thread. But as far as I'm aware they haven't been done yet.
I think most players choose Toran because it's the god of paladins. I'm sure there are almost a handful of paladins of Rorifien around and as far as I know one of Lucinda. And as far as I could see, none for Aeridin. But there are a lot of chars that are played much, heck I've got a druid but I don't get much time for him because playing Daeron requires almost all of my playing time.
Maybe the DEV-team has a list somewhere to keep track?
Stillm, what is the question... total numbers of paladins or PLAYED paladins?
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I was just wondering if anyone had seen active Rofirein or Aeridin paladins lately. It was kinda fun being the only one active before I left but it also has the drawback of no comrades in arms. I'll be back in game next week, so I was just curious.
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In the past day or so, the server has seen the following:
Total Number of Paladins Making an Appearance: 21
Number following Toran: 14
Number following Aeridin: 3
Number following Lucinda: 1
Number following Rofirein: 1
Number not following any deity (humm, this looks odd, but server status shows None as diety): 2
Over a longer period, I'm sure the statistics would change a little. I have no idea how many paladins exist. These are just those that have been played for more than 5 minutes over the past day or so. Draw your own conclusions.
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SquareKnot - 11/24/2005 11:14 PM
Number following Lucinda: 1
The correct number is 3 i belive; Matilda(Only heard of her), Maelker(Normal paladin) and Storold(Chapter of defence)
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There was some other Drow Paladin following Lucinda, though i don't think she's played anymore. That makes 4 Lucindite Paladins.
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I just got a paladin of Aeridin approved, from the first playing session I'd say I will play him for atleast a little while, he seems fun. But I still need to learn a lot, especially after playing Rufus for almost 2 years.
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Ya that switch would take an adjustment. I had to make a huge one with the Toranite I play. Would you believe I've never even played a good character in a PW, let alone a paladin? Nor did I play a paladin in the original campaign. This is my first time playing a paladin and thus I made alot of mistakes creating him *shrugs* but more importantly it took me a while to get his RP down. I still struggle with it sometimes.
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I think the most important thing to remember is that just like any other character, every paladin is unique. There are the boundaries created by their code and their god, but there's no formula.
It's no different than playing a different character. Your character has to justify all their actions to themselves. Rather than saying "Can an LG character do that?" say "Why would this character do that?" I don't think anyone here is incapable of answering the second question, the key is the discipline to abide by the decision regardless of OOC knowledge.
However, as for the actual topic . . .
See! I'm not crazy! There really are staggeringly few. :P
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Elladan is a Paladin of Aeridin and, I have to say, one of the hardest characters to play well I've ever tried!
Maybe not the best choice for my first shot on Layo, but hey *shrugs*
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PsychicToaster - 11/24/2005 6:33 PM So how many Paladins of Rofirein and Aeridin are there out there?
We don't have a way to check I think, unless you want to search the forums for "paladin Rofirein" and "paladin Aeridin" and count. However, I think you can count them on two hands.
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I am a proud Paladin of Aeridin, and I intend to RP Tatchien The Righteous for a loooooong time.
For reason of background and playability (healing characters close to death is always a rewarding experience), Tatchien is now lv. 5 cleric of Aeridin/ lv. 2 Paladin of Aeridin. This transition has been smooth , and I aim for cleric lv. 5/ Paladin lv. 16.
Regarding RP-ing a Paladin, I think the strict codes and vows makes me free, and because most players have a concept of what a paladin is, I’v had many enjoyable RP moments. Tatchien The Righteous also have some character flaws (pride), occasionally creating a giggle.
I am presently awaiting a CDQ with mixafix, where I more than anything want to meet Queen Allurial in the Blackford Castle. I would also like to be given the title and responsibilities of a “Justicier”. Layonara have a complex “Crime & Punishment” system I think all players read when they start, but I have never met anything or anyone giving life to this system. I suggest titles like “Justicier”, “Royal guard”, and even “official seniors”, “judges” etc. could be handed out to good players, on the condition that it can be revoked for no given reason. I would also like to invite Paladins and devotees of Aeridin on my CDQ, provided mixafix is completely OK with this, hoping to tighten the bonds among us protectors and preservers of life.
May the blessings of Aeridin be with you always!
