The World of Layonara
The NWN Persistent World => Layonara Server => Topic started by: Leanthar on August 31, 2006, 09:13:02 AM
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Hello there folks. The world is absolutely flooded with special races and subraces and we are putting a hold on all of them for a while--at least several months.
Until further notified the ONLY races that will be approved are as follows: Human Elf Dwarf Gnome Halfling Half-Elf Half-Orc This takes affect as of 8/31/2006 at 9:15am PDT. Any character submitted prior to this time will be grandfathered in and could be approved.
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Are half-orc's included in the subrace hold? As they are a "standard" nwn race?
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Yes. Half-orc and Half-elves are on hold.
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I had an Aasimar character approved as either monk or paladin,
but since I couldn't make up my mind it was removed from
submissions after awhile. Does it count as an exception?
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Anything that was approved before that post is still approved. If it was being worked on (actively worked on) it will be an exception.
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Why are half-orcs restricted? They're D&D Core and have been for a *long* time.
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But they are an extremly rarity on Layonara... ;)
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Unless one enters a tavern, then the local population is about 80% half-orc...
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Tabax - 9/17/2006 12:52 AM Why are half-orcs restricted? They're D&D Core and have been for a *long* time.
Primarily because Leanthar wants them restricted. Half-elves are also restricted, which have been a staple of D&D longer than half-orcs. The more "standard" races may loosen up before the custom subraces, but for the time being, they're not permitted.
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As a newcomer it seems a bit unfair to see you suddenly close off so many basic subraces.
Why didnt you somehow alter the flow earlier before it became such a great a problem requiring this much of a ban?
Now you have an elitist situation. Will anything be done to adjust this beyond the basic ban?
Crikey, all I wanted to try was a wood elf. :o
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It is a question of balance Defender. There was a period a little while ago when the majority of Hlint (the starting town in Layo) appeared to drow. Once the correct proportions are applied again i would guess L will slacken the rule
I would guess that given time the rules will slowly be relaxed - ie the next satge is sub-races permitted for people who already have at least two chars of a basic type etc
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Nibor21 - 9/26/2006 5:00 AM
I would guess that given time the rules will slowly be relaxed - ie the next satge is sub-races permitted for people who already have at least two chars of a basic type etc
I doubt this particular option will be chosen.
It is more likely that first the more basic subraces will become available, while the one that were most over used will be held closed for a longer period (most notably drow and half giants.)
Defender7 - The current closure of subrace applications is by no means a permanant situation. Wood elves will surely be open again at some point in the (probably near) future. I don't recall wood elves in particular being over populated nor are they supposed to be as rare in the surface world as some of the other subraces. I imagine they will be opened up in.. probably the second wave of re-openings (half-elves and half-orcs being in the first.)
Note: This is my educated speculation about how the situation will likely be resolved in time and is not based on any special information that I am privy to.
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defender7 - 9/26/2006 4:53 AM As a newcomer it seems a bit unfair to see you suddenly close off so many basic subraces. Why didnt you somehow alter the flow earlier before it became such a great a problem requiring this much of a ban? Now you have an elitist situation. Will anything be done to adjust this beyond the basic ban? Crikey, all I wanted to try was a wood elf. :o
Just to kind of put things in perspective.....
First of all, there are no "basic" subraces in NWN. Every single subrace we support is custom. There are only 2 basic races that were limited, and those are the "half-" races. It's a little presumptuous to ask why we didn't do this or that. Fact is, we have done such things in the past, but ultimately we try to put the responsibility in the hands of the community rather than putting down more rules to enforce. Unfortunately, we were disappointed.
Layonara has also entered a new age. During the last age, player characters were "Dragon called", and as such they were called to a duty based on criteria that only the dragon knew. The result was that very unusual characters were called, many of whom would not normally be tolerated. We're now in the Dark Ages, and it is a time of strife of a different kind, the Dragon Called having completed their task. The troubles facing the world not are more mundane. Trust is very hard to come by. There is hunger, crop failure, etc. Drow would not be welcomed. Wood elves aren't likely to leave their forests for the world of Humans, etc. When everyt 5-10 submissions is a drow, and that drow is a friendly, happy drow, things have to change. When people pick their subraces for maximizing their bonuses rather than for RP value, things have to change. This is why things were restricted.
So yes, at some time, we'll relax the restrictions, but for right now, the only really important reason right now is that Leanthar wants those races restricted. It's not elitist, it's to address a problem that despite our requests was not adequately addressed by the community itself.
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so when can we use sub-races again?
can i put in a request now so when the time comes i am on the list allready?
will that work?
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If you put it in now it will be ignored and deleted after a few days, sorry.
I will slowly open them up over time. No time table yet.
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well, I'll be the one to say it
THANKS!!! I agree that special races took over, and I think this is a great thing
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Whats the problem with people having sub races? Isnt limiting the people's choice also limiting the RPing? Anyhow, i was kind of excited with my sub raced character, even made it a cool story.... >.< Guess ill have to make a filler meanwhile....wont be the same though :(
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Bahdom, the main reason why there is a hold on these races is because previously the character submissions were primarily all the subraces, and therefore there was an imbalance. If there is too much of an imbalance this can detract from what Leanthar has described the world to be.
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Hmm, but what difference is there if i make an elf than if i make a wood elf? Stats/society are different true, but an elf is an elf ^^
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People were taking subraces for stats, not their RP.
Subraces by their very definitions should be much rarer than the standard races, and yet they outnumbered any of the normal races.
