The World of Layonara
The Layonara Community => General Discussion => Topic started by: Anomas Analor Kamath on July 25, 2006, 05:31:03 PM
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I'm not gonna get into the details nor look for excuses...
I don't see my point as hollow, but I do see my way of expressing it was beyong boundaries of diplomacy.
Dorganath explained me the rudest of sentences in my thread, and I do apologize for it. I come from a server where average age is 17, with many people who barely reached the final years of school, so i had never imagined people here would be so much older. I myself am 18, probably one of the yougest[sp?] here, but one of the oldest there, so scenary here is pretty different, and I didn't adapt to it at first. What i meant in my last post, is that... i had never stoped to figure how my life would be at the age people seem to be here, and i though there'd be never time for a game. Once again, i never had an example, from family or friends, who carry this life, and i deemed it impossible. I'm sure now, it's not [and I do hope I can make the same, because playing this kind of thing is easily one of the best things in life =p].
I really don't think this is stupid or... irresponsable or... anything. I'm sorry for whatever bad impression i made it through my other thread, so i'm here apologizing. I do hope people don't carry grudges, and that we can have a better time in the future... both in and outgame. Hope the community and I can blend well in the coming months and years...
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Thank you for the apology. Just keep in mind what you are typing and how you are coming across. You should not try to force your style or your beliefs on others as every person is their own person and make their own decisions. Before hitting submit make sure you read things again and perhaps step away for 5-10 minutes at least so that you can think about things.
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Imagine yourself having time to play in the future, even with kids.
My son goes to bed every night at 7 and sleeps till about 6 a.m. So from 7 to 11ish, I'm free to play without guilt.
Some people with older children let them play the game with them (which is why our server is very very strict on mature topics and things like swearing).
Others only play when their kids are busy.
Some play and let thier kids watch and learn about online interaction.
It's very possible to play and not be neglectful parents. Being older doesn't mean that we gave any of our fun up :). We just have to schedule it a bit more.
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Everyone has their own views of how to play a game. The best thing about this game is that it can be played nearly any reasonable way the player sees fit. It's a free service, with exisiting rules and guidelines that have worked long since before you arrived.
The very fact that you have the maturity to post an apology shows a good measure of the content of your character. But in response to your other posts; we're granted the ability to read over what we type, think deeper into what it could mean, and express our thoughts in a clear and concise manner. That's the wonder of the submit button.
Anyway, welcome to Layonara, bud. :)
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I don't get to play nearly as often as I would like, Kids, work and other things I LIKE to do with my family restrict the number of hours I'm able to log on for any meaningfull gaming, but I try to be a part of the community on the forums and such. Getting older doesn't mean you don't get to have any fun anymore, but you perspective slides a little bit. I still enjoy immersive gaming like Layonara for my own personal enjoyment, but it doesn't hold a candle to the expression on my sons face when he colors a picture and presents it to me proudly, or the time spent building model boats to go float on the pond near our house.
It's all about perspective and priorities, thanks for putting your previous post into a more mature perspective in your own mind, and being adult enough to acknowledge that your opinion might have been based on a less then whole understanding of what the scenario is.
elcome to Layonara, no grudges held here.
Vyris
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I appreciate the understanding, I really do. But I believe that there will be long years ahead before i can manage my time that well... I believe this because even now, I've been unnable to do things as often as i'd like, or for as much long... But still, i do waste a lot of time, so who knows.
For these and other reasons, I don't feel even the slightest will to be a parent... but as one of you [and a whole lot more people in my life] said, perspective slides, and maybe I'll want to have kids later... that, i believe, only time will tell. Thinking deeper, the fact that people can manage their schedule this well makes me admire them... It's good to see it's possible.
For now, I'm happy this worked out, and will take the advice to think more about things before posting... and hope this doesn't happen again.
PS: Just as a side note, where do i request character deletion? [Please, don't delete it before i post it there]
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Character Deletion Requests (http://www.layonaraonline.com/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=14715&posts=4&start=1) is a thread sticked at the top of the approved characters forum. Give your bioware name, and the name of the character you need deleted and why, being specific if there is more than one copy.
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As a side note, if I had kids who were older than, say, 11, I'd probably actively encourage any interest they had in NWN or the roleplaying community as a whole, as I believe it encourages creativity and imagination. (And if they expressed an interest in module design, so much the better! ;) )
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darkstorme - 7/26/2006 10:21 AM
As a side note, if I had kids who were older than, say, 11, I'd probably actively encourage any interest they had in NWN or the roleplaying community as a whole, as I believe it encourages creativity and imagination. (And if they expressed an interest in module design, so much the better! ;) )
Boy, i've been trying endlessly to convince people there are inumerous reasons of playing a computer game, but no one believes me... it's good to see some understand it and is avaaiable to pass it to the next generation.