Tatchien The Righteous
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I would also like to be given the title and responsibilities of a “Justicier”.
That's for Toran paladins only...
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So the complex system of Crime & Punishment is reserved for Toran and Rofirein?
Is there anyone actually using, playing, or in any other way giving life to this system?
Could this explain Filatus' observation:
"I think most players choose Toran because it's the god of paladins. I'm sure there are almost a handful of paladins of Rorifien around and as far as I know one of Lucinda. And as far as I could see, none for Aeridin."?
Love & light,
Tatchien
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Espen777 - 11/26/2005 10:09 AM So the complex system of Crime & Punishment is reserved for Toran and Rofirein? Is there anyone actually using, playing, or in any other way giving life to this system?
Yes, my Toranite paladin recently recieved approval to build a courthouse in Pranzis dedicated to all lawful dieties, particularly Toran and Rofirein. The addition is built and the funds just need to be raised. The building would serve as a house for the Justiceers, which one or two have expressed interest in becoming - at least to me.
Edit: PM me if your interested in getting involved with raising funds.
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Espen777 - 11/26/2005 4:09 PM So the complex system of Crime & Punishment is reserved for Toran and Rofirein? Is there anyone actually using, playing, or in any other way giving life to this system? Could this explain Filatus' observation: "I think most players choose Toran because it's the god of paladins. I'm sure there are almost a handful of paladins of Rorifien around and as far as I know one of Lucinda. And as far as I could see, none for Aeridin."? Love & light, Tatchien
If you read the Crime&Punishment section it starts with:
Law on Layonara is primarily governed by a union of Good between the Churches of Toran and Rofirein.
This system is mostly used by GMs, but of course, players can charge others with crimes which will then be handled through GMs.
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EdTheKet - 11/27/2005 12:45 AM
We don't have a way to check I think, unless you want to search the forums for "paladin Rofirein" and "paladin Aeridin" and count. However, I think you can count them on two hands.
[/QUOTE] Considering a Paladin's calling and status this is as it should be, not many people like this exist at any one time!
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once amalric was hanging out woth a group that was trying to figure out what to go slay inquantity when a spur of the moment quest sprang up. somebody lost there special dress it was red. we headed out into the swamp near karthy. the gruop found a blue dress and tried to pawn it off to the color blind damsell. as i sat on the side and watched the lies and deciet the group attempted to offer i recieved 2 or 3 pionts to choatic and a chastisment for my inactivty. needless to say i quickly spoke up and blew the whole sharade. paladins often have to deal with other PC's rolling there eyes and dreading the company of such high moral standards. i find that amalric has trouble finding companions of virtue. however the friends he does make are stand up characters. paladins are not easy to play because they do have standards that are above the norm as far as who they group with and why. there are dieties that a rofireinite can't rightly group with and that makes RP a little harder as noone likes to be questioned or looked down on, but it goes both ways. i've actually had a PC *spits on shield* of the symbol of rofirein. i thought it was good RP and just ignored it. but don't try and use necromancy around him because that is against the kings law and you will hear about it.
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Paladin of Rofirein here.
Lyons is quietly trying to make sense of the events that brought him to Hlint through meditation and prayer.
Meanwhile he is exploring the area, talking to the townsfolk (well most of them... no reason to set foot near the temple of Ilsare or address the cleric there) and helping those that need it, providing their reasoning seems just and it is within his ability.
Cheers!
Hadji
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Espen777 - 11/26/2005 3:55 PM
I would also like to invite Paladins and devotees of Aeridin on my CDQ, provided mixafix is completely OK with this, hoping to tighten the bonds among us protectors and preservers of life.
May the blessings of Aeridin be with you always!
Tatchien The Righteous
Mixafix is OK with this, and I herby invite Paladins and followers of Aeridin level 4 to 9 to participate in "Tatchien cdq: Brainstorming - Paladin style", Sunday 11th Dec., 11.30am PST 7.30pm GMT (See GM Led events).
