The World of Layonara
The Layonara Community => General Discussion => Topic started by: Anomas Analor Kamath on July 24, 2006, 12:34:42 AM
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I see your point... i have less than ten posts.. 'what the hell is this kid yelling about?'
C'mon, you're smarter than that.. i may be new to the server, but i've been roleplaying since i was a stupid kid [i may still be stupid, but no longer a kid] and i've been playing rp servers in ultima online for 6 years now, so i kindda know what i'm talking about.
A few points that MUST be stretched
1 - Do NOT stay away from the game. I know it's immensily appealing to give a look at layonara's map on the handbook, but LOG OFF FOR A FEW MINUTES to do it... it's amusing the ammount of times i talk to someone and it stares blankly ahead... sometimes people just leave the game screen in the MIDDLE of a roleplay action... thats just plain stupid, so don't, please. The idea of the game is to feel like you're in the world, not pressing buttons and clicking. This can't be done if the world suddenly turns into a shinning screen full of words... You're either in, or out.
2 - You may have understood that your char's name doesn't float above your heads, but some of you certainly don't understand itens DO NOT have an examine screen which does the same... let me just explain this: When you're playing nwn single player or bg, and you press the neat 'identify' button on the examine screen while talking to a vendor, it means he OPENS HIS DARN MOUTH AND TELLS YOU WHAT IT IS AND DOES... he does not, however, IMPRINT ON THE ... SWORD THAT IT GIVES FIRE DAMAGE, SO I CAN'T KNOW WHAT IT DOES UNLESS YOU TELL ME. So when someone ask you to identify something, you TELL HIM what it is called, and what it does [maybe you can lie, eh? Another nice rp opportunity, the character will have no way to verify your claims] don't just say 'ohhh, look at it again and a message on your mind will show up telling you EVERYTHING about it.. amazing, uh?'
3 - When you're actively ignoring someone, send an *ignore* emote. It shows that at least you, player, is aware of the character's presence, and isn't just too busy crafting to give a ... to rp...
And yeeees, i know there's a forum section for roleplay, but let's face it, how many of you reads there every day? This IS important... so i just put it on a place more people would see it.
By the way staff, there's a tail as an option of 'belt' when you're editting your armor on the craft shop... any chance i could roleplay as a natural tail? [if there isn't, there isn't, just trying...]
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What really cracks me up is those perfect strangers who get angry when you're busy crafting, as if it was every working man's duty to stop and enter conversation. Go to the mall, run up to every person in sight, and try talking to them. Invite them to go play baseball.. and urge them to drop everything and play NOW. "Come on! why don't you stop and talk to meeee?! I want to play baseball! HELP ME PLAY BASEBALL!!!"
Those people crack me up. If anybody's ever that "friendly" in real life, people start calling cops, quick. Some people just enjoy going about on their daily lives.
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No need to be that angry....that's only a few people that do that. A large number of people will say "What's that?" when as a player they know what it is. For example I play Dulan but I remember that I, the player, have been places but Dulan hasn't, so when he enters a new area he has to be dumb and cautious about the area (And I have died on purpose too because Dulan had no idea what was there).
If you feel someone maybe doing some RP incorrectly to you, just send them a polite tell...It frustrates me how I would RP something that would be true from my view, and they rudely emote it as something else...for example:
I was sat at the Hlint bench, and there was a character next to me who, I thought, was covered in black (I percieved it as black), so I just put *He looks across, examining the woman in black* (and may I add she is the only character there), then the player puts: *Looks around for a woman covered in black* Firstly the character itself cannot READ the emotes ontop of your head! I found this highly rude and in fact I just stood up and walked off, I didn't want to RP with someone that rude. I found out later the woman was covered in a dark blue! I maybe colour blind or the screen maybe odd but still don't do that!
But this is only a few players, so don't worry - I have had plenty of fun RPs with people!
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Well, sometimes people walk away for a couple of minutes for a short toilet break or to fetch something to eat. Completely valid reasons to stay AFK in the game, in my opinion. Though, if one stays away for longer than that, it's probably best to logout (cuts down lag too!).
