The World of Layonara
The Layonara Community => General Discussion => Topic started by: ShiffDrgnhrt on October 09, 2007, 04:49:43 PM
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Is there a link anywhere on LORe or the old handbook telling where werewolves came from?
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I doubt there is an origin OOC defined at present. IC there are many tales of origins.
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oh good, I can make one up then for my other PC to tell.
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Well, I didn't say there weren't ones appropriate to character. They just differ depending on who is telling them. I know there have been quests in which they were told, though. I was just saying I don't think there exists an OOC entry anywhere at present that says "it was most definitely like so."
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No you cannot LOL. But I guess we had best work on one.
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Can I write one up?
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Cause I dont know of any stories of where they came from from IC or OOC, so I was gonna make one up that sounded appropriate for a Folianite to tell
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To clarify for jrizz: Your characters are welcome to tell whatever stories they wish. There are likely more legends and superstitions that exist than even the GM team is probably aware of. Players are not wholly confined to written Lore where story telling and such is involved. If they were there are a lot of characters out there that don't exist because they didn't start somewhere that was cemented in writing.
So, feel free to tell stories, make up stories and perhaps even believe them if you want. However, they may or may not be "The Truth" no matter how much the character(s) believe them to be. Tall tales, Legends and Myths are just that way. Just try not to pull too much from other sources and keep the world, in general, in mind.
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Oh, mine fit the world... just havent tols it yet
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Thanks that sounds better.
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Lycanthropy is a disease and one that can corrupt the form of those infected. As for the origins of such a disease...perhaps it just evolved as such.
However IF such an official origin exists, it wouldn't likely be common knowledge. So yeah, like Eor said, your character can have suspicions, and maybe they're true, and maybe they're not. But if it makes for a good story, it may not matter.
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Nothing to add to Eor's and Dorg's posts :)
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Lycanthropy is a disease and one that can corrupt the form of those infected. As for the origins of such a disease...perhaps it just evolved as such.
Well, is there a source for that view of it... I know of lots of other views of Lycanthropy as a curse and as an actual race.
Like, if there isn't an official word on the origins, is there an official word as to whether its a disease, curse, race? This might be redundant to ask but It'd just clarify it better for me.
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According to SCUD: Disposable Assassain, if a lycanthrope lands on the moon he becomes an all-powerful demigod who quickly dies for lack of oxygen.
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Thats only if he doesnt get his Demi-lich friend to cast "Atmospheric Bubble" on the Werewolf before he gets to the moon
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Shiff if you want to write something I'd suggest you do so and then show it to EdtheKet here for when he has time. If he likes it he can approve it as lore if he thinks it fits the world.
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I just might do that!
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now just try explaining why werewolves are a bane of nature and werebears are a druid's best friend. :D
Especially since few things in nature are Lawful Good!
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Shiff if you want to write something I'd suggest you do so and then show it to EdtheKet here for when he has time. If he likes it he can approve it as lore if he thinks it fits the world.
I really dont like that idea as we are in the middle of a werewolf series. I have ideas on where it is going and working on those concepts with another GM. I dont want to give any of that away at this time as it would spoil the series.
As Eorendil stated you are free to tell whatever stories IG your PC wishes to. He may get it right he may not. But I would prefer that no lore on werewolves be set at this time, especially by a PC involved in the series.
If you want to find out more about werewolves I have given you a in game way of doing that.
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Well, Latherian has his own story IC as to where they came from, being a Folianite. ME as a player, has one too...
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I didn't know this was pertaining to a quest jrizz.
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I didn't know this was pertaining to a quest jrizz.
np I know you did not :) that is why I pointed it out.
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Well in all honestly, while the question pertains to a quest, It would be better in the long run to have something concrete, eventually. Having things vague caauses problems.
IE: jrizz's quest gets finished and it explains the origin one way. Well if JOEBOBDM two months later decides to have a quest about them and Jrizz is MIA.... What happens if I go on the quest? I have this one view of lycanthropy and this guy might have it all centered around something completely different.
So... Maybe After the quest, Jrizz... Maybe we can co-work on a narrative write up for a were-beast origin thingy...? Whatcha say?
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Now that is a stellar idea :) and I will take you up on it.
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I'm sure several of us have been on quests which werewolf origins were mentioned, and they were probably all different stories, which seems to happen often. hehe.
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Lycanthropy is a disease.
However, you can also curse somebody to transform into a wolf (or whatever) of course. If you're good enough, you can also make it triggered by something so that they only transform under certain circumstances.
It's not a race like elves, humans or dwarves are a race.
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jrizz's quest gets finished and it explains the origin one way. Well if JOEBOBDM two months later decides to have a quest about them and Jrizz is MIA.... What happens if I go on the quest? I have this one view of lycanthropy and this guy might have it all centered around something completely different.
