The World of Layonara
The Layonara Community => General Discussion => Topic started by: Grid Blader on January 19, 2008, 02:21:25 AM
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I was wondering if any one or any people out there, can name all the PC that have died? I mean the ones that reached that magical number 10 or 15 DT's?
I remeber Cole, Eric (The mage dwarf, mage), but the rest ecape me..
Can we remeber them all?
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Glenn, Addision, Yar, Riley, Ash, Nepp, Elgon, so many more
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godlim,sakura,errk was the dwarf mage,someone said daniel recently,drogo
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Tha, Melanna, Gotak, Ayla, Lia, Sniv. Rurik-that-lives-again. There are a lot listed in the Hall of Heroes.
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Mercas.
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Godzilla! Oh wait, wrong forum ;)... Wasn't someone eaten by Fisty?
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Godzilla! Oh wait, wrong forum ;)... Wasn't someone eaten by Fisty?
As far as I can remember, Errk was the one eaten by Fisty :)
Oh, and isn't the warrior PC Kharl Drake permed as well?
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Ifion Witseeker
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Yes, Erk fell to the claws and jaws of Fisterion.
http://forums.layonara.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=110779
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I forgot Ifion. :(
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Yup... poor Tyrian will never forget Ifion, considering he was one of the two loves of her life and due to her rash actions he permed...:(
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Sa'kura also permed dying under the claws & teeth of the trolls in the swamps near Fort Vehl. Sadly, Treana, as well as a few others were only moments shy of being there in time to save her.
Still...at least her pink-haired daughter lives on. ;)
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and... her pink haired daughter Tyrian caught as she came from the womb!
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Daniel is still around at 9 dts..just to set the record straight.
I retired him after all. Lost my enthusiasm to rp him after he retired.
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My roommate Skabot is at 9/10 right now, and my old college buddy Czukay was at around 8/10 when he moved to Denver. Both of them are extra cautious these days when the log in, trying to make it to 21st for Soul Mother Defense.
Of all my characters, Bjorn and Farros at lvl 18 both only have 2 DTs and Kor has 1 at 10th. The rest all have a clean slate in that regard. Having been here for 4 years now, I've seen many come and go.
Snivies and Mercas' perms hit Bjorn pretty hard. Both of them were some of his favorite and hardest working jewelcraft apprentices. Addison's was a real bummer too since she was his most reliable mining partner. And when Ayla died it was hard on Farros since he always had a crush on her, and there was that whole impending wedding he was fretting about. The only permadeath I saw in person I think was Jacchri's false alarm, when they were fighting drow at the seige of Caduz's temple and he had a SS reimbursement pending... so we all got to see the cutscene and he came back a couple days later.
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I think it would be interesting to know how many just quit playing their characters at 9 dts. I think many don't perm because they stop playing at that point. I know there are a few that made it through that 20 to 21 with one ss left.
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i know of two who quit at 9 cym while aeon already had nye
and creighton did the poof
i thought about changing drogos habits when he hit his ninth dt but then i recalled when he and brisbane were talking one day
even at nine with one more chunk of soul left before leaving completely, does a druids path or duty change
not at all and its why i kept playing him at 19th with my ninth and tenth strands within 2 days of each other
just bad rolls on both times but he went out like he lived
a fighting flaming defender of the oak
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Oh, and isn't the warrior PC Kharl Drake permed as well?
Yep - that happened a while back. I think the first character to perm was played by Tathnolu no? (Not Tath the elf, but Tath the player).
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Lets not forget the charming cleric of beryl that wore purple robes and green shoes...Doc! Doc was Ami's man, at least that is what she thought. He would send shivers down her back everytime she heard his voice. His touch made her tremble. It was a devastating blow to her when she found out of his passing.
As for having a character perm, a character that you create and develop. A character that gets a life of their own, with a real personality...you don't want to see that character go away and never see or play that character again. The stick in the mud, serious, ranger Rodlin. The blonde, want to have fun and flirt in the name of Ilsare, happy go lucky, Ami. And then the true fighter mentality that thinks he can fight anything, gods gift to women, whose motto is fight hard chase women hard, Lance Coyle. They all are very different and have "developed" their own personalities. I really didn't have a set path or personality set for them at creation. They just turned out that way like in real life. So there is a certain amount of attachment to these "avatars"; these virtual "people". We deal with death everyday. Why would we want to in a game. Yes, yes, I know...it is only a game. We have to fear death, etc. What about a pet? It is only an animal. Why is there such an attachment?
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"Ye'll be foine!"
"Look 'ere at tis!"
"Les jus' go a wee bit furter..."
"Come on ter ye sally! Les jus' look pass tis door 'ere"
"Nae lass.. ye jus' stick be'oind meh an' tings'll go roigh' foine"
When I look at these names... I realize I am the most unreliable dwarf ever.
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So there is a certain amount of attachment to these "avatars"; these virtual "people". We deal with death everyday. Why would we want to in a game. Yes, yes, I know...it is only a game. We have to fear death, etc. What about a pet? It is only an animal. Why is there such an attachment?