As for the Role Play forum... I tend to read all posts appearing there, but not all of them in the General Discussion forum... :P
Oh, and using the tail as a natural tail would need to be approved at character creation (heh, definitely one of the harder things to get approved for, I bet)...
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This message WOULD be best moved to the RP forum, but since it's out here anyway...
To emphasize Lonnarin's response - sometimes when crafting, messages can be lost in the wash of crafting-station responses, so you're unaware even that you're being spoken to. Kell generally makes a point of doing what I do at work - nodding or acknowledging the prescence of friends, then returning to work. If someone Kell doesn't know is pestering him when he's crafting, it all depends on his mood so far that day. If he's been having a good day, he might set his tools down to talk to a new person. Otherwise, he'll ignore them in stony silence. If a character continues to work, visibly moving (so they're not afk), that should be easily enough of a rebuff - *ignores* should be redundant.
In answer to point #1 of Anomas' post, there's a simple solution - take the time to rp your way behind the local tavern.. then, either drink a libation of some sort (if you can afford the ruinously expensive alcohol on Layo), or RP same, and pass out behind the tavern - the "falls forward" emote. Drunk to unconsciousness allows for a sensibly RP reason to be unresponsive. When you return from whatever has called you away from the keyboard, your character can get groggily to their feet, and stagger off in the direction of the well to splash some cold water on their face. (If your character's a teatotaller, that's your own fault - come up with something of your own. ;) ).
Finally, in answer to point #2 (I know, strange ordering - so sue me.), while you may not know everything about the item (its name, if it has it, for example) from looking at it, your Lore score allows you to identify objects from their design - and your Appraise skill ought to give you a fair idea of their capabilities, even if your character is insufficiently skilled to accurately judge the cost of the item. Letting someone examine an item in the Barter screen is essentially the same as letting them swing the sword about a bit to test its heft. In addition, if the weapon does elemental damage, it glows. Electricity crackles quietly along its blade, fire licks around the head. The fact that these enchantments manifest themselves when the weapon is wielded make it perfectly reasonable for the prospective buyer to know virtually everything about the weapon. (Not that it does, say, 2d6 fire damage, but the heat and raging flames around the blade would make him/her suspect that it does "considerable" fire damage. Similarly, a weapon that fairly hums through the air and feels perfect in the wielder's hand is likely a +1 or +2 weapon.)
Edited for clarity - sorry, folks, I just can't write today, it seems.
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No character should have a tail in game this is not approved at creation and would likely be part of an epic development if ever approved.
Also to Darkstormes point 2... thats pretty much right on, Lore allows characters to identify stuff not to mention the obvious visual attributes such as elemental enhancements.
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just for reference, not all elementally enchanted blades glow with the power of their element. It's true, even mildly enchanted weapons, while not literally flaming or electrified, emit a faint glow of light, usually of a similar color to represent their ability (fire emits red light, etc.). so one should be able to identify weapons from their visual porperties, certainly, especially since we use actual metals in determining their "enhancement" abilities, and each metal is unique in color and feel. however, due to funny game mechanics, or, an altered visual (since you can make and buy alchemical visual effects for a blade that override that of their properties), the weapon in question may not do what it looks like it should do.
In example, the sword Wicked (one of Cole's old blades, for those who don't know), has no visual effect. Yet, it has multiple enchantments on it, inculding a cold three rod, which usually would have a visual effect. The sword still does, however, emit a faint blue glow of light.
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Well, and a cautious character could draw a finger lightly along the edge of the blade and feel the resultant sensation. (VERY cautious - after all, with a masterwork adamantium sword with a fire III enchantment, you might lose the finger. And those are EXPENSIVE to grow back. *laughs*)
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I'd point out that the Identify spell actually increases one's Lore skill for a short time, which allows one to identify items that would not otherwise be recognizable. Lore is not only about recognizing an item by its visuals and saying, "Ah yes, this is a Greater Amulet of Sparkliness..." but also about recognizing the perhaps subtle characteristics of the item and being able to discern any additional properties that may or may not be known for items of that type.
