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The Layonara Community => General Discussion => Topic started by: ShiffDrgnhrt on January 03, 2007, 10:06:19 AM
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I'm not sure if it's possible or not, since i havent been crafting i game yet, but I the Vanilla Neverwinter Nights there s a suit of light armor thats chain mail. Can such a suit be crafted? Or is there even one available in game? In NWN it was called Aslyferund Elven Chain and counted as Type 1 Light armor. Just curious
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It is not currently craftable.
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Oooh. I like the sound of that.
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Yeah me too :P
Elvenchains are an all time favorite :)
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actually i think there is a chainmail that's light armor, if not then medium armor, but at any rate, it takes both cotton and copper ingots to make lemme see if i can dig up anything...
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Faldred - 1/4/2007 10:54 AM How to make copper chainmail Collect:7 Nuggets of copper
4 Cotton
[/list] Go to Tailor's Table (Craft Hall and requires sewing kit and equipped tailor's needle) with:
2 Cotton
[/list]You (may) now have one bolt of cloth (need two). Go to Tailor's Table (Craft Hall and requires sewing kit and equipped tailor's needle) with:
2 Bolts of cloth
1 Book of patterns (will be returned)
[/list]You (may) now have one chainmail pattern. Go to Public Forge (Smithy or Craft Hall) with:
1 Nugget of copper
[/list]You (may) now have one ingot of copper (requires seven). Go to Armor Crafting Anvil (Smithy and requires quipped smith's hammer) with:
1 Chainmail pattern
7 Ingots of copper
[/list]You (may) now have one suit of copper chainmail.
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I wonder if mithril counts as light :s
it should
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It had better. Mithril in NWN2 is light in strong just like Tolkien made it out to be, so If someone could make a suit of Mithril Chain that would be awesome
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There are mithril armors circulating in game...
It's just a matter of having completely insane amount of gold, a persuade skill of 100+ and lots of halfling luck to find anyone willing to sell theirs. :P
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Are they light though? or just chainmails with +500000 armor class? :P
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ShiffDrgnhrt - 1/3/2007 11:06 AM
I'm not sure if it's possible or not, since i havent been crafting i game yet, but I the Vanilla Neverwinter Nights there s a suit of light armor thats chain mail. Can such a suit be crafted? Or is there even one available in game? In NWN it was called Aslyferund Elven Chain and counted as Type 1 Light armor. Just curious
There is no chain mail in NWN that is light armor. Period.
However there is a Padded Armor named Asyferund Elven Chain.
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ShiffDrgnhrt - 1/31/2007 1:16 PM
It had better. Mithril in NWN2 is light in strong just like Tolkien made it out to be, so If someone could make a suit of Mithril Chain that would be awesome
This is because NWN2 uses D&D 3.5 rules where Chain Shirts are light armor.
NWN1 uses 3.0 rules where they are medium armor.
Blame WotC (at least I think that is a 3.0 difference not just an NWN difference.)
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Talan Va'lash - 1/31/2007 1:09 PM
ShiffDrgnhrt - 1/3/2007 11:06 AM
I'm not sure if it's possible or not, since i havent been crafting i game yet, but I the Vanilla Neverwinter Nights there s a suit of light armor thats chain mail. Can such a suit be crafted? Or is there even one available in game? In NWN it was called Aslyferund Elven Chain and counted as Type 1 Light armor. Just curious
There is no chain mail in NWN that is light armor. Period.
However there is a Padded Armor named Asyferund Elven Chain.
wrong, chain shirt bro. check the anvil or armor recipees, udner light armor it lists chain shirt. which imo is chainmail.
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Jearick Hgar - 2/1/2007 4:25 AM
wrong, chain shirt bro. check the anvil or armor recipees, udner light armor it lists chain shirt. which imo is chainmail.
It is listed in the incorrect section then.
The heaviest armor that is still considered light armor for purposes of armor proficiency etc. in NWN are the 3/4 armors. Studded Leather Armor and Hide Armor.
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Talan Va'lash - 2/1/2007 3:42 AM
Jearick Hgar - 2/1/2007 4:25 AM
wrong, chain shirt bro. check the anvil or armor recipees, udner light armor it lists chain shirt. which imo is chainmail.
It is listed in the incorrect section then.
