The World of Layonara
The Layonara Community => General Discussion => Topic started by: Leanthar on December 20, 2005, 09:56:00 AM
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It is another sad day in Layonara. This time we have a large group of abusers and exploiters that are being banned.
Komoda-Richard Timms-Azaria Ironwood: -- PERMANENTLY BANNED
- “Sex clan” mother --this was ordered to be disbanded by Rhizome and other GM’s
- Found nude in NPC Legodias tent with PC Legodia then went to nearby stream to spread mud over each others bodies before returning to the tent to snuggle(screen shots) – Did this after the ‘clan’ was broken up and we clearly spelled out the rules of which he disregarded.
- Numerous argumentative situations with the denial of CDQ's – to the point of being ludicrous
- one of the people involved with the “attempted rape” of a PC
[/list] BopthoR-Beebop502-Roxx Cloudwalker and Magyar, Mongo: -- PERMANENTLY BANNED
- One of the male clan members
- Duping with the card box exploit (screen shots)
- Muling items to his new character through ties to his old character and friends
- Logged on and berated a GM in party chat (chat log)
- Sent a GM a PM calling that GM a bad name-- (won't provide the actual wording, but believe me that it was totally unacceptable)
- went house to house looting chests
- (anybody ever wonder how he got so many emeralds?)
[/list] Eagleman-Hwareagle-Taila “Talon* Nightbird: -- PERMANENTLY BANNED
- Duping with card deck exploit (screen shots and script log)
- member of the “sex clan”
- one of the people involved with the “attempted rape” of a PC
- found nude washing Azaria in a stream where anyone could have stumbled upon them despite Rhizomes former warnings about such things(screen shots)—found just the other day (weeks after the dismantling of the ‘clan’)
- Discussing the “readiness” of another character (lent belief that the so called clan is still formed)(caught by screenshots and chat log)
- Muled items to BopthoR's druid character (by BopthoR's own admission)
[/list] thunderstorm-Thunder_n_Lightning-Daemon duMoran -- PERMANENTLY BANNED
- Member of the clan
- household access
- Participant of card deck exploit (caught through screen shots and script log)
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Tabetha - verra Baraier - Tabetha 2885 -- PERMANENTLY BANNED
- How did somebody at your level (7) have so many scrolls (30ish summons scrolls and 6 rings of cunning)? Clearly it was from these exploiters
[/list]- due to your affiliation with this group and their duplication and your not reporting them you clearly have purchased (at the very least) duplicated items knowingly
- Household access
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wex101-Alnusa Glutinosa – PERMANENTLY BANNED
- Involvement with the sex clan
- household access
- due to your affiliation with this group and their duplication and your not reporting them you clearly have purchased (at the very least) duplicated items knowingly
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Xena-XenaWarriorPrinces-Kahna Krows (entire IP range which sadly also affects an entire family) – PERMANENTLY BANNED
- Member of “sex clan”
- household access
- due to your affiliation with this group and their duplication and your not reporting them you clearly have purchased (at the very least) duplicated items knowingly
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Azmoredis-Azmoredis-Caeli – PERMANENTLY BANNED
- Member of “sex clan”
[/list]- household access
- One of the major recruiters for the “sex clan”
- due to your affiliation with this group and their duplication and your not reporting them you clearly have purchased (at the very least) duplicated items knowingly
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All of these characters share multiple houses and keys to each and every house (household access) … and yet none of them are very high level (only one is 13th and the next highest is 10th)—strange don’t you think? On top of that multiple members in this ‘group’ are exploiting and have been for some time. We have watched them duplicate and then run from pawn shop to pawn shop (in different towns) draining them of gold in order to get the gold to purchase the houses and other items. Just by the sheer number of houses, at least 30-50 chests in each houses, the sheer number of items in the chests in each house—that should be a red flag for somebody that cares about the community and Layonara.