Yours Sincerely,
Tatchien The Righteous
"Pay homage to life by living freely and allowing others the same"
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tom bombadill - 11/28/2005 11:05 PM once amalric was hanging out woth a group that was trying to figure out what to go slay inquantity when a spur of the moment quest sprang up. somebody lost there special dress it was red. we headed out into the swamp near karthy. the gruop found a blue dress and tried to pawn it off to the color blind damsell. as i sat on the side and watched the lies and deciet the group attempted to offer i recieved 2 or 3 pionts to choatic and a chastisment for my inactivty. needless to say i quickly spoke up and blew the whole sharade. paladins often have to deal with other PC's rolling there eyes and dreading the company of such high moral standards. i find that amalric has trouble finding companions of virtue. however the friends he does make are stand up characters. paladins are not easy to play because they do have standards that are above the norm as far as who they group with and why. there are dieties that a rofireinite can't rightly group with and that makes RP a little harder as noone likes to be questioned or looked down on, but it goes both ways. i've actually had a PC *spits on shield* of the symbol of rofirein. i thought it was good RP and just ignored it. but don't try and use necromancy around him because that is against the kings law and you will hear about it.
Heh...I remember this one...loooong time ago. The dress in question was actually beige not blue, and yeah, I remember how the GM (Milo, I think) took the quest OOC at the end and explained to those who were trying to pawn the dress off as red why what they did was contrary to most of their alignments. My own character (not a paladin, just a painfully honest individual at the time) also did not join in the "oh, it's red" deception.
I think Leanthar showed up too to explain how most of the party acted contrary to their alignments.
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tom bombadill - 11/28/2005 9:05 PM
once amalric was hanging out woth a group that was trying to figure out what to go slay inquantity when a spur of the moment quest sprang up. somebody lost there special dress it was red. we headed out into the swamp near karthy. the gruop found a blue dress and tried to pawn it off to the color blind damsell. as i sat on the side and watched the lies and deciet the group attempted to offer i recieved 2 or 3 pionts to choatic and a chastisment for my inactivty. needless to say i quickly spoke up and blew the whole sharade. paladins often have to deal with other PC's rolling there eyes and dreading the company of such high moral standards. i find that amalric has trouble finding companions of virtue. however the friends he does make are stand up characters. paladins are not easy to play because they do have standards that are above the norm as far as who they group with and why. there are dieties that a rofireinite can't rightly group with and that makes RP a little harder as noone likes to be questioned or looked down on, but it goes both ways. i've actually had a PC *spits on shield* of the symbol of rofirein. i thought it was good RP and just ignored it. but don't try and use necromancy around him because that is against the kings law and you will hear about it.
HAHA.. i was there on that... my Paladin of Vorax, Kinson. wow.. that was ages ago.
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Espen777 - 12/8/2005 3:48 PM
Espen777 - 11/26/2005 3:55 PM
I would also like to invite Paladins and devotees of Aeridin on my CDQ, provided mixafix is completely OK with this, hoping to tighten the bonds among us protectors and preservers of life.
May the blessings of Aeridin be with you always!
Tatchien The Righteous
Mixafix is OK with this, and I herby invite Paladins and followers of Aeridin level 4 to 9 to participate in "Tatchien cdq: Brainstorming - Paladin style", Sunday 11th Dec., 11.30am PST 7.30pm GMT (See GM Led events).
Yours Sincerely,
Tatchien The Righteous
"Pay homage to life by living freely and allowing others the same"
This CDQ is tonight, and we still have a few flee slots if any brave:
a) Paladin, or
b) follower of Aeridin
at any level would like to help a fellow brother in saving the world once again. Interested?
Sign up at the GM - Led events "Tatchien cdq: Brainstorming - Paladin style", Sunday 11th Dec., 11.30am PST 7.30pm GMT.
Honor your words and live by them. Your oath is as true as these laws.
Tatchien The Righteous
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In my humble oppinion a Paladin of any order should be difficult for anyone to get on with unless they happen to be the same alignment and therefore share a similar philosophical and moral outlook on life, or happen to be a follower of the same god. They see the world as black or white and have no room for compromise because they rigidly adhere to the doctrine of their faith. Whilst most beleive they fight on the side of good, it is only good from the perspective of their religion. A paladin who leads a column of mounted Knights into an orc settlement and massacres them all, women and whelps included may be seen as good by his fellow knights and the people whom he is trying to "save" from the orc menace, but to those poor whelps and unarmed female orcs, he is a demon. Paladins will perpetrate the wost kinds of evil against those who do not adhere to the laws their religious leaders make, in the name of their gods, and still believe they are good. Maybe Im wrong, but eventually the lines between good and evil become blurred, only the noble paladin cant see this.