The heaviest armor that is still considered light armor for purposes of armor proficiency etc. in NWN are the 3/4 armors. Studded Leather Armor and Hide Armor.
There are appearances for the lgiht armors, i think only the studded leather section though, for chain mail, not to mention you could jsut throw the elven chainmail looking robe ontop of the out fit and call it chainmail. or there's a million of other thigns you could do. on one server a guy who could only wear light armor, did some fancy thigns with colors and completly played it off liek he was wearign full plate, took a good eye to catch that he wasn't.
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Don't forget there is a big difference between a wearing a Chain Shirt, and wearing full Chain Mail.
The former is just what it says: A simple tunic, usually with short arms, of chain links. In RL this could weight as little as 6-10lbs
Chain Mail or Chain Armour is a full suit of chain mail. Think tunic with long sleeves, coif, greaves (translation, a chain helm, and full length chain leggings. Often the mail will be doubled in vulnerable areas. A suit could easily weigh 40-50lbs
Suffice to say that for a suit of Chain Armour to be considered "light" in anyone's mind, is going to take some enchantments, or might strange materials ;)
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Well its in the Forgotten Realms.... anyway I thought It might be possible seeing as how it existed in the orginal NWN. And a chain shirt SHOULD be considered light armor seeing how its only a chain shirt
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Shiff: There was NOT a suit of Chainmail in NWN that was light armor. It was only CALLED Chainmail. It was really Padded Armor.
Chain shirts did in fact change from Medium to Light between 3.0 and 3.5. However!
Even in 3.0, items made of Mithril DID NOT RECEIVE ANY ENHANCEMENT BONUS.
All they got was the following:
- Armor Type reduced to a minimum of Light
- AC check penalty reduced by 4
- Weight halved
- Max Dex Bonus increased by 2
- Spell failure reduced by (I think) 25%
So... For a set of Mithril Fullplate, you'd end up with the following stats:
Medium armor, AC 8, Armor Check -6, 25lbs, Max Dex 3, Spell Failure 50%
Likewise, a suit of mithril chainmail (usually referred to as Elven Chainmail) would have the following stats:
Light armor, AC 5, Armor check -1, however many pounds, Max Dex 4, Spell Failure - (I believe).
A mithril weapon didn't confer any bonuses except to be lighter, and be harder to destroy.
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The same is not true here on Layo, though (I believe). :)
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hmm. I saw a pesuedo 3.5 hak for nwn..wonder if that would work *he ponders*
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Even in 3.0, items made of Mithril DID NOT RECEIVE ANY ENHANCEMENT BONUS.
All they got was the following:
- Armor Type reduced to a minimum of Light
- AC check penalty reduced by 4
- Weight halved
- Max Dex Bonus increased by 2
- Spell failure reduced by (I think) 25%
So... For a set of Mithril Fullplate, you'd end up with the following stats:
Medium armor, AC 8, Armor Check -6, 25lbs, Max Dex 3, Spell Failure 50%
Likewise, a suit of mithril chainmail (usually referred to as Elven Chainmail) would have the following stats:
Light armor, AC 5, Armor check -1, however many pounds, Max Dex 4, Spell Failure - (I believe).
A mithril weapon didn't confer any bonuses except to be lighter, and be harder to destroy.
So I'm guessing this doesnt apply to Layonara? Or are there such things as Mithril Items craftable or otherwise in Layo?
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Mithril equates to +3 in Layonaran terms.
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*nods to Rayenoir* Yep. And people sell their first borns for mithril
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Cool, where can i get some :-P
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Stephen_Zuckerman - 2/1/2007 3:20 PM
Chain shirts did in fact change from Medium to Light between 3.0 and 3.5. However!
Even in 3.0, items made of Mithril DID NOT RECEIVE ANY ENHANCEMENT BONUS.
All they got was the following:
- Armor Type reduced to a minimum of Light
- AC check penalty reduced by 4
- Weight halved
- Max Dex Bonus increased by 2
- Spell failure reduced by (I think) 25%
So... For a set of Mithril Fullplate, you'd end up with the following stats:
Medium armor, AC 8, Armor Check -6, 25lbs, Max Dex 3, Spell Failure 50%
Likewise, a suit of mithril chainmail (usually referred to as Elven Chainmail) would have the following stats:
Light armor, AC 5, Armor check -1, however many pounds, Max Dex 4, Spell Failure - (I believe).