On top of all of this their ‘new characters’ were immediately muled and found ‘new friends’ within mere minutes of character creation—very poor RP and a clear violation of muling.
This is disgusting and disheartening and does nothing but harm the community and the well intentioned players. These people have voiced complaints on the forums about being unfair or not right or how things are wrong… and yet these people are doing this nonsense? Come on, this is ridiculous and it will not be tolerated.
Due to all of the exploiting, the low level crafters, the amount of pure number of crated items amongst such low level crafters and the number of crafting attempts made in comparison. The comments of “discounted merchants” amongst those involved in this group clearly shows that most knew what was happening but did not care at all and instead choose to go along for the ride. That they could own so many houses at their levels just shows how far this went. On top of that these people being involved with a sex clan that had sex with each other via telepathy and with the gods and such (disgusting by the way) I am done with all of them.
As such…All houses are hereby confiscated as well as all items in chests etc. All gold in the bank for each character mentioned above is now removed. All members listed above are now banned as defined above.
There are a few players that have houses with these people that are caught in the middle and may not have known what was happening—albeit surprisingly. To them I am sorry this just happened. But these people will no longer be tolerated in this community. For them to sink this low and then to continually bemoan and cause problems is just not acceptable.
To the ONE player that came forward the other day with concerns thank you and that alone shows you have good intentions and just got mixed up with the wrong group of people. Good job and thank you. However, you definitely have items in your inventory that was ill-gotten by those you have associated with. We need to fix that problem so send me a PM with your suggestion.
To those that we did not catch you got lucky this time, and I hope you learn your lesson. We had to end it now as this was starting to harm far too many of the community on a very large scale.
To the community:[/b]
We have been tracking them for a long time but we were trying to get as many in one sweep as possible. It just got to be so bad that we had to end it now before it destroyed the fabric of the community. I am sorry you had to tolerate their nonsense and disgust for so long; we needed to get as many of this group as possible in this round. Can you imagine the amount of time this took away from the community? Well over a dozen GM's were involved in tracking this nonsense for hours and hours on end. So much for the GM’s spending our time to allowing players to quest and have fun.
The 'Sex Clan/Clan' and all its seedy connotations I find distasteful, and I don’t think that we should show any leniency to players that have behaved in its sordid activities. There is a wide range of age groups that have visibility and play on this server, and as such I for one would not like to think that any younger players or innocent spectators should be witness to such disgusting behaviors. There are places for that sort of thing, and Layonara is most certainly not one of them.
The central figures in this whole "clan" thing have transitioned the same basic tactics of recruiting for the "trading company", basically a front for duplication and exploiting clearly. In fact, the only part that was really dropped was the sexual recruiting and the sex with the gods and junk—though they still got naked in the forest and such, another clear violation even after being warned. They still refer to Azaria as "mother" and Roxx as "father" or "papa". It is clear they have not taken to heart the opportunity we gave them and as such we are done. Basically they have ignored us and decided to do things their own way at whatever costs. As such my trust in all of them is totally gone and I do not trust that they are not using tells and such for the sex that we told them not to do any more. I want to make it clear that they were warned before and the clan was broken up, but then they started down this road of duplicating and exploiting and bringing more and more members. It had to be stopped.
A reminder to everybody once again:
http://www.layonaraonline.com/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=20093&posts=1
This entire group has torn at the very fabric of what is Layonara and this will not be tolerated any longer.
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Alright, first I must say that I am relieved and grateful for that L. These people have been a thorn in my vision of Layonara since they arrived. I dont know why exactly, since I had no clue about the sex clan or exploiting thing, but I always saw them as... well.. "bad people" for a lack of better expressions. Nothing personal, just a feeling I had.
I absolutely agree that this kind of abuse must be dealt with and therefore, I thank you Leanthar. You've jsut made Layonara a lot more enjoyable for me. :)
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Totally think this was the right thing to do. We need to buy Layonara a trash compactor for Christmas... seems like it has a way of attracting a bad nut for every two or three good ones...
