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The Layonara Community => General Discussion => Topic started by: Stephen_Zuckerman on February 12, 2007, 08:19:59 PM
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http://www.layonaraonline.com/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=7465&posts=39&start=1
http://www.layonaraonline.com/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=33950&posts=21&start=1
The second is more in reference to cutting back on OOC than anything.
The first stands.
Seriously, people, this stuff isn't hard to remember, and it doesn't go away just because it's been a little while since the DMs yelled at you for it.
Do you know what Pyyran would do if he saw a Dire Spider in Hlint? Kill it, take its venom sack, and feed the rest to Grok. What can he ACTUALLY do when it's really a PC, thanks to the PvP rules? Flounder while I try to get a DM or WL in there so I can kill the bloody berk, and in the downtime, that polymorphed PC would just dismiss the spell, and I'd have been denied the chance to do as my character would.
After all, we can't have dangerous monsters roaming around eating the commoners. Gods, it's not difficult to remember.
Ditto to non-informative dangerous spellcasting in the middle of towns... Fireball, for example, or the big bloody fiasco over Darkness.
Can we just program Garent's AI to gank anyone casting at all? Or with a weapon drawn? Or... Ugh.
*Stalks off, frustrated, to go mend clothes in RL.*
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Here, here! I agree whole-heartedly with you! I can think of quite a few occasions where I spent 30 minutes or more as Melanna 'escorting' such characters or their summons/familiars/animal companions out of Hlint because it was the -only- immediate thing I could role-play her doing to protect the common folk from the fear that seeing such things in town would have engendered. Heck, I remember one instance where it was the character of a DM with a hellhound that I was trying to get to leave, which I found quite sad really.
As to programming Garent to attack folks who wander about with weapons drawn in town, I'm pretty sure that can be done as I've seen it on another server. I imagine as well there may be a way to have hostility of NPC's triggered when spells are cast too. But...I think Leanthar would prefer people ot police themselves in this matter and RP sensibly.
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We need Cowled Wizards
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Nehetsrev - 2/12/2007 1:17 AM
As to programming Garent to attack folks who wander about with weapons drawn in town, I'm pretty sure that can be done as I've seen it on another server. I imagine as well there may be a way to have hostility of NPC's triggered when spells are cast too. But...I think Leanthar would prefer people ot police themselves in this matter and RP sensibly.
But what happens if Garent gets killed? ;)
And for the last 80 years or whatever the number, folks have been doing strange things in hlint, weird beasts, demons have shown up, so the town folks are used to the strange doings of adventures. Plus they see Ozy around, if that guy isn't strange and scary enough, I don't know what is!
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Ah, but with beasts and demons, people can just run and hide. With spiders/trolls, a mob/Garent could reasonably be expected to kill them. (and if Garent dies, I'm sure the Ilsareans will raise him. He's a good, conscientious man, I'm sure he carries a Soul Stone.)
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Just because "Wierd things" happen often, doesn't mean SUMMONING AN UNDEAD SHADE IN THE MIDDLE OF TOWN would just be giggled at as another eccentric adventurer.
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Now that is a true statement if I have ever heard one. *still thinks the sarcastic undead shade is funny, and the PC that is in love with him is even funnier*
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Witch Hunter - 2/13/2007 3:15 AM
We need Cowled Wizards
We are not in Amn, regardless of there being a Shadow Thieves Guild. However, that would be funny. *casts darkness* "Halt sorcerer, you're coming with us."
"NO!!!!!"
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Not to mention we're living in a country that up until recently had a Lucindite has the Queen. Smart useage of magic in town will not get you in trouble, however I have to agree about being Polymorphed. It usually will only result in metagaming. I'll call it aroleplayingfaux pas. If you're polymorphed via the level 4 or level 9 spell, or any assortment of the druid and shifter wildshapes, you should be aware of the fact that if it was not for the No PvP rule there is a very likely chance you would be attacked. A troll with a blue glow is no different than a troll with a red glow. It can promote good RP, and I have seen it, but it limits the actions of others to roleplay their character.
It's a fine line in my opinion. Do it smartly and everything is fine, but be aware of the no PvP rule and do not hide behind it.