That's why every GM needs to do a quest writeup once the quest is done and post it in the GM forums under the month the quest was run in.
So JOEBOBDM should do a forum search or just ask in the GM forums what there is available on lycanthropy in order to remain consistent.
And as a side note, I do know where lycanthropy comes from, but there weren't any people present when it happened, let's just say a certain deity that's linked to wolves is very likely to have been involved. But what he did, or did not do, is only known to him :)
Many a story/rumor/myth has been written since the first cases of lycanthropy appeared, but none have been confirmed :)
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And BTW, both Milty and Jrizz are, at the same Time, doing quests based on Were-beasts.
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I know they are :)
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(http://home.earthlink.net/~rdmax/full_moon700x556.jpg)
(full moon)
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I know they are :)
Well of Course YOU know... You nknow everything.. =oP
Just... Dont tell them that ONE thing I told you not to tell people... That would not be nice... ;)
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Lycanthropy is a disease.
However, you can also curse somebody to transform into a wolf (or whatever) of course. If you're good enough, you can also make it triggered by something so that they only transform under certain circumstances.
It's not a race like elves, humans or dwarves are a race.
Well on another PW its set up as a race... I know its not like that here on Layo...
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Dont tell them that ONE thing I told you not to tell people...
Too late! :)
Well on another PW its set up as a race... I know its not like that here on Layo...
You asked, I answered :)
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Too late! :)
Dang you Ed! =oP But, yeah...
If me and Jrizz, or someone, wanted to write up something for the Handbook, could we?
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If me and Jrizz, or someone, wanted to write up something for the Handbook, could we?
If EdTheKet already said he knows where Lycanthropy comes from in a lore sense of the word, what would be served by writing something else up? If it's just legend/opinion/hearsay/myth, then it can exist without going into the handbook right? I mean, nothing is stopping your character from passing along that information IC, right?
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I spoke with Ed he has this all down it is just not really known by anyone. So just go on and tell what ever stories you want IG.
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Well I was just offering. I mean in the handbook is a Myth/Legend about Corath raising someones wife from the dead right? Thought maybe something for Lycanthropy might be cool, too.
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Well I was just offering. I mean in the handbook is a Myth/Legend about Corath raising someones wife from the dead right? Thought maybe something for Lycanthropy might be cool, too.
Correct, there's a section with legends and stuff and it could go in there.
However, all rewrites are completed, and it's being edited and in layout now, so I am not adding any additional text.
Of course the offer is appreciated, and you can still write it, but it won't be in this edition, and I will only allow it into official lore if you complete and sign the agreement that's posted in the guilds/organization thread.
Also, it'd need to be well written of course :)
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"Zee Verevolfs come from zee outside places..." <.<;
=oP
EDIT: Alright, If I ever get it "down on paper" I'll send over a copy. And you said there's a thingy I need to "sign" *coughs "forge" coughs*? ;)
*goes looking for the thing he has to... write on*
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now just try explaining why werewolves are a bane of nature and werebears are a druid's best friend. :D
Especially since few things in nature are Lawful Good!
What about Wereboars?
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cause werewolves are inherently chaotic evil, where as were bears are inherently chaotic good, and were boars and simply neutral like their dire boar kin
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cause werewolves are inherently chaotic evil, where as were bears are inherently chaotic good
Isn't Chaotic Good just as imbalanced as Chaotic Evil? Both are the same distance from True Neutral on the alignment grid, so it seems Druids should have difficulties with both as neither touches on the balance of Neutrality.
Naming the alignments doesn't seem to answer why werewolves are bad and werebears are good from a Druid's perspective.
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werewolves were typically shown as the evil antagonist while werebears were those who were bit and seen as protectors of sort
those born lycanthropes or natural weres i read about their shift beast didnt have to so with their bite as there wasnt one but their upbringing to which beast they became once they came of age
but of course all this is simple supposition and only what L and Ed have laid down in the backgrounds will actually apply
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There's no hard and fast rule like werewolves are always evil and wereboars are always good.
But where does the werewolves are bane of nature and wereboars are a druid's best friend come from?
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Ever seen the ancient ruins in the dragon isles filled with lycanthropes? *background scary music*
Actually to my knowledge the concept of good and evil aligned lycanthropes goes back to ancient times when bears were considered by many people around the world to be powerful spirit guides and would guide a soul to the underworld safely and fight off evil spirits and such thus they were seen to be 'good' whereas wolves have for the most part always been portrayed as the archetypal servant of dark spirits and evil.
So too the wereboar's which are also characterised as good are seen as good spirits whose strength, endurance and raw power was seen by warriors who killed and drank their blood or ate their flesh to pass on those abilities to them.
oh and there are tales of 'good' werewolves but somehow they are always white or silver in colour..again some archetypal or romantic influence coming in there. :)