Things matter because they can be lost. If they couldn't be lost, if they would last forever or could be easily replaced, we wouldn't be so attached or feel any emotion for them. The ability to lose a thing makes that thing special.
In games where I can save and reload, I don't have much attachment to the characters at all, even if I've developed little stories for them in my mind. A friend and I develop characters for whatever games we're playing, computer or tabletop, and there can only ever be one 'copy' of that character per universe. If the character dies in a universe, he's gone from that universe forever. Since there are multiple copies of the characters, I don't get as attached as I do for Jennara here on Layonara, but it's a bummer to lose a copy. It changes the way we play the games sometimes, but only for that particular unit with the character. There's no attachment at all to other units.
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In games where I can save and reload, I don't have much attachment to the characters at all, even if I've developed little stories for them in my mind.
Interesting. I have gotten attached to characters due to the amount of time spend playing them (due, in part to the save and reload mechanism), as opposed to not being so attached to characters who have lead brief, truncated lives.
Regards,
Script Wrecked.
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Things matter because they can be lost. If they couldn't be lost, if they would last forever or could be easily replaced, we wouldn't be so attached or feel any emotion for them. The ability to lose a thing makes that thing special.
Things matter because you enjoy them and like to spend time with them. A history, memories and great times are made and had. I don't get attached because I can loss them. I don't look at the end of a life to enjoy everything up to the death. I live for the moment and enjoy them then. This is where the bond is made.
Seems like if you look at the loss of something, then you would distance yourself from it so you do not become emotionally attached, and in a way, protect yourself from the hurt.
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Good point, Script Wrecked. I've been considering past examples for a bit again, and I think it's the time that matters to me more than the character in reloadable situations. Time and character are separate in my mind, then. Generally, anything that can be saved and reloaded is single-player, so there's no interaction with other real people to enjoy, and there's probably not a whole lot of real impact I can have on the story. In the end, then, it's the story I care about, I think; I want to hear this tale with my time, and as long as I've got a character that can get me through, all's good. Even if I personalize the character somehow, the character doesn't really matter in the end. It could be anyone. I can't remember a single Baldur's Gate character I played, but I enjoyed the game and the story.
Layonara is completely different. The story comes from having a character who's a 'real' person, with 'real' friends and 'real' problems, living a 'real' life. No saves or reloads. There's one chance to do something right, and there are consequences, even death. The time and the character are intimately linked, just like with actual real people and pets in real life. You do live in the moment, because the moment is what you have. You have to visit your grandparents now, because they won't be here tomorrow. You grab the 'real' life of your character and 'live' it, because they won't last forever.
While a lack of permanent death wouldn't necessarily change that, it does make life cheaper. It adds a lot to the RP when players know their characters could actually be lost permanently. Negative consequences aren't our most favorite things, but they do make things better on the RP front. When the Soul Mother was on vacation, people took risks they wouldn't have normally, without much consideration for their characters; the characters had less value because they couldn't 'really' die. I didn't really take advantage of that, but I don't blame those who did; if you can't lose, why not bet it all, right?
Just because there can be a permanent death doesn't mean that people will automatically look at the loss and become emotionally detached. I would say that people who live in the moment play through their characters, regardless of the potential loss. Milt played straight through Cole Norseman, knowing he could be lost. He never looked to the loss, though; he lived in the moment. Did it hurt? Absolutely. It hurt a lot of people. As cool as Cole was, though, I'm not sure I would change anything. Feels weird saying that. People who shelve their characters so they won't die permanently are the ones looking forward at the loss, choosing not to play to avoid the hurt that would come from the final death.
Obviously a lot of strong opinions on that topic, judging from the various threads that include it now and then. Not really on the topic of characters who permanently died, but I started typing and just couldn't stop! I'm all opinionated about the value of strong consequences, I guess.
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Yep - that happened a while back. I think the first character to perm was played by Tathnolu no? (Not Tath the elf, but Tath the player).
Nope, Gotak was the first to perm. Happent back in v1, or beta4 or whatever we called it backthen. No cutscreens, no soulmother thing, just a screen that told me to quit the game :( But I had Leanthar logging within 5min and he acted a scene out for those "lucky" "unlucky" to see the perm of Gotak.
http://forums.layonara.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=100143
http://forums.layonara.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=101284
These are the only pictures I could find. I think it happent around april 2004
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I know this is getting a little off the topic of the thread but it has been a little over two weeks since my pc permed. I have to say that it has really made me lose any desire to rp with my other characters. I have seen that some have no problem bouncing back after perming a character. I guess I got a little to attached. She wasn't a character that made changes in Layonara and I'm totally okay with that. I didn't play to have the "best". I play to have fun. :) But that character helped me get through a patrol when my husband was gone through all the holidays. Then when he was home we would spend so much time just the two of us rping. Both of our characters turned out differently than what we had planned. They developed over time. I loved to rp with her. I don't need to be told... be careful, don't do stupid things, careful who you travel with or the best one.. just don't die. There are those that have died twice the amount she did and they will never perm. Its all in the rolls. I was one of the unlucky ones. I think in her last ten deaths she lost 4 SS. Even two in row and in one day. :( I know nothing can be done about it guess I just needed to vent. But unless you have permed a character or came close to it you really don't know how it feels. :( It really stinks... But boy it does remind you that it is just a game after all. ;)
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I totally understand how you feel, I lost all will to play layo when my first char died. I am still an opponent against the permsystem, but that is another talk. And yes.. play smart and take care of your char, you only get one "first" char.