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s0ulz - 12/20/2005 10:06 AM
Alright, first I must say that I am relieved and grateful for that L. These people have been a thorn in my vision of Layonara since they arrived. I dont know why exactly, since I had no clue about the sex clan or exploiting thing, but I always saw them as... well.. "bad people" for a lack of better expressions. Nothing personal, just a feeling I had.
I absolutely agree that this kind of abuse must be dealt with and therefore, I thank you Leanthar. You've jsut made Layonara a lot more enjoyable for me. :)
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Good riddance, although I must say that this comes as a big surprise. But then again I didn't knew any of these characters, except for Kloss a bit maybe.
It did strike me as odd how they could have bought so many houses together. Especially since some of these people had been complaining on the forum about a lack of housing.
I definately don't mind seeing these people leave.
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Ouch.
Yes, that's the first thing I had to say when I read all of this. Personally, I found the greater portion of the people who have been banned to be reasonably good RPers, and I consider the consequences of thier poor choices to be as much of a loss to the community as the choices themselves. I found it almost hard to believe that some of them had been using item duplication exploits, and, while I can't say I'm "shocked" or "horrified," it does trouble me that they would go to the trouble after repeated warnings...
Item duplication... It's something from nothing. And frankly, all it does is ruin the Layonaran economy even more. There's a reason we have the Lens of Pricing, and a reason there are rules against Muling. This is a ROLEPLAYING server, not a powergame! I'm sad to see these people go... And even sadder to see that they had poor enough judgement to not go about something that could be a valid RP tool in the proper ways.
The whole "Sex Clan" thing... I'm more than a bit surprized it went on. I thought the whole business was done with, back when the first announcement was made. A great deal of very good RPing came from it, before it got out of hand, but when it did... Aye, personal liability can stretch very, very far. Sex is no less a part of life than death... And that is reflected in good RPing (when it comes up, anyway). Incredible character development can come from interactions between characters in that manner... But not only is it a mark of poor taste to do so in an explicit, more-or-less-public manner, it also marks a particular lack of skill in the player. My character, Pyyran Rahth, had an encounter with another character, a few weeks back. It was in a reasonably secluded location (as was quite IC for both characters; privacy and all that), and was also at a relatively low-traffic time of day. But more than that... Everything was kept from being too explicit, and orchestrated through PMs. Let me tell you, it was one of the most difficult bits of writing I've had to do in a long while, and it also involved a great deal more character development than any other single event in my character's played life. I even got a few XP from a DM that happened to be watching. I'm not patting myself on the back; all I'm trying to do it illustrate how things can be done properly. "X: *Moves faster* | Y: *Gasps louder*" is NOT good RPing any more than saying you've got an eight-foot-tall halfling.
We've lost some of the more interesting characters, because of thier players' bad choices. Let's not lose any more, eh? We still need SOMEONE to fight Bloodstone.
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*sighs* Why do people behave like that, we have a nice communety and a very nice world, where we can have fun with all sorts of things. Yet again and again we see these cursed people that exploit a system, ruining the fun for the rest of us and especially the DM team. My only hope is that we some day can stop waisting our time and energy on these kind of people.
Thumbs up to the DM team. It is a dirty job, but someone has to do it...
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I'm glad you've banned them sooner rather than later...to be honest this sort of thing has always worried me a lot when it comes to online games...mainly due to the fact that in this country it seems that any suggestion of 'Sex' or 'Enticing' leads to you being persumed guilty rather than innocent, basically it seems you have to prove your innocence publically too not just in court. In fact the 'Enticing a minor' or whatever its called, is actually a criminal offence in this country and that covers all types of 'virtual sex' or sexual language with minors. Of course even the accusation would mean your name in the newspapers and for someone like me it would mean the end of my professional careea as well, as even just the accusation means being struck off the professional register.
So Leanthar and the team you have my heartfelt thanks for your prompt action :)
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I must applaud you.