EDIT - on a side note, we ought to get a list together of the RP faux pas. Things that aren't entirely against any rules, but that are in bad form or just not RPing.
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How are people supposed to deal with this kind of thing RPwise? I saw some of this, but just ignored it, because I didn't know how to approach it, given the PvP rules. Some things I can reasonably RP (*shakes head in disgust*), but situations where my character's reaction should be to attack without thinking, I really don't know how to handle. Obviously, this isn't the best RP, since paradoxically it means that I react the least to things that should provoke the strongest reaction. Any advice?
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heh heh this certainly works, except I just saw both a pet and familiar even at the same time in Hlint. If you really wanted this rule to work, you should put a sign up in Hlint, like in Pranzis.
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can I click on a PC in hlint ad bash them? I know spells dont work so I have always thought bashing would not work also (or KD).
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I'd like to quote two posts about polymorphing from the thread that you supplied, Stephen. One is from a player, and the other is from Leanthar. The player I will quote first, because he states what I think about the matter and explains it much better then I could.
Highway Man - 11/17/2004 9:59 AM
Polymorphing and shapechanging is pretty much the same way. I can understand if you don't want people using it for crafting...that's one thing I can understand and agree with, but to take away a great role playing tool like that...I mean come on. You really can't jump on shapechangers for being monsters in town when you've got orcs, half-orcs, goblins, tieflings, half-giants, ogres, drow, and dark dwarves as PCs running around these very same towns. They would scare the crap out these peasants just as much as a troll or pixie would.
I agree with this statement 100%. If the townfolk of Hlint can be accepting of the "monsterous" races the players play, then they can be accepting when seeing a Wild Elf Druid shift to a bird and fly off. Sure it would shock them the first time seeing it, but it's the reality of the world on Layonara. They will get over it though, and it might make for a good story when they are sitting with their families over dinner.
Leanthar - 11/17/2004 11:37 AM
Alright... I have thought about it some more. Not quite sure why I said "in town" before but *shrugs* I did so lets fix it.
I don't want people polymorphed while crafting. I suppose it is okay to go around town polymorphed and/or with pets. Though personally I think it is bad RP in certain towns/cities in some cases (undead, trolls etc.) but to each their own. I am tired of being the big bad police and I am certainly not here to take the fun away from the game (although it seems some people think that is my sole wish), but I am here to keep things balanced and in RP (as best we can). Hope this helps in some small way.
This leads me to believe that you only read the initial post and didn't bother reading the rest of the thread. If that is the case next time try reading everything in a thread before jumping on your high horse and dictate how people should or shouldn't role-play.
It's getting tiresome seeing you try to control what you see as bad role-playing. And I'm sure that people considering playing here on Layonara for the first time read these posts and get discouraged away if they felt their role-playing didn't meet your standards. I know I would have if I saw posts like yours when I was looking for a server to play on. The only bad role-playing I've seen here is when people don't even try.
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Thats a bit much Iokesha, what Stephen was getting at does have a good amount of merit given what I've personally seen going on with polymorph spells and such in Hlint.
I'll just put it this way: If you're in a town/city, shapeshifted into a form that is percieved as dangerous/threatening or one that "should not be in the town" by the law enforcement of said town, and I am on as a GM and see it, you will be dealt with in a manner befitting the situation. "Monstrous" things will be killed, large animals will be chased out and/or killed. And drow will be throughly harassed and/or chased out and/or killed.
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A bit much, yes. I still hold to what I said. I've seen this elitism attitude going on for awhile now. Talked to people that almost left the server because they've been harrassed about their quality of role-playing - one person was actually in tears over it. :( It needs to stop.
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ShiffDrgnhrt - 2/13/2007 8:20 AM
Witch Hunter - 2/13/2007 3:15 AM
We need Cowled Wizards
We are not in Amn, regardless of there being a Shadow Thieves Guild. However, that would be funny. *casts darkness* "Halt sorcerer, you're coming with us."
"NO!!!!!"
"I've done nothing wrong!!! ahhh!"
"You are a deviant! you shall rot in spellhold!"
