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Title: Does ESA add up to the ability bonus cap?
Post by: geloooo on February 25, 2009, 11:03:19 PM

I have an ESA with +2 CHA and I was wondering if it will add up to the +12 cap on all magical enhancements on a character.

Title: Re: Does ESA add up to the ability bonus cap?
Post by: ShiffDrgnhrt on February 25, 2009, 11:05:48 PM

Yes, it count's towards the +12 max to an ability.  You can still add +12 to other stats, but you can only add an additional 10 with a Dark Elf.

As a further note!!!  sub-Race Ability bonuses do NOT count towards the requirements of spells or feats!  If you are a paladin or Cleric Aasimar, the +2 to wisdom does not count towards the required amount of Wis needed for cleric and Paladin Spells, nor would Half Giant Str Bonus help towards feats like Devastating Crit or Overwhelming...

Title: Re: Does ESA add up to the ability bonus cap?
Post by: Acacea on February 25, 2009, 11:31:48 PM

'cause they're green and not white... in other words, the implementation of skins is such that nothing is a base ability adjustment, but is mechanically considered a magical enhancement.

Title: Re: Does ESA add up to the ability bonus cap?
Post by: geloooo on February 25, 2009, 11:39:29 PM

alright thanks! now i have to rethink a few items :P

Title: Re: Does ESA add up to the ability bonus cap?
Post by: Chongo on February 25, 2009, 11:46:20 PM

The ageless NWN subrace woes of being green instead of white :(.

One talented fella actually managed to break through these barriers with a server-side version of LETO.  But alas, on Layonara we are left with green versus red versus white.

Title: Re: Does ESA add up to the ability bonus cap?
Post by: geloooo on February 25, 2009, 11:57:58 PM

Yeah I hate it when my subrace skin doesn't get validated. :(

Title: Re: Does ESA add up to the ability bonus cap?
Post by: ShiffDrgnhrt on February 26, 2009, 12:28:26 AM

Quote from: Chongo

The ageless NWN subrace woes of being green instead of white :(.

One talented fella actually managed to break through these barriers with a server-side version of LETO.  But alas, on Layonara we are left with green versus red versus white.

I know someone who actually did that, but he's one of our lovely ex-players (banned) so I doubt he'd want to help...  nor is it likely it would change anyway...

Title: Re: Does ESA add up to the ability bonus cap?
Post by: Chongo on February 26, 2009, 12:40:56 AM

Quote from: ShiffDrgnhrt

I know someone who actually did that, but he's one of our lovely ex-players (banned) so I doubt he'd want to help...  nor is it likely it would change anyway...

Yeah, my comment was mostly a joke.  In the matter of balance, going white on subrace stats breaks things.  Not horribly, but it opens up stuff NWN didn't expect nor write to.

Title: Re: Does ESA add up to the ability bonus cap?
Post by: darkstorme on February 26, 2009, 04:08:58 AM

It also requires that illegal characters be permitted on the server, and that opens up an entirely different can of worms.  There are a number of subrace systems for NWN that use LETO - but they all require that "Allow Illegal Characters" be turned on in the server.

Title: Re: Does ESA add up to the ability bonus cap?
Post by: Faldred on February 26, 2009, 12:00:44 PM

Of course, there is the slightly abusable loophole that NEGATIVE ESA adjustments should, in theory, be able to be offset by more than +12, because the +12 cap is to the base score, not the ESA score.