And thanks for the thread link ^^
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My kids go to bed, my wife watches TV, I really don't like TV, I read books and play Layo. During commercials she tells me about her day and other colorful anecdotes, during everything but intense combat I tell her about my day in RL and in Layo. When I was 18 I played pen and paper D&D almost everyday, after I finished my college homework *Ok not always after*
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I've got 3 little ones. The oldest is 7 and the youngest is 2. Time gets to be quite hard to manage sometimes. Real Life ALWAYS comes first. While it doesn't seem like you will work things out (I remember 18...wow...I feel really old now) in time, things will work themselves out.
Don't dispair, we all were where you're at...well, the majority of us anyway.
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Your not the youngest mate, to start off I'm 17 and lead many parties around Layonara and people are suprised by my age. But also I lead parties due to my character (A cleric, high wisdom, a bit of charisma and average intelligence). However there are some people as young as 9 that I have come across. So you get a whole age range here and it's great to sometimes have OOC conversations (By tells) with different age groups.
Myself, I love kids, I find them funny and don't mind if they get immature or naughty, I work with kids at my shop, Clarks, and have to fit shoes on some of the most stubbern and screaming kids! But I don't mind because I love to see their confused expressions on their faces saying "What in the world is on my feet, they are like bricks!" when it's their first shoes and stumble about. And I'm starting to find talking to them easier, they come out with the strangest things!
Can't wait to see you in game mate! I look forward to see how you RP! :)
Edd.
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It's (in my opinion) almost impossible to tell the age of another person on internet. Especially in game (if you are going for the IC-chat only route).
And, would it shock you if I said I were 67 years old? Or, 13? :)
Because of this, "age" hasn't got any real meaning. Which also is one of the nicest things with the net. It doesn't matter if you are young or old, male or female, a living person or a bot ( ;) )... Everyone's equal!
(Oh... by the way... I'm neither 67 or 13! :P )
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I think Im actually more impressed when someone goes AFK to ( check on the kids.....or help the wife)..... than when its to ( finish homework.......or help mum).
As Weeblie says.....I dont really care how old the player is.....its how they play their character that intrests me.
( 28....no kids.....Pam may as well be my wife though)
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Philosopher - 7/27/2006 4:13 AM Your not the youngest mate, to start off I'm 17 and lead many parties around Layonara and people are suprised by my age. But also I lead parties due to my character (A cleric, high wisdom, a bit of charisma and average intelligence). However there are some people as young as 9 that I have come across. So you get a whole age range here and it's great to sometimes have OOC conversations (By tells) with different age groups. Myself, I love kids, I find them funny and don't mind if they get immature or naughty, I work with kids at my shop, Clarks, and have to fit shoes on some of the most stubbern and screaming kids! But I don't mind because I love to see their confused expressions on their faces saying "What in the world is on my feet, they are like bricks!" when it's their first shoes and stumble about. And I'm starting to find talking to them easier, they come out with the strangest things! Can't wait to see you in game mate! I look forward to see how you RP! :) Edd.
The best ever was when Vy fell asleep at the keyboard and his son took the helm and drove "Mr. Gnome" around Hlint gathering "Paint Brushes" and Buckets without realizing that it wasn't the OC and that there were acctually other people in the game. And then Mith posted in grievances all upset that some gnome had run into the kitchen and stole his barley and buckets right off the bench in front of him. hehehe, that still cracks me up.
Hide yer barley lads! Mr. Gnome's afoot!
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Heheh, I almost fell from the chair laughing again reading about the little gnome and his crusade for paintbrushes. :)
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Try this for an AFK moment:
Set up: Wife was shopping and I had put the three kids (4 year old twin boys and their 3 year old brother) to bed for the night. I was looking forward to a long night of Layo with Gulnyr and the return of Vyris. Jennara, Berdin, and Klaug were just about to set off when I hear three different voices yelling, “DADDY!” So I sigh and send the “//AFK” and run upstairs to see what was going on. Turns out:
- Twin #1 had a #2 accident in his pajamas.
- Twin #2 said he was going to throw up.
- Three year old wanted me to rock him back to sleep.