I have only seen these people on Layo, and am new here...
BUT, my son does watch over my shoulder. Too young to play yet, but he'll love to be on here when I let him. (he just likes to kill things... I can imagine him running through the forest killing things and running into that)
I'm glad that our characters cannot be completely naked, that relieves me quite a bit
and I had no idea any of this was happening. But, as a newbie: I stand behind your decision 150%!
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This is wrong ... i didnt have a clue and i was certainly not involved in this in anyway . I purchased the potion of bull strengh and my scroll i have collected from day one . The Helmet of armour i borrowed from Talon because i lost mine and she said she had potion of barskins she could use , so i thought nothing of it .
sighed kloss
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You were in the sex clan, and you still associated with these exploiters in their houses and with their items. You had items of theirs and everything.
From one of the development threads of this clan:
"I did want to see what Taila's leathers looked like on me, and in the process of exchange, we were both bare to nature and who was to come across us, Kloss, he did not say word. That is twice he has done that to me. The first was in the company of Kharl, both having watched me strip, bathe and redress with out a word. This time, Kloss said not a word and only observed me in my nudity. I was so emberassed and upset. Where is his manners? At least announce your self or your approach. Gents are dogs! "
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Wow... just...(think of bunnies) wow...
That there made me cuss to my self... thus the bunny remark... I mean..... I'm speachless for these events.
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Im actually gutted that this whent on. Lan knows several of the characters these people played and their disappearance will trouble him greatly. Why can';t people just play be the rules and enjoy the experience the same as everyone else?
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I've had near misses in the past on other systems with such behavior but the scale of this hurts the intestines.
Two of my characters had met most of these people at one time or another in a tangental manner....never got to hang with them at length but who knows......yargh!
But I must go bathe now anyway....alot....with bleach.
Oh...and go donate to these folks...the hours of work alone to make this an open and shut case is amazing.
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*applauds*
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while I was only vaguely familiar with most mentioned there, and I had no idea there was a *coughs* 'sex clan'? I knew two of the characters pretty well, had some good RP with them, and, as in the past when such things have come up, I am horribly upset. But L is right, plain and simple (go figure, it's his world afterall). Such things as a 'sex clan,' not to mention the exploits (seven houses!!!!!! good god!), have no place on Layo. Romance, sure, but a (still boggling over this) 'sex clan'? *sits with his elbows on the desk propping up his head, trying to think of something constructive to say, only to find himself at a loss for words*
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Good riddance indeed...
Some people just enjoy having everything the easy way, when the harder is so much challenging and fun. *shakes his head*
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Good grief....some people can't resist doing this sort of thing in a PW can they? A sex clan on a family server? *shakes his head and sighs*
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*He reads out, gob smacked and opened mouthed*
Kloss, Az, Alunsa, Roxx, Talon, Daemon... I knew them all - I helped Kloss into the world! I feel a bit hurt by it all, that I feel I don't really know them at all...Not very nice...
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*cheers, his day having just been made!*
Azaria, Bopthor and Talia all put such a bad taste in my mouth a few days ago that I had told all three of them that they were dead to me for their idiocy, Ie: not to talk to me in game, OOC, vie PM or Tells, to just altogether not interact with me at all. I was so disgusted at how they handled division of resources, the constant gratuitous lesbian snuggling and total lack of RP that I pretty much had it. I was actually in the process of converting about 3 screens worth of shots to report Talia for constantly sending me tells after the fact, but was still trying to figure out how to convert the files for a proper report.
The three of them had become such a thorn in my sanity's side that I would log onto the website, check the server status list, and if two or more of them were logged on, I just wouldn't play for the afternoon. Talking to Acacea and Vyris, I found they pretty much felt the same way. Then I started to notice something... whenever the members of this stupid sex cult were logged in, there was practically nobody else on the server. I honestly feel that these bad eggs fouled up the entire experience of the game for me and several others to the point where their mere presence was sickening.