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Ioskeha - 2/13/2007 12:36 PM
A bit much, yes. I still hold to what I said. I've seen this elitism attitude going on for awhile now. Talked to people that almost left the server because they've been harrassed about their quality of role-playing - one person was actually in tears over it. :( It needs to stop.
Greifing needs to be reported to the GM team and real instances of it will be handled properly.
Hearsay about such and such does not mean that the proper action is to lash out on the forums in a way that may or may not be related to the issue at hand.
If you witness griefing report it to the GM team and it will be handled by the GM team.
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Ioskeha - 2/13/2007 2:03 PM
If the townfolk of Hlint can be accepting of the "monsterous" races
Who says townsfolk accept Orcs and Drow and such? Just because an Orc PC can go to the shops and hang out near the benches as if they are accepted doesn't mean they actually are/would be accepted by the average citizen. This leads back toward the threads about roleplaying racial intolerance and all those old Drow threads. Ugh...
they can be accepting when seeing a Wild Elf Druid shift to a bird and fly off.
I'm pretty sure this example wouldn't be a big problem. Yeah, it would be weird to the commoners, maybe even a little frightening, but it flew away. Walking around town looking like a troll or an umberhulk or a cheetah, or with some dangerous-looking familiar or animal companion, is different.
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Talan Va'lash - 2/13/2007 11:45 AM
Ioskeha - 2/13/2007 12:36 PM
A bit much, yes. I still hold to what I said. I've seen this elitism attitude going on for awhile now. Talked to people that almost left the server because they've been harrassed about their quality of role-playing - one person was actually in tears over it. :( It needs to stop.
Greifing needs to be reported to the GM team and real instances of it will be handled properly.
Hearsay about such and such does not mean that the proper action is to lash out on the forums in a way that may or may not be related to the issue at hand.
If you witness griefing report it to the GM team and it will be handled by the GM team.
*nods* I would if it was happening to me personally. It's up to the person though that is being harrassed if they want to report it or not. I spent an hour wiritng up that post.. heh. Just so I could aviod finger pointing and blaming. My hopes was just to point out that stuff like this is going on. Hopefully the people that read what I said will be a lot more considerate of what they say to people in the future.
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Ioskeha - 2/13/2007 2:03 PM
If the townfolk of Hlint can be accepting of the "monsterous" races the players play, then they can be accepting when seeing a Wild Elf Druid shift to a bird and fly off. Sure it would shock them the first time seeing it, but it's the reality of the world on Layonara. They will get over it though, and it might make for a good story when they are sitting with their families over dinner.
I would argue that the fact that monstrous races (orcs, dark dwarves, drow, etc) have a new starting place in V3 indicates that the GMs and game designers are addressing the issue of "oh, another Drow in town". Hlint has been attacked by Drow, has seen invasions of lizardmen, and is in constant fear of the orc presence to the north. Personally, I think Hlintites (except for the merchants) live in a state of near-fatal jumpiness. "Gah! A drow!... wait, not attacking anything. That one must be a good one... AIEEE! Run! An orc... wait, wait... he's dickering with the Drow... no, it's a conspiracy! Orcs and Drow! Gods help us... wait... the Drow just clapped a dwarf on the back. Okay, they're all good. *walks on* AIEEE! Trolls! *flees screaming in the general direction of the Surge* GAREEEEENNT!"
Just 'cause Drowish and monstrous PCs don't get that reaction in-game isn't an indication of Hlintite adaptation as much as it is the fact that GMs have, on the whole, better things to do than animate that particular reaction all the time.
Ioskeha - 2/13/2007 2:03 PM
This leads me to believe that you only read the initial post and didn't bother reading the rest of the thread. If that is the case next time try reading everything in a thread before jumping on your high horse and dictate how people should or shouldn't role-play.
It's getting tiresome seeing you try to control what you see as bad role-playing. And I'm sure that people considering playing here on Layonara for the first time read these posts and get discouraged away if they felt their role-playing didn't meet your standards. I know I would have if I saw posts like yours when I was looking for a server to play on. The only bad role-playing I've seen here is when people don't even try.