You'll note also that the best identifiers are mid-to-high level mages and bards, who also tend to have a fairly high Spellcraft score that would allow them to discern the nature of a static dweomer/enchantment on an item, assuming it isn't overly complex....which none of our dropped or craftable items are.
Now, personally I prefer to give an IC overview of items my character identifies for people....things like "..will also burn your enemy a bit when you hit them..." or "...will help absorb lighning from traps and spells..." or "...should be nicely effective against undead..." and things like that. For items with a long story, I tend to *emote* the description, as it's too much to flip back and forth between the chat window and the description....such as: *describes its history in great detail*
In my mind, how someone goes about doing this is up to the character. Theres no "right" way to describe the function of a device or item.
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I would argue that while there's no "right" way, there is, in fact, a "wrong" way - and this would be anything to do with stats in an IC context. That is to say, "2d6 fire damage" should never feature in an RP conversation. :)
That having been said, Lore really has little to do with looking at the visuals of an item, and much more to do with recognizing the craftsmanship/legends surrounding the weapon/item/device/whatever.
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Well true..."2d6" or whatever has no place in an in-character description, and really shouldn't be mentioned at all.
As for what Lore does and doesn't do...It's probably better described as "knowledge", and the higher the score, the more knowledge...and your ability to take what can be observed and translate that into a name, form and function.
Take something mundane like a screw as an example.
My 7 year-old daughter could tell you it's a screw. Someone with more knowledge would be able to tell you if it was a machine screw, wood screw, drywall screw or sheet metal screw. Someone with more knowledge might be able to tell you whether it has imperial or metric threads (and perhaps even give you the thread specs). Someone even more knowedgeable could tell you if it was a left-hand or right-hand thread...and the really freaky people might be able to tell you that this particular screw in only used on a particular printing press built in southern Hungary by a man with 3 fingers on his left hand named Marco.
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I have absolutely no lore or appraise scores, and i'd put a -5 on each if i could.. for heck's sake, i'm an WILD ELF who barelly knows about ELVEN GODS much less a friggin' unidentified item. It was star dust, just for starters, so it was a bag with some coloured dust in it.. come on, i'd never know what it is, still, the girl told me to look at it again and i'd know everything about it this time.. come on, this kind of rp sucks
And about the afk.. yeah, sometimes you gotta pee.. been there, done that. But TELL others.. '//afk' That's the least i'd expect.. more experienced players would back up a bit, like running into some empty area of the map, and then peeing... It's not that hard.
And the craft thing was just an example... it's just so i won't screenshot you several times and send a complaint to the gm's because you're commonly afk while logged in to avoid certain little inconveniences.. like ban. To avoid that, just send an *ignore*, or ppl will think you're afk. Of course, when you're crafting, and obviously not afk, this is redundant
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Anomas Analor Kamath - 7/24/2006 6:49 PM
And the craft thing was just an example... it's just so i won't screenshot you several times and send a complaint to the gm's because you're commonly afk while logged in to avoid certain little inconveniences.. like ban. To avoid that, just send an *ignore*, or ppl will think you're afk. Of course, when you're crafting, and obviously not afk, this is redundant
Isn't that a bit extreme? I mean you got to have a folder full of screenshots to show this person is AFK.
It was star dust, just for starters, so it was a bag with some coloured dust in it.. come on, i'd never know what it is, still, the girl told me to look at it again and i'd know everything about it this time.. come on, this kind of rp sucks
Not if you look at the dust a different angle. :) You could notice something that may give a clue to help you that anyone could work out.
Edd.
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To send an Ignore PM would take forever to everyone logged and.Id pee myself by the time I was done.
Every world has little imperfections.Just move on dont stand about and steam then come here to rant its not worth it.
It is a pretty funny read though.
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Anomas Analor Kamath - 7/24/2006 7:49 PM
And about the afk.. yeah, sometimes you gotta pee.. been there, done that. But TELL others.. '//afk' That's the least i'd expect.. more experienced players would back up a bit, like running into some empty area of the map, and then peeing... It's not that hard.