That entire freaky cult had me dreading this place. Now I can log in and live again.
Thank you Leanthar and all staff participating in the sting. I just got my Christmas present! :)
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First of all I would like to thank Leanthar and team for keeping Layonara a fun and happy place for us to play.
It saddens me to think about the amount of time that it must have taken to track the characters involved in this activity. It is obvious that they missed the point of Layonara entirely.
It also answers a few things that made me go huh? but then I ended up explaining it away to myself thinking that most people are honest and enjoying the Role Play and environment that Layonara has to offer.
The only thing I knew about the so called "Clan" was a post I caught by Leanthar in a characters journal.
I was actually appauled at the activity and surprised at the teams patience in dealing with this. It was very clear in that post that the activity was to end. Apparently it did not.
Unaware of the exploiting, I allowed the groups trading company (BrightSky) to sell items at the Leilon Arms. When I browsed the chest I was a bit surprised at the goods, but then again I did not know who was involved in the trading company so I dismissed any wrong doing. The only other thing that struck me as odd... was that I purchased a box of bread and a box of jerky from one of the other players, Initially I thought that it was a little quick for the character to have the skill to make the items and they must have had to be spending quite a bit of time gathering all the required components to do so. But I dismissed it again as a group effort and... I generally think players are on the up and up.
Three of the players banned had rooms at the Leilon Arms. As soon as I can log on I will empty the crates and dispose of any items. I will then change the locks on the Leilon Arms. I will notify other tenants of this so that keys can be given to them. If a DM wants to verify or look in the crates please let me know and I will not touch them until you have had a chance to look.
Finally while I find this a bit shocking, I know it is not the norm. I think most players are aware and frankly quite grateful at what Leanthar and the team provide for us. I think most players get what Layonara is about and enjoy something that is rare among online games.
*edit I just remembered that on Friday Taila bought 1 of each type of pie... just sad.
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oh.. well.. i guess Sand Krows wont be back now, and i think he was working on getting back into it again too. And to think of all the arrows i bought from Taila, to find now that they were not even crafted but cheated into the game.
So are thouse that lived with thouse that were banned going to lose there house, as well as what they had in it? I ask for Lokri/Path, sence he and Kloss.. and one other bought a house togeather. If anything could be done, id sugest simply sorting out the goods (dont imagin he would like about what was and wasent his) and give him the house, as if his room mate had died. Just an idea.
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I'l like to thank L and Rhizome and whoever were on their case for getting them out of here. Good job. I wonder why some people have to ruin it for all of us. At least they're gone now
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I feel really bad about all of this. I knew nothing about the "sex clan" and I would not have associated with it's members if I had known. In the future I will keep my RP appropriate for all ages. :(
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Wow. Good work from the GMs and Leanthar. I always had a strange feeling around them but just thought they were RPing odd people. Sorry to hear about Kloss being involved. A sad but necessary day.
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i too would like to extend a hearty pat on the back and a good job to the DM team involved in this, the whole attempted rape of a PC thing is what has me the most concerned over all of this
i personaly don't have any experience with these characters aside from when bopthor complained about lue not healing him, but if they were involved with all of this then they definetly do deserve to be banned, which is saying something because unless i'm mistaken the ban list contains less then 20 names currently even after adding these 9
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Wow. I knew some of these people, and I must say I never would have expected this from some of them. The whole concept of this "Clan" I find to be quite disturbing.
Thank you Leanthar, and all the other GMs. Thank you for keeping Layonara the way it should be.
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*shakes his head* I cannot believe that people would do this. This is a wonderful world and Thank you to Leanthar and all the GMs who had to waste their time, which could have been spent running quest or improving the world, on this.
Thank you for keep Layonara such an amazing place!
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I am going to edit this post. However I wanted to post here as well.