As said, this is a smidge strong. While the tone of the initial post might convey some of the frustration Stephen feels, I'd be inclined to believe it was intended in good faith. That is to say, it is intended as a post helpful to those having trouble with their roleplay, providing some hard guidelines to stick to. As with music, writing, or any other creative pursuit, when you're first learning to roleplay, having rules provide lines within which you can work can be beneficial. Once your abilities are more thoroughly developed, you can paint in oils rather than watercolour, and the rules can be bent, broken, or completely discarded. Certainly, if a trickish mage wanted to use Polymorph to throw a scare into the citizens and Garent, that could be RP'ed wonderfully... but it's just the nonchalence that the post was meant to combat.
*shrugs* As I said, I'd view it as just a guideline. People can regard it or not. But, to restate something I said in a previous post, good roleplay should convince those around you that your character is a person in their own right, and, the greater aspiration, that the world in which they reside is a real one. (Not real life, but a real world distinct from our own.) In my own opinion, crafting or running through town polymorphed doesn't fit with that... but I'm open to other interpretations.
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Talan Va'lash - 2/13/2007 8:45 PM
Ioskeha - 2/13/2007 12:36 PM
A bit much, yes. I still hold to what I said. I've seen this elitism attitude going on for awhile now. Talked to people that almost left the server because they've been harrassed about their quality of role-playing - one person was actually in tears over it. :( It needs to stop.
Greifing needs to be reported to the GM team and real instances of it will be handled properly.
Hearsay about such and such does not mean that the proper action is to lash out on the forums in a way that may or may not be related to the issue at hand.
If you witness griefing report it to the GM team and it will be handled by the GM team.
Please also note that if you do not wish to bring forth the attention to the whole DM team, you could try with sending a PM directly to Leanthar.
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In my opinion, the "small" things are all good and won't get too much of the scared reaction from the general population. For example, the druid walking into the town in his or her bird/cat form, or the tiny pixie following the archwizard.
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Ioskeha - 2/13/2007 8:36 AM
A bit much, yes. I still hold to what I said. I've seen this elitism attitude going on for awhile now. Talked to people that almost left the server because they've been harrassed about their quality of role-playing - one person was actually in tears over it. :( It needs to stop.
Yeah, if someone RP's in a way that is obviously wrong a clap on the shoulder and a point in the right direction is far far better than a harsh speech aboutbad RP, actually I think its even better to be passive than the last. Everyone has been green at some point.
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Agreed Niles.
Its also better then logging off in disgust, ruining another PC's RP. "Where'd? she go?!" poor guy was running around.
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Several quick points.
First, Darkstorme's got it entirely. The tone of my original post was a bit harsh because I was tired and fed up with... (Segue!)
Niles - Sure, for the newer people, I'll just send a little Tell, and I'm reasonably nice about it. I was green once, myself. But for players who have been here for months and months, and have blatantly abused the AI (or rather lack of AI) in the past... The same cannot be said.
Hawk - I crashed, and didn't want to log back on just to see the same trash from players who should know better.
I'll go ahead and admit it, I have elitist tendencies. That said, I keep them in check when dealing with new players; I have a genuine care for the wellbeing of this community that's kept me here for over a year. Part of the wellbeing of the community is the patience of the more experienced roleplayers with the less experienced roleplayers. Another part is following "suggestions" already put down by the Team.
Allow me to post a VERY applicable link, that I decided against posting last night, because I figured that people would immediately go "Oh, but this isn't a temple, and I'm not spitting on anyone!"
http://www.layonaraonline.com/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=22043&posts=36&start=1
I'll go ahead and admit to having not been great on this myself, in the past, but at least I stopped after being reminded. I have plenty of examples to the contrary for the person/people who has/have been driving me up the wall.
To reiterate something Darkstorme said:
I in no way think that the orcs, drow, etc. should be accepted, while Dire Spiders aren't. I don't think any of them should be, and my new characters don't. A halfling of mine ended up shooting at Cymeran Vrinn a while back...
Joe NPC would freak out at the sight of a Drow. Or a troll. Or a massive spider. Even if the latter two are really Jane PC having fun with her Polymorph spell. As said, a druid turning into a bird and flying off might be strange, but not inherently dangerous.