Different people have different ways to go AFK. I for one avoids "//afk" as it tends to break RP-focus for the other players. Walking away to a corner is sometimes prefered but if one is in the middle of a discussion, one usually doesn't want to "lose" any message. A *She seems to be thinking of something else for a couple of minutes.* or a *He stands there, nodding and listening silently for some time.* emote (and/or a tell to the party leader/friend) is usually the way I do it.
This thread could have been a "how to improve RP"-one, but because of the tone in your posts, I don't think anyone will take the suggestions to their hearts. A slightly more friendly way to express this will probably be much better.
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More to the point, as Dorg says above, the problem is obviated by saying "*describes the object in great detail* //look at it now."
That would do it, for RP purposes.
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Weeblie - 7/24/2006 8:22 PM
Anomas Analor Kamath - 7/24/2006 7:49 PM
And about the afk.. yeah, sometimes you gotta pee.. been there, done that. But TELL others.. '//afk' That's the least i'd expect.. more experienced players would back up a bit, like running into some empty area of the map, and then peeing... It's not that hard.
Different people have different ways to go AFK. I for one avoids "//afk" as it tends to break RP-focus for the other players. Walking away to a corner is sometimes prefered but if one is in the middle of a discussion, one usually doesn't want to "lose" any message. A *She seems to be thinking of something else for a couple of minutes.* or a *He stands there, nodding and listening silently for some time.* emote (and/or a tell to the party leader/friend) is usually the way I do it.
This thread could have been a "how to improve RP"-one, but because of the tone in your posts, I don't think anyone will take the suggestions to their hearts. A slightly more friendly way to express this will probably be much better.
But sometimes *Lost in thought* doesn't mean that you are afk therefore I usually sends a tell ot simply types out //afk when I go afk simply because I use the other emotions to RP
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Yes, yes, do remember this is a ~game~... and as such, saying this is "good" RP and this "bad" RP is a humorous (as Force so bluntly pointed such rants are) notion, solely for the fact RP is purely subjective. Granted, there are a few conventions, and obviously you will run into peple that just do things waaaay off from how you feel immersed. So find others that fit your style better to hang out with, and ignore the rest. Yes, don't interact with them, whether it's good RP to or not. Because you're here to have fun and if interacting with them messes with your RP experience, then pretend they don't exist, if it's so extreme for you.
Of course, this is just my two cents, and as Weeblie pointed out, keep the rants among friends you trust. There's no need to put it up for the world to see. If you want the world to see what you have issue with, avoid the rant and go for the critique. It truly is a matter of tone.
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darkstorme - 7/24/2006 3:24 PM
More to the point, as Dorg says above, the problem is obviated by saying "*describes the object in great detail* //look at it now."
That would do it, for RP purposes.
Exactly.. this isn't much to ask. I'd still rather listen to an rp explanation.. the deeper, the better. But your suggestion is way better than pressing the identify button already...
And the afk complaint goes for people in the middle fo the action. Whoever has been to hlint for some time, noticed there's a corner, right in front of the bank, where people usually gather. A guy was sitting in one of those benches, afk. I talked to him soon praying no one was listening, because he simply ignored me. And yes, i wasn't being a pest, i knew him from before...
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Anomas Analor Kamath - 7/24/2006 12:49 PM And the craft thing was just an example... it's just so i won't screenshot you several times and send a complaint to the gm's because you're commonly afk while logged in to avoid certain little inconveniences.. like ban. To avoid that, just send an *ignore*, or ppl will think you're afk. Of course, when you're crafting, and obviously not afk, this is redundant
I'm sorry, I just saw this....
What in the world makes you think people can get banned here because they're afk?
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This isn't work. Well, for some it probally feels like it (I am sorry for that). It sounds like you caught someone not Rp'ing that well. Don't come near me then, I do it alot. I try to Rp to the best of my abilities, but sometimes I fall short. What if this persons dog just knocked over the table and was munching on dinner? What if his child somehow logged on and was running around like daddy does. Things happen, we should all try to do our best but remember this is a game for all of us. To practice, learn and have fun rp'ing with others.
