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Title: Half Races
Post by: LordCove on September 28, 2007, 12:53:08 PM
Just needed clarification on this.

I understand no half race children are allowed....but....

What would the child of a half-elf and a human be?

Half-elf? Or human? Or...er....3/4 human 1/4 elf?

I did query with Dan/ Big L ....
...but I might have missed this point. Since the kid wouldn't exactly be half anything.
Also... the same might apply for er.... other races...ie Honora and Galen ( Half-Orc and Human ... as weird as that maybe  ;)  )
Title: Re: Half Races
Post by: Rowana on September 28, 2007, 01:03:54 PM
Half creatures are considered sterile as of the end of 1420, as far as I am aware. That would mean they are unable to have children no matter who their partner is.

~row
Title: Re: Half Races
Post by: DMOE on September 28, 2007, 01:08:06 PM
http://forums.layonara.com/rumour-has/125602-shrines-aeridin.html

"Mixed Race Couples"

I would say that is pretty much anything but "pure" races with a partner from the same "pure" race
Title: Re: Half Races
Post by: LordCove on September 28, 2007, 01:12:02 PM
Ahh.... thanks DMOE/Row

"Mixed Race Couples"
I just didn't get the term "half Race"

Thanks
Title: Re: Half Races
Post by: lonnarin on September 28, 2007, 01:26:16 PM
If we were to slay Aeriden so that he had zero control over life and the genomes of the masses, could that possibly revert reporduction to being solely dictated by the biological interactions of DNA structures in a scientific fashion?  

Also, what's the healing check DC for stem cell research?  Could a drinking flask tied to a rope and swung by a hasted ogre make a proper centrifuge? :p
Title: Re: Half Races
Post by: Acacea on September 28, 2007, 01:42:13 PM
Well... it is sort of solely dictated by the biological interactions of DNA structures in a scientific fashion... Now, that is. An elf and a human are actually vastly different, after all - in this new convention, it was only Aeridin's gift that let them reproduce...probably because he had a human or orc girlfriend at some point. Clearly the IG quest stuff was only a side excuse - they likely just broke up. So rather than suppressing interactions, he's just no longer influencing them.

That's what you get for trusting Aeridin to let you breed, instead of looking to the mother of all baby rearing!
Title: Re: Half Races
Post by: Leanthar on September 28, 2007, 02:26:57 PM
DMOE and Rowana are spot on.
Title: Re: Half Races
Post by: ShiffDrgnhrt on September 28, 2007, 04:29:51 PM
Quote from: Acacea

That's what you get for trusting Aeridin to let you breed, instead of looking to the mother of all baby rearing!

And who would that be?
Title: Re: Half Races
Post by: ShiffDrgnhrt on September 28, 2007, 04:32:34 PM
And another thing...

What about Aasimar and Tiefling?  I mean, they are 1/8 outsider or less, so pretty much human...  Are they still sterile?
Title: Re: Half Races
Post by: Xirion on September 28, 2007, 04:35:38 PM
So finally found someone to love and now never able to have some children... worl is hard but unfair ;)

But Eander will come over it... hopefully :p
Title: Re: Half Races
Post by: Gulnyr on September 28, 2007, 04:44:02 PM
There are a lot of orphanages - Jilseponie's in Prantz, the one Jennara built in Western Gate, the one Lyn Tobias runs in Leringard.  

Adopt some children.
Title: Re: Half Races
Post by: Acacea on September 28, 2007, 04:47:02 PM
Quote from: ShiffDrgnhrt
And who would that be?


Prunilla, obviously... she's pretty much the goddess of hearth and home and all that. Family, harvest, all that stuff. Lucky Clovers deliver triplets and still have dinner served *squints an eye* hehe.

I don't know about aasimar and tieflings. My guess is that some will want them to be sterile, but it's true that if an elf and a human mixed that far back, and it was humans down the line ever since, the current result would be considered fully human, and capable of reproduction with other humans. Seems like it would be the same way here, but yeah. Never know.
Title: Re: Half Races
Post by: Acacea on September 28, 2007, 04:48:39 PM
Quote from: Gulnyr
There are a lot of orphanages - Jilseponie's in Prantz, the one Jennara built in Western Gate, the one Lyn Tobias runs in Leringard.  

Adopt some children.


Seriously! What's with all the good adventurers with all the big bad enemies having kids on the road, traveling all the world and slaying demons, while tons of others starved parentless through the dark ages? Pfft! Add more to the pile, why don't you... ;)
Title: Re: Half Races
Post by: Dorganath on September 28, 2007, 05:37:02 PM
Quote from: ShiffDrgnhrt
And another thing...

What about Aasimar and Tiefling?  I mean, they are 1/8 outsider or less, so pretty much human...  Are they still sterile?

My gut guess (to be verified by Leanthar and/or EdTheKet), would be that Aasimar and Tieflings are "impure" and may very well be sterile.