To take the perhaps most abused one, the Drow...when one could not count to 10 between Drow submissions, there's a problem. Drow on the surface should be outcasts, but also very rare, as most who become outcasts don't live long enough to make it to the surface. They should at least attempt to act like dark elves, but instead, they were portayed as "elves with suntans".
Half-giants were chosen to be fighters because of their strength bonuses. Tieflings and halfling subraces were chosen for rogue submissions. Aasimar paladins of Toran/Aeridin/Rofirein were about as common as coffee at Starbucks.
Simply put, the community took it too far, and so we put down limits.
At some point in the future, those restrictions may relax, but for now, we have very good reasons for doing as we have done.
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Half-Orcs and Half-Elves may now be applied for as of this moment.
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just wondering since it's been over a month since a reply has been done if anymore races were "adventuring away from their homes" getting used to the Dark Ages a bit ect? I'm assuming no and was pretty much just doing a reminder with this question.
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*smiles* I'm sure L will keep us updated by posting here when this has been lifted Sab. If a subrace suits your fancy keep watching this forum for changes.
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definitely will do im waiting for forest gnome :)
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bummer i wanted to make my first char and spent two hours making a bio to find i cant make that char now as the race is banned :( and the race i choose set into motion like everything in that toons bio. sad sad.
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You can always keep that bio until later when the races are opened up again, and submit a more common race first instead. :)
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so just out of curiosity what races will be approved for character submissions at this time ?
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@Krug, currently the only approved races are those listed in the first post above (in this thread).
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Only the Bioware Standard races. No subraces. Or to list:
Human Half-elf Elf Halfling Dwarf Half-Orc
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By chance would a Kobold ever be approved?
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Kobolds are not currently a playable race that we support. So without support, no.
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How long before Goblins were to open up again?
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No timeline has been set for the allowance of any special races.
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I guess it's my turn to bug the admins. Sorry, I realise no timeline has been set, but do you have a vague idea on how much longer you're holding off on the less abused subraces? I am really keen to create a kithairien cleric, but race is kind of important on this one (ie Wild Elf).
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It will likely be at the start of V3, which is coming. :)
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how long until V3 comes d'ya think? :O
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When it's ready.
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Is it ready now? How about now? Now? What about now? Now?
Sorry... I had to...
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Dorganath - 1/31/2007 5:02 PM
When it's ready.
Don't pull this duke nukem forever stuff ;)
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All restrictions are lifted.
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Woo! Though, of course, now there'll be a FLOOD of subraces and evil or evil-ish characters, just because so many have wanted to play for so long.
I'm holding on to my submission for a while, and tweaking it to make it great. I'd advise everyone else who's thinking of submitting for a subrace or for evil (or CN) to hold off a while.
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I'm not gonna bother with a new pc. I already have trouble with the three I have already. I'm gonna stick to basically one and develop him exclusively, going to the others every once and a while for variation.
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Stephen_Zuckerman - 3/1/2007 7:44 AM
I'm holding on to my submission for a while, and tweaking it to make it great. I'd advise everyone else who's thinking of submitting for a subrace or for evil (or CN) to hold off a while.
I think you're probably right. I've been looking into reusing an older character of mine, but I'm already having my doubts. By a quick skim of the submissions he'd be at least the fifth drow in the last two days. Which is a shame, the world really needs a cleric of Ca'duz ;)
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We have at least one cleric of Ca'Duz.
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feniox - 3/1/2007 5:35 PM
Stephen_Zuckerman - 3/1/2007 7:44 AM
I'm holding on to my submission for a while, and tweaking it to make it great. I'd advise everyone else who's thinking of submitting for a subrace or for evil (or CN) to hold off a while.
I think you're probably right. I've been looking into reusing an older character of mine, but I'm already having my doubts. By a quick skim of the submissions he'd be at least the fifth drow in the last two days. Which is a shame, the world really needs a cleric of Ca'duz ;)
There is one fine, community loving, good hearted, fun loving, hero of the lands Cleric of Caduz out there.
Well he might not be all of that, but he is a cleric of Ca'Duz and has been in play since 2004 and is rather active. Look him up in game!
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You're joking? How could I have remained oblivious to such a character for so long? I will have to be more vigilant!
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Well maybe he's RPing his race and deity well and not running around saying, "Hi, I'm , Priest of the Lord of Spiders, the great Baraeon Ca'Duz. I'm really nice. Can I have a hug?"
;)
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Ya mean he dont have spiders crawling all over him?
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Why do i suddenly feel as if I'm being patronized? >:/
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feniox - 3/2/2007 5:01 AM
You're joking? How could I have remained oblivious to such a character for so long? I will have to be more vigilant!
Well the Cleric of Ca'Duz I know of doesn't "Hide" that he is a drow or that he loves spiders...
He just doesn't run around in the cities braging about it and trying to enforce his beliefs.
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Or take his helm off and parade around, or whine 'Im a good drow, i hate them, they are evil! Accept me for who I am, not for my race! I need a hug"
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Rhetorics, people. The question didn't really require an answer.
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I see so many of the special races running around.Now we will see who will stick it out. With the ECLs many will give up on their new characters because they will see their xps per kill is really low.
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Actually with places like the red light mines they will get awesome xp (as a low level gets less xp there)
At level 10 i get 150 per kill... so they can go there until they're 8 and then go to dregar and get good xp (you get high xp there the higher level you are til 15 or so) :/
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since when are we about xp per kill
even if we get 1 xp per does it matter when and where we go places as base races or subraces?
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Yeah um...let's not give strategies for XP farming and power-leveling, shall we?
And keep this thread on-topic.