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Whilst most beleive they fight on the side of good, it is only good from the perspective of their religion.
Exactly!
Paladins will perpetrate the wost kinds of evil against those who do not adhere to the laws their religious leaders make, in the name of their gods, and still believe they are good.
Yep, they sure do :)
only the noble paladin cant see this.
The tragedy of the paladin :)
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A big hand to Mixafix, and the CDQ he threw at me and my merry crowd of allies!
My ability as a leader was tested to the limit, and without delegating the overflow of challenges to players doing an excellent job I would have failed utterly.
I have given a report to Queen Allurial, that undoubtedly will be handed to the more senior and *cough* plump Paladins in her service. I have specified the deeds of:
Rylok
Ash
Nim’Sy Amar
Ka’Zin
Leolaka
Aries
Elledan Peters
Rakan
Shard, and
Golin
These good men, and women, saved a village and risking their life on regular basis they helped undeads, a lich included, back into the cycle of life & death. The Queen Allurial of Blackford castle has given word of pleasure, and forwards an open invitation for one of the spare rooms provided you abide to the rules of the castle.
Personally, I have been received in the brotherhood of the lightbringers, completing one cycle, and starting a bigger, more challenging one. I will do my uttermost.
*signed*
Tatchien the Righteous
Devoted follower of Aeridin, Paladin of the lightbringer.
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Glassman - 12/11/2005 8:28 AM
In my humble oppinion a Paladin of any order should be difficult for anyone to get on with unless they happen to be the same alignment and therefore share a similar philosophical and moral outlook on life, or happen to be a follower of the same god. They see the world as black or white and have no room for compromise because they rigidly adhere to the doctrine of their faith. Whilst most beleive they fight on the side of good, it is only good from the perspective of their religion. A paladin who leads a column of mounted Knights into an orc settlement and massacres them all, women and whelps included may be seen as good by his fellow knights and the people whom he is trying to "save" from the orc menace, but to those poor whelps and unarmed female orcs, he is a demon. Paladins will perpetrate the wost kinds of evil against those who do not adhere to the laws their religious leaders make, in the name of their gods, and still believe they are good. Maybe Im wrong, but eventually the lines between good and evil become blurred, only the noble paladin cant see this.
I am new to Layonara, picking to play a paladin that reflects an AD&D paladin I played over a few years with a steady group.
I agree in part with your opinion about paladin's being difficult to get along with, however I have seen too many paladins play "lawful stupid" instead of "lawful good". (not here in Layo, but in previous RP games).
A paladin has an unwavering faith and belief system yes. He is also a learned individual and in the Layo pantheon has a number of gods whose followers are allied and friendly with his. Particularly against a serious evil threat he would join them for a just cause.
In addition, a paladin has a high charisma for a reason. They should be adept at relating to others, and to those they feel aligned with (the allies and friendly followers previously mentioned), I can see engaging in philosophical and dogmatic discussions helping to correct misconceptions and simultaneously showing how other's personal views and dogma actually align with the paladin's god (always trying to get more followers from this pool).
The example of the orc village has a few caveats. I have faced this in the past and enjoyed the impact on my character immensely. In the interest of not providing too much in a non-roleplay format, a paladin's code of chilvary in generally is opposed to the killing of innocents, and that situation is one of great contemplation.
If you wish to discuss this in game, seek out Lyons and engage in a conversation. Through weeks of prayer, he is beginning to understand why the Lord Protector placed him where he is and how best he should serve.
Cheers!
Edit: spelling is my bane!
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Lawful Stupid! Ah, the ressurection of my least favorite alignment! A Paladin is simply a Fighter with a Smite, who happens to be LG. That's the way I've always played them... Keeps away the temptation of trying to order everyone around, just because he's a Paladin. Chaotic (Anti)Good's another one... A Good character does not kill a random farmer because he likes the man's coat.
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As for paladins I have seen 5 or 6 paladins for lucinda... Arm loads for toran, and one I really know is a great paldin of Rolfiren