Kinda like the undead typically are. You know. Dangerous.
I used the phrase "I'll go ahead and admit" a lot in this post.
Edit: Link fixed to include "www"
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Stephen_Zuckerman - 2/12/2007 3:44 PM
Hawk - I crashed, and didn't want to log back on just to see the same trash from players who should know better.
ok, that Sol guy was acting worried. Thanks for the clarification
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To reiterate something Darkstorme said:
I in no way think that the orcs, drow, etc. should be accepted, while Dire Spiders aren't. I don't think any of them should be, and my new characters don't. A halfling of mine ended up shooting at Cymeran Vrinn a while back...
I dont want to start the whole discussion again, but sometimes you seriously overdo the whole drow thing, and do some quite unresponsible RP, like when PC's just keep harasing a drow, that would have chopped their head of long ago if it wasn't for the pvp rule. Sometimes it would be nice if people thought, "hmmm what counteractions do this PC have, if I say this to him - and would it kill me in a pnp world."
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The corpse of the monstrous races discussion has been beaten to a fine pulp.
And it keeps coming up again and again, partly because new players don't quite understand (forgivable and understandable) and partly because older players disregard the conclusions the community came to (neither of the above parenthetical statements, imo).
What do we do to things we fear? We leave them alone and run away, or we kill them.
That doesn't change just because something's glowing blue. The fact that it's glowing blue also doesn't change the fact that the NPCs around us (not just the ones that have representation, but the ones milling about in the gameworld) would FREAK OUT at the sight of something they are taught is a monster.
This includes undead and the things that make undead. If a commoner sees a shadow-given-life, they're going to think UNDEAD whether or not it's technically undead.
And Drow. Even if it's just an elf with black skin.
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Stephen_Zuckerman - 2/13/2007 11:16 AM
That doesn't change just because something's glowing blue. The fact that it's glowing blue also doesn't change the fact that the NPCs around us (not just the ones that have representation, but the ones milling about in the gameworld) would FREAK OUT at the sight of something they are taught is a monster.
yeah thats kinda my point, people should not burst out in anger on a drow, because they cant be killed anyway - unless ofcourse its the drow that is the weaker part. People should hate drows, unless they got a reason for not to, but if the drow is clearly stronger they should run insted of attacking.
I would say, that if you are willing to attack aggresive NPC drows wich is "impossible" for you, you're welcome to insult or attack the "impossible" PC drow, without thinking of the consequences. If not, then run away in fear instead.
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Niles09 --
I dont want to start the whole discussion again, but sometimes you seriously overdo the whole drow thing, and do some quite unresponsible RP, like when PC's just keep harasing a drow, that would have chopped their head of long ago if it wasn't for the pvp rule. Sometimes it would be nice if people thought, "hmmm what counteractions do this PC have, if I say this to him - and would it kill me in a pnp world."
Stephen Zuckerman --
What do we do to things we fear? We leave them alone and run away, or we kill them.
Now, that would be good to see. Any players not of ability or inclination (that is to say, there are many PCs for whom facing a Drow down, even if it meant their death, would be preferable to running scared) to face the Drow running off.
@Niles... it's part of being a Drow. It's been covered before; the stigma comes with the darkvision and CHA bonus. If a Drow of good inclination is being harassed, he's unlikely to draw on the persecutor and kill him on the spot - so if he cannot persuade the person through rational argument, he'd likely withdraw, powerful or no. Likewise, LN and TN are unlikely to kill an opponent without warning, at mere verbal provocation. (If there were a subdual damage system, they could beat the snot out of the uppity elf/dwarf/human - or at least try, but I digress.) There's a reason why a certain tiefling always keeps his hood up, his hands gloved, his skin covered. If a Drow walks around openly, protestations of goodness and light are unlikely to win over a crowd. Look at, for example, Viconia.
Regardless, the subject has been beaten to death time and again - my point is what it has been for some time. Drow, orcs, tieflings, goblins, and polymorphed evil-looking things... will likely be treated as typical examples of their race, unless they're personally acquainted with those they reveal their features around.