Etinfall
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I, personally, have done this more than a few times. I do habitually leave the computer to go handle something. And what's wrong with that? I'm not going to log out of Layonara every time I feel hungry, thirsty, distracted, the need to go number 1 or 2, or anything else. If you're getting mad by a vacantly staring dwarf who has inexplicably gone mute and deaf, well, he's a friggin' dwarf, what do you expect, a high attention span? :P Many people have RPed my absences tastefully with "Oh, he seems to be thinking" or "Oh, the fat old bugger has fallen asleep". I applaude that. I don't think I would react too well to someone that started sending me angry PMs while I was on, unless it was my girlfriend telling me to get my butt back to the computer and RP, etc. And even then... ;)
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Overlooking the original poster's lack of tact, grammar skills and gratuitous use of punctuation and the caps, I do strongly agree with this point.
Don't log out in the middle of the road unless you have to (like you're interrupted or something.)
I realize interruptions happen, and that sometimes crashes happen but within th last three months I've seen a LOT more of this:
PC: //good night everybody its been fun, I'm off to sleep
Everybody: //good night, bye, cya, ttyl, blah blah
PC: //*waves*
PC: *Logs off in the middle of the road with no RP explanation of the event whatsoever*
Don't do that
Anomas Analor Kamath - 7/24/2006 1:34 AM
sometimes people just leave the game screen in the MIDDLE of a roleplay action... thats just plain stupid, so don't, please.
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well some PWs actually give you an AFK widget that gives you an AFK visual. Its just an idea
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Well, and as valid as the complaint is, Talan, he's speaking of people sitting on a bench in Hlint. Heck, I've fallen asleep on REAL benches - it's not so unreasonable for someone to nod off while sitting in the sun. Most of the people I've travelled with recently tend to head off "into the woods" to "make camp" before they log, or into the Surge, or somewhere.
AFK in Hlint, however, I feel as perfectly acceptable - though sitting/lying down is preferable, if at all possible. And such players can always be RPed around. *grins*
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If a person was to fall asleep in a bench, i'd notice it in real life, 'cause she'd has her eyes closed and would have her head pending in some direction... what would certainly make me NOT speak with her... I've heard more than a few times people saying 'oh, she likes to daydream'... come on, does everyone have alzheimer in the game? That's not, IMHO, a good excuse whatsoever.
Talan, i hadn't thought of that, but it happened to me too... i mean, find an rp excuse to log off, not just some occ warning someone...
and Diamond, franckly, there's everything wrong with that... put your char somewhere people will probably not find... it's not like you're gonna DIE if you take one or two minutes longer before eating or drinking...
Dorganath, for you, i'm sorry i took this as granted, but you gotta agree with me... someone who is frequently away in the middle of rp actions or crowded areas deserve a warning... it's not someone who takes rp any serious if he doesn't fix this attitude..
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Actually, I respectfully disagree with you. We're not going to tell people they can't leave their keyboards or log out without warning or reasonable RP excuses for the simple reason that sometimes RL happens at unexpected times and with extreme urgency. We're not going to issue warnings or demerits or threaten people with banning because they step away.
Many of us here, myself included, have many things going on around us in real life. If something happens in my house that requires urgent attention, such as one of my children hurting themselves, I'm going to leave the keyboard, and I may not take the time to RP my way behind a building or even go so far as to type // afk. I may just get up and do so suddenly....because in all honesty, my concern is not what you or anyone else in the vicinity may think of my RP as a result. And when I come back, I may just need to log out, depending on the situation. I'm going to say "// sorry all, gotta log out" and then just go...no ceremony, no "oh I think I'll go nap behind the bank," no riding off into the sunset. Sorry...I'm just going to go. And again, if you or anyone else takes offense or exception to that, it's not my concern. I don't need to appease anyone when RL comes a-calling.
I'm in no way saying that this is the case all the time and for everyone, but I personally feel it would be unreasonable for us to expect people RP around RL situations just to satisfy some people's opinions on what "good RP" may be. Ask 100 people what their idea of good RP is, and you'll get 100 different answers.