After a lot of questions, numerous emails, and lots of input from the team we have determined that kloss seemed to be lumped in to a very bad situation. While he clearly made some poor judgements along the way (not reporting things that seemed out of place is a major one) he does not seem to have been actively involved with this group. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time on a number of times but we do not believe after a lot further review and such that he was actively exploiting or involved with the sex clan. However, he definetly made a number of poor judgement calls--something I hope he has learned from.
As such we have moved to un-ban kloss.
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I want to say to Leanthar and anyone on the Team who is discouraged by stuff like this - keep in mind all the great work you have done. So many of us are very happy to be here and very grateful for all you have done.
An observation: Leanthar mentioned having to investigate these people. Now having to do such an investigation took precious time away from doing constructive activities that would have further enriched our Layo experience. Hence we all suffered because of this.
A few of these people were banned in part because they associated with these despicable practices and failed to confront or report the perpetrators. What has heppened is now over, but we can learn from it. As players, we don't have to put up with stuff like this. As I have told a couple of you already, I really don't know what to think of this - but as I sort it out in the coming days, I am going to think about how I, as a player, can make a difference so hopefully nothing like this will happen again. Perhaps you will join me in thinking about what +you+ can do to make such a difference.
Hang in there everyone!
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Well done Leanthar. Its great to show people that even in a computer game there needs to be morals. Layonara for me was a family and a community feeling. Its great to see that you and your team are protecting the community from such filth.
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Yllyrryon - 12/20/2005 3:18 PM
As players, we don't have to put up with stuff like this. As I have told a couple of you already, I really don't know what to think of this - but as I sort it out in the coming days, I am going to think about how I, as a player, can make a difference so hopefully nothing like this will happen again. Perhaps you will join me in thinking about what +you+ can do to make such a difference.
Very right. As players we should be responsible for our actions. We should also be self-policing. If we see something that is not right, then we should alert the GM team to it.
I know of two incidents in particular where this happened. One of them was alerting the Team to the "Clan" initially.
GMs cannot be everywhere at all times. If you see something that does not seem right, let the Team know.
We are the community. All of us. Let's do what we need to do to make sure that the community thrives and does well. :)
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Yllyrryon - 12/20/2005 3:18 PM
I want to say to Leanthar and anyone on the Team who is discouraged by stuff like this - keep in mind all the great work you have done. So many of us are very happy to be here and very grateful for all you have done.
I just want to second this.
Not to seem like a suck-up or anything, but I've been away for a short while, maybe 6 weeks or so. Just been feeling really unenthusiastic about anything and everything (I hadn't drifted to another server!), but I returned to the game yesterday and already it's cheered me up again. I'd forgotten how much I miss playing here :)
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Well, I guess I missed most of this in my quasi-absence ....
What makes me sick ... is the number. Nine people.
A single bad egg is easy to get over. Even two or three are not that hard. Nine people is something entirly different
To be honest, for the longest time there was something stale to me on Layo, and I am not sure if it was these people, or something else. I do know however that this is a step in the right direction.
Sorry to Kahna that she won't get to hear any more of Quin's stories. Sorry to the community for having these people in the Leilon Arms. Sorry to Leanthar and the GMs for having to deal with this tomfoolery.
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I want to extend my appreciation to the GM team. I have been wondering why there haven't been as many quests as of late, I guess this would be why.
Most of those involved, I had limited or no interaction with. One, however, I feel might have made a bad choice, but I do not know them well enough to even attempt to say anything to defend them. It's unfortunate that I won't be able to RP with that person again, for I felt they had some skill.
After spending hours upon hours working on my crafts, the idea of someone half my level with 75 items of a difficulty to craft that is beyond my capability just sickens me. I only wish I had the gold to possibly purchase JUST ONE of the new vacant houses !!!!!!!! I might have to see about the Arms.. :) I hear they have rooms again.
I am having a hard time concentrating on what to say next... I have 8 ft tall halfings and bunnies running through my head.... THAT IS JUST FUNNY!
Seriously though...