A mithril weapon didn't confer any bonuses except to be lighter, and be harder to destroy.
Yeah, this is/was the PnP rule (or close enough to it, I don't have the sources in front of me.)
However, in NWN base armor type statistics are immutable with the exception of spell failure and weight which can be adjusted via the weight reduction and reduced spell failure properties.
Base armor class, max dex bonus and proficiency category (light/medium/heavy) can not be modified.
Well, to be 100% acurate, they can be, but it takes a bunch of work and doesn't even work right heh.
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Rayenoir - 2/1/2007 10:38 PM
Mithril equates to +3 in Layonaran terms.
Whats that mean? Like, Uber-mazingly awesomeness-like? (horrible use of english)
As in, The Best Damn CRN Period?
As in, a Astral Blade +3?
As in.... GOD?!
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ShiffDrgnhrt - 2/1/2007 9:25 PM
Rayenoir - 2/1/2007 10:38 PM
Mithril equates to +3 in Layonaran terms.
Whats that mean? Like, Uber-mazingly awesomeness-like? (horrible use of english)
As in, The Best Damn CRN Period?
As in, a Astral Blade +3?
As in.... GOD?!
As in, Enchantment Bonus +3 or Armor Bonus +3 for weapons and armor respectively
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People sell their first borns for an extra 3 AC?... :O
Meh, technically a Mithril chainmail is only better by 1AC compared to a copper fullplate :/ if you take into consideration max dex bonus, otherwise they're the same.
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Witch Hunter - 2/2/2007 11:41 AM
People sell their first borns for an extra 3 AC?... :O
Meh, technically a Mithril chainmail is only better by 1AC compared to a copper fullplate :/ if you take into consideration max dex bonus, otherwise they're the same.
The extra AC isn't all... There are... umm... some other bonuses too. :P
If you think that's silly, you better not hear about people who are selling their souls for a mithril weapon (which is no better than a copper weapon at all, due to the fact that GMW exists). :)
Buuut... These are only pure mechanical benefits.
You miss the most important aspect by only looking at what bonuses the weapon gives: Coolness.
If you run around saying that you are using a copper fullplate, people will laugh at you and/or think you are mad ("huh?"). On the other hand... If you run around with a Mithril Chainmail... People will most probably be "Oooooh"-ing instead! :D
Same goes for the Mithril weapons!
(That's why a lot of expensive things "aren't really worth it", but still, people would trade their grandmother for them!)
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Actually that's pretty much correct lol, I'd oooh at someone with a mithril chainmail!
:P other bonuses? like?
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Buy one and you will find out! ;)
Don't want to spoil the surprise for you! Hehehehe...
(Not that I've ever bought one, buuuut...)
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I KILL U >: (
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ShiffDrgnhrt - 2/1/2007 11:16 PM
Cool, where can i get some :-P
Which, mithril or firstborns?
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MITHRIL... I know where to get firstborns....
And whats a GMW?
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ShiffDrgnhrt - 2/2/2007 10:23 AM
MITHRIL... I know where to get firstborns....
And whats a GMW?
GMW = shorthand for Greater Magic Weapon, an arcane spell available to most arcane spellcasters that temporarilly boost's the attack bonus of the target weapon.
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ShiffDrgnhrt - 2/2/2007 8:23 AM
MITHRIL... I know where to get firstborns....
And whats a GMW?
Greater magic Weapon
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That's the ENHANCEMENT bonus, not just attack bonus.
Enhancement adds to attack and damage.
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So... where does one find Mithril...
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CNR can't be told OOC. So you are outta luck. Maybe look for pesky dark skinned elves. I hear They have all the cool stuff.
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Pesky Dark Skinned elves Eh? I know where to find them.... Hlint... *starts digging a hole in the center of town*
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ShiffDrgnhrt - 2/2/2007 6:40 PM
So... where does one find Mithril...
... where one finds death? :)
A Mithril Mining Trip (TM) is just another name for Soulmother's Soul Strand Slicing Service (TM). :P
As with all high end CNR stuff, few people knows the exact locations. Part of the fun to either:
(a) Explore and finds the places by yourself (dangerous!!).
(b) Find the people in question and rolls a high enough on persuade to make them tell!
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I will get my hands on Mithril... SOMEDAY!!! And when I do... I'm gonna give it all away ... Because I can....