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Niles09 - 2/13/2007 5:28 PM
Stephen_Zuckerman - 2/13/2007 11:16 AM
That doesn't change just because something's glowing blue. The fact that it's glowing blue also doesn't change the fact that the NPCs around us (not just the ones that have representation, but the ones milling about in the gameworld) would FREAK OUT at the sight of something they are taught is a monster.
yeah thats kinda my point, people should not burst out in anger on a drow, because they cant be killed anyway - unless ofcourse its the drow that is the weaker part. People should hate drows, unless they got a reason for not to, but if the drow is clearly stronger they should run insted of attacking.
I would say, that if you are willing to attack aggresive NPC drows wich is "impossible" for you, you're welcome to insult or attack the "impossible" PC drow, without thinking of the consequences. If not, then run away in fear instead.
You're darn right that the same characters who would attack an "impossible" PC monster would attack that same character if it were an NPC. Though that makes me want to get into the fact that the "impossible" rating is OOC as well.
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This thread seems to be going off topic here.
I think what we do should make good RP sense. My druid met a fellow named Sol. They were talking Coyote told Sol that Coyote could make himself small. Sol asked to see, so Coyote said "I will show you. No one should be too scared as I will be small, but if some one asks, you say I am your pet." Coyote then took the shape of a badger. He ran in a few circles and changed back again. This seemed like good RP from my point of view.
Coyote does not bring his wolf companion into towns, or walk through town in an animal form, because they might be hunted or attacked. Birds fly through towns, and hawks deliver messages. So a bird shape should not be perceived as a big issue, just like a small cat familiar should not be any big deal to anyone.
Common sense is the rule that should apply here. If doing something would logically bring injury or harm to your animal companion/familiar, or make everyone hate your character, like summoning undead or shifting/polymorph into a frightening beast/monster, then you are exercising an extreme lack of common sense that your character most often would not demonstrate.
Good common sense makes for good RP.
AeonBlues
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AeonBlues - 2/13/2007 5:57 PM
This thread seems to be going off topic here.
I think what we do should make good RP sense. My druid met a fellow named Sol. They were talking Coyote told Sol that Coyote could make himself small. Sol asked to see, so Coyote said "I will show you. No one should be too scared as I will be small, but if some one asks, you say I am your pet." Coyote then took the shape of a badger. He ran in a few circles and changed back again. This seemed like good RP from my point of view.
Coyote does not bring his wolf companion into towns, or walk through town in an animal form, because they might be hunted or attacked. Birds fly through towns, and hawks deliver messages. So a bird shape should not be perceived as a big issue, just like a small cat familiar should not be any big deal to anyone.
Common sense is the rule that should apply here. If doing something would logically bring injury or harm to your animal companion/familiar, or make everyone hate your character, like summoning undead or shifting/polymorph into a frightening beast/monster, then you are exercising an extreme lack of common sense that your character most often would not demonstrate.
Good common sense makes for good RP.
AeonBlues
This post epitomizes the spirit of how this should be handled.
Edit: Hey! no stealing my GM name! *pouts*
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Post deleted due to my ability to type faster than I think.
That being said, there is no tolerance in this community. There is no room for mistakes, there is no room for different styles. There is a growing cadre of players that are bringing McCarthyism to the server. They are beginning to suck the joy out of the world because of their unwavering insistance that the way they do it is the only right way. They don't like what you do? You are branded ABAD ROLE PLAYER! You disagree with them? You are trying to ruin the spirit of the server.
Granted, I have not been here for years, I haven't seen all the myriad of threads about all the topics that people like to complain about. But I have seen enough to know that whine posts will continue. The bullying will continue. The elitist "I'm better than you because...." will continue. Like all games, the forum sours the experience. People will take what they read here and apply it in game and become more unhappy. Then they will come to the forum and spew.
Want an opinon? Close the forums. Leave Character Submissions, Website Login Problems, Community Support. Maybe the Taverns keep up, But General? Roleplaying How-To? CDT's? Make 'em go away. Fodder for griefing, meta-gamming and general unpleasantness. Don't delete them, just suspend them for a week. See if the level of angst on this server drops.