My other gut guess is that they would reproduce as humans only, and all touches of planar heritage would be utterly  and completely missing from any future offspring.
Title: Re: Half Races
Post by: lonnarin on September 28, 2007, 06:45:15 PM
Quote from: Gulnyr
There are a lot of orphanages - Jilseponie's in Prantz, the one Jennara built in Western Gate, the one Lyn Tobias runs in Leringard.  

Adopt some children.


Hey, Cassius could always use a squire!  And Bjornigar could set their little hands to work in his sweat shop... errr, "Crafting School".  Plus, wasn't Czukay looking to buy some firstborn? :D
Title: Re: Half Races
Post by: Leanthar on September 28, 2007, 10:58:39 PM
What Dorganath stated is spot on. There are no crosses of any races, of any sorts, any more. We still allow them to be created in NwN simply because it is the engine that we have at this time and it is D&D but there will not be any offspring, just "characters" or NPC's that were already alive before 1420.
Title: Re: Half Races
Post by: Hellblazer on November 02, 2007, 02:39:36 AM
Err so that means that six childrens of Rain(half elf) and Sonya (human) and of rain pre-dragon called (brian) are all sterile? oh my that just killed the last line of the In'Darsus.
Title: Re: Half Races
Post by: Stephen_Zuckerman on November 02, 2007, 03:30:09 AM
Question: It was stated, back in the What Is A Half-Elf thread, that if you breed a half-elf with a human, then breed that with a human, eventually you'll get something that is, for all intents and purposes, human.

However, would this For-All-Intents-And-Purposes human be considered human enough by Aeridin to make human babies with another human?
Title: Re: Half Races
Post by: Rowana on November 02, 2007, 03:36:34 AM
Mechanical benefit is what was discussed in the thread you mentioned.

However, if Aasimar and Teliflings are sterile (or unable to breed other then human) then so to are partial-elf-but-mechanically-human characters. The call on whether they would breed as humans would be Ed's.

~row
Title: Re: Half Races
Post by: Hellblazer on November 02, 2007, 04:42:35 AM
*starts to extend Rains bio to include the whole family tree so the lineage doesnt stop*:)
Title: Re: Half Races
Post by: Falonthas on November 02, 2007, 08:18:50 AM
as long as they were alive before 1420 which they were rain, halfelf and human matings made perfectly normal humans so i dont think they would fall to the sterile side just couldnt mate with another elf once they came of age
Title: Re: Half Races
Post by: darkstorme on November 02, 2007, 11:40:59 AM
Actually, Falonthas, the official word was that they made not-quite-perfectly normal humans.  Humans with a bit of elf blood.  Ergo, it's quite possible that even the 3/4 humans are sterile.  The final say would be Ed, though.
Title: Re: Half Races
Post by: Falonthas on November 02, 2007, 11:43:39 AM
ahhh so they are kinda like clones
Title: Re: Half Races
Post by: LynnJuniper on November 02, 2007, 12:03:00 PM
3/4ths humans are sterile. Rhynn's child bearing skillz have been nerfed, elf lover or not.

STERILE LIST
Half elves
1/4th elves
3/4th humans
2/8th humans
ecetera.
Tieflings
Aasimar


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Now my question is, is the result of a birth between a hypothetical Elf and Drow Sterile?
Title: Re: Half Races
Post by: EdTheKet on November 02, 2007, 12:44:15 PM
Like DMOE referred to in my post on this: "mixed race couples are having increasing trouble conceiving children". That's means what it says.
So...

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so that means that six childrens of Rain(half elf) and Sonya (human) and of rain pre-dragon called (brian) are all sterile

Yes, they are.

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It was stated, back in the What Is A Half-Elf thread, that if you breed a half-elf with a human, then breed that with a human, eventually you'll get something that is, for all intents and purposes, human.

However, would this For-All-Intents-And-Purposes human be considered human enough by Aeridin to make human babies with another human?

This is a rather hypothetical question I guess. I suppose you want a figure here, like after 8 generations or after 6? If I give that then I can already see the bios appearing with genealogical lines and "X generations back there was an elf in my family, so this char has pointy ears." :) I'll give you a number, 6 generations. However, we reserve the right to change this.

On Tieflings and Aasimar, they cannot have offspring. Yes that marks the end of these races.


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Is the result of a birth between a hypothetical Elf and Drow Sterile?
No it is not, it's still an elf, as both parents were elves. Just like strongheart halflings and ghostwise halflings can have children, or gold and shield dwarves (they're dwarves) or forest gnomes and regular gnomes(they're gnomes).
Title: Re: Half Races
Post by: Honora on November 02, 2007, 06:13:57 PM
And to go all the way back to the original post, Honora and Galen are not a couple, Corba and Galen are - both pure humans with a lovely human son.

Honora ain't breeding with anyone.  In fact I took the sterile route with her before the ban.
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