THANK YOU L AND THE REST OF THE GM TEAM
I look forward to the more positive energies that will be freed up now that this has come to pass.
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Leanthar - 12/21/2005 12:16 AM I am going to edit this post. However I wanted to post here as well.
After a lot of questions, numerous emails, and lots of input from the team we have determined that kloss seemed to be lumped in to a very bad situation. While he clearly made some poor judgements along the way (not reporting things that seemed out of place is a major one) he does not seem to have been actively involved with this group. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time on a number of times but we do not believe after a lot further review and such that he was actively exploiting or involved with the sex clan. However, he definetly made a number of poor judgement calls--something I hope he has learned from.
As such we have moved to un-ban kloss.
I'm happy to hear this, it's good that the team took time to get a clear view of who was in the wrong and who wasn't. Welcome back kloss. :)
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http://www.layonaraonline.com/donate.asp
Thought I would throw in the link as I applaud the Layonara Staff.
Honestly, I am at a loss of words. Great job to all!
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As alot of you have said, I always had a bad feeling about some of these players. I never knew about the clan thing and I am glad. Heh, I never know about duping in any game. I was almost going to say hi to one of them that I noticed was from my home town, but I did not like his forum portrait or quotes. This goes to show that your personality does show even on computer games. With that said I feel like there are a ton of players here that are good people and generally care about others.
Layo Team, Thanks!! I can't imagine how frustrated you were. It even makes me mad that a lot of disputes I read were from them. Umm, yeah, the emerald I just duped disappeared from my chest and it was server's fault. Ooooohh I hate that!!!
Have a joyous Holiday and again, thanks for all you do.
Etinfall
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I am sorry that this went on for so long. I am glad it is over now. Thank you for your hard work in tracking it down.
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*shaking my head still*
I can not belive these people though they were going to get away with this. The GM team is way to good..
Thanks again
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Ok went from laughing to the the "sex clan" thing to going what the hey this is a family server and not a place for that to K' what have you stepped in now to runs IG to see if our house and ressources we collected up until now are still there or did we loose everything LoL
Just came back from there and found everything though the bookshelf inside right in front of the frontdoor made me go hmmmm ;)
So if you guys want to speak to any of us before we use the house again no problems, will stay out until I get your go ahead.
Also would like to put a few words in for Kloss he here; he is learning this game and has choosen Layo in order to do this. Nor was he brought-up with the Americain values system but the British one.
This last not about the whole sex thing but just to bring up the fact that what you as americans see as perfectly normal behaviour he would find chocking and vise-versa *shrugs*
Personally the worst I'v seen him do IG is play footsy while he was bathing with Tailon in Saudrias' pond and apart from making Lokri and Yoss go: *grumbles* we be needen e keg 'f ale and Gravas (Lokris' brother IG) throwing-up in the pond LoL it didn't go any further ;)
Nor as he ever mentioned any kind of sexual games he played with anyone IG via PMs or regular tells to me and we talk about some serious stuff as well as a lot of totally idiotic ones as well, so don't see why he wouldn't have for the IG sex thing *shrugs*
I think K' is a good chap as the Brits would put it although he does have a tendency to lean a bit towards MrBean a few times, "n'est-ce pas" K'? :p
For the banning: I think that it's perfectly normal that people doing that on a family server get banned. The sexual stuff is at the very least bad taste and the exploit thing...well makes me think of PKing for some reason ;)
PS. by the way thanks LoganGrimnar and I'll destroy the key to Talions house on Dregar she gaved to me IG a day ago as well as the strengh potions that K' gaved me and told me he bought seeing those came from exploit.
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I haven't played here in some time, and miss Layo and the RP here greatly. To read that this kind of thing has gone on is distressing to me, who always has held Layo as a bastion of excellent RP. I give the GM team major kudos for tracking all this down and Leanthar for taking steps to eradicate it, but I do have to say: how disappointing that sods like this had to drag the attention of the GMs away from the quests and excellent RP to have to attend to something so sordid? Those people should be ashamed of themselves.