If you personally see these things as important, then by all means, please do adhere to them in your own conduct. And I do understand how perhaps it can be annoying or frustrating. But I also understand why, at times, people may do just these things that seem to be getting you all worked up.
Perhaps you can explain to me why a warning should be issued for being afk without "proper" notice or RP? We'll give warnings, even temporary or permanent bannings, to people who are being disruptive, griefing. exploiting, cheating and so forth. But sitting idle in Hlint while people talk around you...that's none of the above. The worst offense there is taking up bench space, and that's not banable.
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I'm glad to hear that, Dorganath. I have a small child and those who know me can remember many times when I /tell "Baby screaming, gotta go" or "Baby hungry, gotta go" or "Baby fell over trying to climb the couch...gotta go!" or just //AFK...for however long it takes to fix the child's/husbands problem.
RL over RP.
Boss is screaming, gotta go! :P
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Anomas Analor Kamath - 7/25/2006 5:49 PM
If a person was to fall asleep in a bench, i'd notice it in real life, 'cause she'd has her eyes closed and would have her head pending in some direction... what would certainly make me NOT speak with her... I've heard more than a few times people saying 'oh, she likes to daydream'... come on, does everyone have alzheimer in the game? That's not, IMHO, a good excuse whatsoever.
Well, in my view I find this fine. If someone is suddenly AFK on the bench, and you walk along try to talk to the AFK person and the friend says "She's daydreaming" then thats fine - thats a good reason for her lack-of-response!
Is it better to say "Yes, her bottom is glued to the seat and she has tape around her mouth which I cannot reach and she hasn't asked me to remove it anyway, so I'm sat here to comfort her until she can do something about it herself"?
Too confusing :)
Dorganath, for you, i'm sorry i took this as granted, but you gotta agree with me... someone who is frequently away in the middle of rp actions or crowded areas deserve a warning... it's not someone who takes rp any serious if he doesn't fix this attitude..
Dorganath, I agree with you - I don't have kids at all but I have a persistant mother who likes to ask me to do several things for her to help around the house, or help her move some things about. Sometimes I have to go AFK like ten times maybe in the space of half an hour, or...my mother tends to ask me to "Do one thing for her" which then multiplies into twenty things for her. :) I don't mind helping her, but I wouldn't like to be banned for something that I couldn't avoid. (I'm a mothers boy hehe, I can't shout or rebel against my mum, it's not me, but if she says something I disagree on my voice is heard)
Hope this helps, and have a think - This is Layo and different, It's not too strict and not too loose, you don't get banned if you sneeze and have to go AFK to get a tissue, finding out you don't have any loo roll so you have to pop to the shops 5 miles away (Alright, a bit too far there hehe)
Edd.
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Edd: A persistent mother? Wow. Cool, is that like a mom who's there after every server reset?
Myself, I often "Glance up at the sun" and head off on "business" when RL calls.
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I've been watching this thread and have been swearing off responding, but I can't *not* post at this point.
@OP, I am a heavy duty RPer, but I also have three children, a husband, a dog and a cat. I also have a telephone and a life. Most who have RP'd with Lee will agree with the heavy duty RP statment. However(comma) if my middle son who has O.C.D. is whollping the ... out of one of my other kids because they've pushed him too far, your getting a "// emergency afk" and I am going to be gone untill it's managed. I'm not going to screw around with 'oh, i have to make a run to the tavern and take care of my orphans.' If the kids need lunch and I need an afk for 5 min while I throw some peanut butter sandwiches together: '/t "soandso' gotta go afk for five, keep talking.' If i'm not in the middle of something, I don't have issue with loggin out and saving on bandwidth.
as a heavy duty RPer, I don't mind if suddenly someone has to go for something, i.e. '... i'm late for work' or ' ma needs me to help her with the groceries.' I can finish up any last details in an I.C. PM tag session if needed or somethign like that. Part of being a great RPer in my personal opinion is being able to work with whatever your given, an afk character, 5 afk characters (group ran for a smoke break in a long run through firesteeps), or being surrounded by 10 people all trying to RP with you at once (it happens, ask Acacea!).