Wanna bet?
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That being said, there is no tolerance in this community. There is no room for mistakes, there is no room for different styles. There is a growing cadre of players that are bringing McCarthyism to the server. They are beginning to suck the joy out of the world because of their unwavering insistance that the way they do it is the only right way. They don't like what you do? You are branded A BAD ROLE PLAYER! You disagree with them? You are trying to ruin the spirit of the server.
Which is why I don't post much on the boards. I love playing on here, but outside of the game the community can be absolutely horrible at times. I remember sitting in IRC one time. I watched a group of people belittle someone that wasn't even in the channel because their role-playing didn't meet their standards. It was very sick to see.
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That is actually right... I remember some months back when someone started a thread stating someone in a group as bad RP's, and the first 5-10 answers would state that it was just a wrong way to start a thread. And now things like that are completly normal.
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Yeah, the guy who ranted about how bad everybody RPs because some people go afk while sitting on a bench was a riot. Plus those people who send nasty, angry tells everytime you don't stop EVERYTHING that you're doing and talk to them for an hour when you're busy doing chores in town or travelling abroad. I mean come on, first it's insanely rude to start OOC belittling somebody for their gameplay style regardless, but to expect that every single person MUST be ready at the console and focused entirely on their character above all over tasks and priorities in their lives is a stretch of the imagination. Who here is so bloody popular in real life that EVERY person in the shopping mall stops them and asks what they're doing, where they've been and if they can help assist in thir shopping purchases? Some people just aren't that co-dependant in real life... most people atually. If somebody walked up to me in the streets holding a sword screaming "Excuse me! *two second pause* I said EXCUSE ME!! Where are you going?! Hey! HEY!!!" while chasing me... I'm not going to tell them my name and life story; I'm mostly likely going to run and notify the police.
If you don't like somebody's RP, don't insult them. It's not like they're going to want to RP with you after that anyway, and worst case scenario you now just secluded yourself from their whole list of close friends who heard about the story afterwards. if their style really so grieviously offends you that you feel that you must lash out in anger, just take a deep breathe and leave them alone. Following them around, yelling at them and badmouthing them behind their backs is just bitter and pointless griefing for very little reason.
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I'm going to make four statements:
1) In the original post, the first link is a server rule. It's not something that's open for debate at this time.
2) In the original post, the second link is a reminder to keep yourselves under control with OOC comments that serve no purpose except to break immersion and fun for others. Keep it in tells, or keep it quiet.
3) Nobody should be telling anyone else how to RP. There are just too many standards for that, and even the GM Team will not define RP, because there is no one "right" way. As long as the RP does not conflict with the rules and spirit of the server, then it is not the job of other players to decide how any other player should RP. We've said this many times. I'm not sure why it doesn't sink in.
4) This thread needs to stay on-topic. If there is one more jab, insult, criticism or other negative comments from one player to the next, this thread will be locked. Come on people....you're all here to have fun. Let's try and act like mature, responsible people and allow each other their differences and respect the play time of others.
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Couple things to add.
1) if someone is ooc greifing another player, log it or screen shot it and PM it to a GM and report the player for greifing.
2) if you have a beef with another player, take it privately or to a GM to mediate. This public ostracizing of people, finger pointing and just general mud slinging (openly targeted or not) is not productive.
If you are a victim to or witness of unfair accusations or intimidation or any such 'brow beating' LOG it or screen shot it and get GM intervention on the behalf of the afflicted or yourself. The best way to improve Layonara is to stop this sort of as it happens, rather then letting it build up inside of you to the point of needing to explode in an ugly manor all over the forums. It is not a bother for us to help you. It is not a waste of our time. It is also a far better way to handle such problems then getting this frustrated over a game that your supposed to be having fun with!
~row
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As an addendum to Row's post...
-IF- you're comfortable with it, I'm sure there are plenty of players who would prefer you tell them directly if you feel like you're being nagged at.
I'm one.
Aaaand I think the topic's dead.
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*nods sagely to him, lowers the body of the thread into a hole in the ground and proceeds to fill it up*