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Hehe, those Gotak picture bring back memories.
Like when I look at that little blue robe wearing thing with the funny looking helmet of armor II and think about my own char.
I got my 9th DT, well 7th, 8th, and 9th, in the most retarded ways. Running around gathering CNR, ide see this creature over in the distance and be like... I wonder what would happen if Cid tryed to... *bang! SoulStrand!*
Every single one was me, by myself, doing something stupid. So at lvl 19, with 9DTs, I decided I was only going to go out adventuring with the players I was playing with then and trusted, and I was only going to go on trips I know we could do, and I turned back and let the party go on ahead plenty of times for fear of death.
And yes, I died about 7 times between 19 and 21... Im just one lucky gnome I guess.
"Ye'll be foine!"
"Look 'ere at tis!"
"Les jus' go a wee bit furter..."
"Come on ter ye sally! Les jus' look pass tis door 'ere"
"Nae lass.. ye jus' stick be'oind meh an' tings'll go roigh' foine"
When I look at these names... I realize I am the most unreliable dwarf ever.
Chongo, I laughed for nearly ten minutes when I read this post.... the gods of Layonara only know how many of those one liners Cid has been duped into, and no matter how crazy it is when you finally get out withought anyone else in the party, "ye jus' stick be'oind meh an' tings'll go roigh' foine" still seems oddly reasuring.
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Thordan Ironheart, on my Triangle of Eyes quest (Quintayne Rosewyne's ECDQ).
Not nice if somebody perms on your quest.
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Though he was revived later, like Gotak. (And Rurik, who permed on his epic, I believe? Ylanec anira alw eo Fceew ;))
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Yeah, because of the results of Athus' ECDQ.
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Tarianna Poetr is sadly added to this list.
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I know this is getting a little off the topic of the thread but it has been a little over two weeks since my pc permed. I have to say that it has really made me lose any desire to rp with my other characters. I have seen that some have no problem bouncing back after perming a character. I guess I got a little to attached. She wasn't a character that made changes in Layonara and I'm totally okay with that. I didn't play to have the "best". I play to have fun. :) But that character helped me get through a patrol when my husband was gone through all the holidays. Then when he was home we would spend so much time just the two of us rping. Both of our characters turned out differently than what we had planned. They developed over time. I loved to rp with her. I don't need to be told... be careful, don't do stupid things, careful who you travel with or the best one.. just don't die. There are those that have died twice the amount she did and they will never perm. Its all in the rolls. I was one of the unlucky ones. I think in her last ten deaths she lost 4 SS. Even two in row and in one day. :( I know nothing can be done about it guess I just needed to vent. But unless you have permed a character or came close to it you really don't know how it feels. :( It really stinks... But boy it does remind you that it is just a game after all. ;)
We both took the perm hard. I haven't even played Lance since then and I don't know if I ever will. :( Randi and lance were created together and was a pair. As Lynn1020 said, they didn;t turn out like we had planned, it turned out better. Playing one without the other doesn't seem right.
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:( I know nothing can be done about it guess I just needed to vent. But unless you have permed a character or came close to it you really don't know how it feels. :( It really stinks... But boy it does remind you that it is just a game after all. ;)
Heck I do know how that feels. Rain that has been my main rp character table top, other rpg and here since i was 13, came close to perming twice on layo.:(
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Thordan Ironheart, on my Triangle of Eyes quest (Quintayne Rosewyne's ECDQ).
Not nice if somebody perms on your quest.
Not nice doesn't sum up being responsible, in some kind of way, (you could of used that deathward, gotak), for the first permed character of layonara.
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I got Quantum from 18 to 21 with out perming out. A lot of close calls. But I know if Quantum can make it so can alot of other people.
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Voon Made it from 17 to 21 on 9 Dts , with the help of his friends LOL
And the final Strand gave up at 26 ...
Time stop and multipul Hellballs if i remember right , extramly bad on ones health
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silverhand
made the list as those that chose to call it quits at 9dt's
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*Admiring Shiff for his restraint* Shiff Dragonheart, everyone's favourite mercenary with a heart of gold.
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Add to the list, Brian.. Out lived by his own father, who was saved twice from the clutch of the soul wrench.
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I remember Emerald Skye had made it to level 18 or 19 with 9 DT's. She at the time was the only straight human fighter to had made it that far, although there were other races that were on top.. I stopped playing her, It was too scary to watch her possibly get another DT.
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I won't perm Enzo. And honestly when he hits 8 or 9 If the system hasn't changed I'll be done here.
That's in no way a threat mind you... it's just how it will be.
Just another not a fan of the system in place.
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