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I personally didn't know any of the characters involved, but judging by L's post these people are simply sick. No normal or sane person will want to RP a sex clan or a rape in an internet game. These people have issues and thank god they aren't part of Layonara any longer.
A grand thank you goes to L and the GM team.
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All I will say is
Now all this has explained a lot to me
My two main PCs have had run ins with some of the 9 bannd and they did do some very odd RP.
Roxx most of all as he/she could not make up there mind on what gender they where.
As for the "sex clan" Well the rape thing just makes me sick.
shame on you for disrecpecting the "real human players"
who help make Layonara one of the best Online games around.
To Leanthar and all who do such grate work here thanks once again for
makeing and keeping Layonara the grate place it is.
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This is indeed a sad thing, I dont like perm. ban but it can be neccesary. Some of the players surprises me, I met them and they did good RP it's sad it went that way. Others on the other hand, was annyoing in search of gold, and really understood to break a good parting time. About the sex stuff, its really disgustful, and its very poor RP, guys... this is a middleage world, people would get stoned for less. And a rape?! This was certainly not the first topic I expected to see after tree weeks of goodbye.
Nice work from the GM's side.
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wow!
Okay, so there I was... all playing my character... the paladin I believe. I met two of the banned for the first time and they seemed nice. Then there comes posting about said people doing odd things. Okay, watch out here, I think. Then my other character meets another one of them, he seems pretty nice and rps okay. I complain about no storage space and he says that they are part of a merchant group. I know about the "clan", but not much, and I thought the merchant group was just their social needs done "nicely" (that is to say, a way to be a group but within the rules of the game). They offered to bring me into the house and such. I say that I will think about it... post about it in my character development (see Vesath) and I am thinking that one of the things about my character is his not trusting anyone... and here is a group of people going out of their way to bring him into their circle... perhaps this could be a story of learning to trust people. Okay... sure... let's RP some and see what happens.
Then the holidays come and in the restaraunt business this means overtime. Several days of no playing. I finally come on line several times and do not see them... after a week I figure, what is going on? One of them was going to give me a key to the house... I needed a place to put my brews that I worked hard to make! But I read here things about sex and muling and duping cards (what the heck is that?) and other things (just how do you make money with a pawn shop anyway) and so on... I never saw any of that stuff going on and would not take any part of it. However, I did pay money and a whole lot of knuckles to Talon for a full plate armor and a +1 longsword (Tristan Morgan, paladin pc), both of which are in bank vault. I let someoen else put an electrical thingy on the sword and I can now nolonger use it. That's all I ever got... and Tristan was adamant about paying a fair price for the weapon/armor, saying that he would trust her to give him an honest deal. Whenever he got money/knuckles, he would go to her and give it to her. He didn't keep a record (honest), but just kept paying until she said it was paid for. They are in the bank vault if you want them back. I do not think Vesath got anything from them, though Alnusa crafted a +1 staff from some wood they went and harvested together.
I am shocked... I had no idea. To think... if I had played one more day I might have gotten a key and might have been banned! I would have been devastated! this place rocks! I am certainly glad that I didn't get banned, but I seem to have been close to the edge there. Thanks for not killing me, if you were ever considering it.
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Am I to assume that the bow I bought from Talion is a dupe? If so how do I handle it?
J
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If you bought an item from them legitimately (i.e. paid for it, traded for it etc.) there should be no problem with keeping that item.
You paid the gold just as if you had bought it from someone else. They received the illegitimate profits. They are now banned and all gold/items in banks or houses are deleted, so the illegitimate profits are gone. Your gold is still out of your pocket in exchange for the item so there is no illegitimacy in owning an item purchased fairly from them.
-TV
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Aye, bow was paid for with legitimately earned gold. I shall continue to utilize this important addition to Nagi's arsenal. Thanks for the feedback.
J