I'm getting a sence that this is about quality of RP, and that you are expecting everyone to RP to your standards. Not everyone on this server is an experienced gamer, and they have to learn somewhere. Some people have more hectic RL situations then others. I'm with miltonyorkcastle, RP with those who you like and don't with the ones you don't like their style. No one's twisting your arm to interact with every person on the server. If they didn't RP your ID and you don't like that, don't go back to that person for ID. I honestly don't see what is wrong with *folds her hand in her lap neatly* and then not responding to the person that is being ignored for the rest of the time that person is present. Sends a pretty clear message of being ignored. As to crafting: that stuff flies by in my chat box so fast sometimes, I miss RP, so I just run with it. *sees soandso, jumps and squeeks, dropping her berries on the floor.*
Personally I RP with everyone, even those whom I don't care for their style, because it's a personal challenge to keep up my quallity of RP. I'm far more offended by people who use words like, 'loot, dude, bro, hey man, s'up, yo' and other such commonly used words in a non-RP MMO situation, then I am for someone going afk, not RPing an ID(especially if it's a person who brings me their stuff to ID and it's the same objeect I have ID'd about 10 or 15 times before for them) or heaven forbid missing my RP because they were crafting.
I'm positive there are folks who don't like my sort of RP, Lee's present speaking pattern for one, has gotten me nasty little digging OOC tells from people. I'm not gonna hold it against them for not liking the RP (the nasty tells get the black mark tho!). But, I am going to keep on as I have been because I have been a gamer since I was eight years old (yay folks!) and I'm old and set in my ways. I apologize for the terse tone I'm probably using, but as I said, I find the general tone and implications from the OP offencive and I can't sit idly by and let people who are awesome RPers who do these things that are mentioned, get slammed about because they aren't good enough. I can't imagine I'm the only one getting riled.
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Personally, I don't plan to play any of this should i get myself three kids and a compromised life, really. This is the kind of time-spending fun which requires a great deal of attention and effort which, for obvious reasons, can't be handled when you're 30, is married, have children and work out. Suddenly, i expected people who don't have much to do with their lives to be playing here, and i stumbled upon a dozen married people, and that scares me, since i don't play to take my life virtual at that age.
At any rate, i respect people's decisions, primarily because i know not what decisions will I make at this age, so I can't blame any of you. All i'm asking now then, is that you plan before playing. What's that? Let's go for an example:
I do have a mother and six mess-with-everything cats, so I do have things to do... so, before sitting here and clicking nwn's icon, i do every single thing i have to before playing, so i won't have to stop in the middle of the rp... I ask my mother what she needs, take care of immediate situations, sit, and screw the world because, if she asks something of me while i'm here, i'm sorry, but i warned her i'd not be avaiable.
Suddenly i think i take this more seriously than most others, but people around me on UO used to do the same. Since they're younger, it's all understandable. So, my present urge is... your kid stuck a knife in it's belly? You dog just got screwed by the electrical fence? That's all right to me, but don't go afk if it isn't something important... and most people *will* agree with me when i say being hungry is NOT an immediate emergency.. you can still finish the rp situation, go away, log out, and eat at peace on your table enjoying some time together with family...
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So now we who are married, with children, don't meet with your approval because YOU would not play this game if you had kids?
That tears it.
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Yah, locked.
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Anomas Analor Kamath that is quite enough and I do not expect to readany other comments like that or even remotely approaching them. That is uncalled for, rude, mean spirited, and just wrong on many levels. I think it is time you find a different server if you feel that was appropriate.
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Some Final Thoughts:
Refrain from dictating how others should be leading their complete lives to revolve around your PC's life. It's a game.
It is a thin line to compare what works in any other community or gameworld to what works for the Layonara community.
Do not ever feel the need to justify what you feel is right for you when it comes to your involvement in the world. We like to cater to diversity.
Consider your tone when addressing the community through forum posts.
Have fun.