So after a clean set of pajamas, a bucket to throw up in, and rocking chair, I finally got the three to sleep. It might have been ten minutes, it might have been a half an hour, I don’t recall. But I get back to the game and Jennara and Berdin had decided that Klaug needed time to prepare so they went on their own for a while. The three eventually met up and had a grand time (although Klaug lost a Soul Strand that night--maybe the kids were trying to tell me something).
Point is, you can try to prepare for a gaming session all you want but sometimes unexpected things happen, whether it is kids crying or internet issues or falling asleep at the keyboard. This is a game and real life ALWAYS comes first. Most, if not all, of the players here understand that.
A final note: twin #2 never did throw up, thank goodness!
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Oh, and you just might find, as I do, that RPing in a fantasy setting like Layo is a much needed break from reality (see my post above). Talk about stress relief.
Boss on your case: Take out some giants in Saudiria.
Someone cuts you off in traffic: Chip off some nuggets with your pick.
Wife is mad at you for playing too much Layo: Buy her flowers.
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jjkolb - 7/27/2006 10:00 AM
Wife is mad at you for playing too much Layo: Buy her flowers.
In Fort Hope, right?
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I am always going AFK to take care of my boy (3 years old). There are times when I am in a bad place but just have to get up and go to him, I am glad that most of the time other player understand and "stand guard" over my char while I am gone. So thank to you all who have done that.
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I do understand things happen, and that you can't control enviroment... but i've run into Rhynn, for example, four times in two days... and in ALL four times she went AFK without a warning in the middle of a conversation... am I so wrong to be upset about this? I do even ignore her now... but this never, ever happened to me while playing Ultima Online.. and now, four times in a weekend with the same person... frankly, i don't think I'll ever adjust to this. Is this so common to happen to you? Four real life emergencies in two days?
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Personally, after reading all these rants and accusations, I don't feel very motivated to interact with you either. Go figure...
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Anomas Analor Kamath - 7/27/2006 9:12 PM
I do understand things happen, and that you can't control enviroment... but i've run into Rhynn, for example, four times in two days... and in ALL four times she went AFK without a warning in the middle of a conversation... am I so wrong to be upset about this? I do even ignore her now... but this never, ever happened to me while playing Ultima Online.. and now, four times in a weekend with the same person... frankly, i don't think I'll ever adjust to this. Is this so common to happen to you? Four real life emergencies in two days?
Okay :) I'll make a deal with you. You come to my house and wait on my very sick mother who needs attention at the drop of a hat, and I wont go AFK on short or no notice
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By the sound of Rhynn's response, it doesn't sound like you bothered to ask her about it before complaining about her publically on the forums. Why?
Yes, it can get annoying. Yes, certainly boring. If it happens to me, I either carry on the conversation, wait patiently, or exchange goodbyes and assume they are returned by the character, and leave. Explaining in a tell, if necessary. No one is forcing you to adjust to Rhynn being afk for her personal reasons. Simply avoid her as you would any whose playing styles are not really compatible with yours.
The last two days for me have been fraught with emergency AFKs, which is unusual for me. I've also been playing mostly with people who have no problem with that, and who are perfectly capable of either entertaining themselves or going about their business while I take care of mine. I would certainly not blame them for telling my spaced character that they're going to run and do something else quickly, and I am not forcing them to wait for me anymore than you are being forced to wait for anyone. I am glad that I seem to travel with fairly understanding people, though, which is not the case for everyone.
a) Communication. If you have a problem with someone, isn't it ideal to speak to them before everyone else?
b) Frequency. No, it's not normal. No, it doesn't happen all the time, or really even that often, in my experience. It does happen though, which leads to
c) Entertain yourself. If you've got better things to do than sit around waiting for the 5th afk in one night, then do them. ;) They'll understand.
It seems like it would have been easier to conclude this thread with the original "I'm sorry," and "No problem."
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On a lighter note, the other night right in the middle of some hilarious gaming, and a very dangerous dungeon my kid flips his lid (the details are mundane and well known to all parents). The people I am playing with are the kind that will stand there guarding my character for a long time, even if it endangers them; I love heroes. I decide better to log then put my comrades in danger, I make a quick excuse run around a corner and my character disappears. I come back to layo the next day with my character deep in a dangerous place, its pitch black, I don't know where I am going and I am freezing cold. I actually made it back to Hlint and not via bindstone express. That RL emergency made for some tense and exciting gaming.
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About pitch black... why does sometimes, the map resets? It would be great to keep in the map all areas you've been through...
PS: I was just asking a question and stating my decision which was recommended by the players themselves, no need to get offended.
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The map resets when the server restarts (after crashing).
Unfortunately, it's not possible to save the game map, so we have to live with it. :(