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Title: Trainable oak arrows?
Post by: cbnicholson on May 20, 2009, 04:23:19 PM: Description: Out of curiosity, Ben's been testing to see if various arrows can be used to train a bow, when I try any oak shafted arrow I get the message - only mahogany and hickory will hold the enchantment. Is this by design or an oversight? I was able to train with maho/hickory on various bows but not yew.

Location: Guild hall target range
Verified: yes, in same location

Reproducable: Attempt to train a bow using oak shafted arrows, any type.
Title: Re: Trainable oak arrows?
Post by: ShiffDrgnhrt on May 20, 2009, 04:28:05 PM: It's by design, as a cost-benefit sort of deal. Basically, since you can add enhancements to arrows, but you can't train enhanced arrows, you have to choose between having a bow with unlimited, but limited ammo, and the versatility of not training only 1 type of ammo, and being able to pick and choose for the situation.

Once ammo is trained, it stays that ammo and I do not think you can change it.
Title: Re: Trainable oak arrows?
Post by: Lily on May 20, 2009, 04:48:58 PM: Taken from the v3.2 release notes...

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Unlimited Ammunition Training ¶

* Instead of shooting arrows, if you train 10,000 of the same type of arrows/bolts/bullets, you will receive Unlimited Ammo for the weapon you train with
* Training is done by typing /o C train or
* You must be wielding the ranged weapon you wish to train and the ammunition that you are training for in the proper slot
* Each training attempts requires an Enchanting Oil, so it's better to save up to 500 then train (since you can now stack up to 500 ammunition)
* Only Hickory and Mahogany Bolts and Arrows or Light and Serious Bullets can be used.
* Players must be near a ranged target (the bullseye archery target) to train
* Your ranged weapon's description gets updated with a count of how many times you have trained a particular ammo
* Darkfire and Flame Weapon will not work on Unlimited Ammunition ranged weapons
* It is okay to accidentally train with the wrong ammo, it won't reset your attempts. But basically the first ammo type to get 10,000 training run throughs will give the item property
Title: Re: Trainable oak arrows?
Post by: miltonyorkcastle on May 20, 2009, 05:39:49 PM: As you might have noticed, we are doing a lot of work to update LORE. This new ammo system will also be added to LORE and explained in detail.
Title: Re: Trainable oak arrows?
Post by: Jilseponie Wyndon on May 20, 2009, 07:50:15 PM: Question: Will an Arcane Archers Enchant Arrow Bonus (which is automatic to an AA) become part of the unlimted arrow package? Thus when fully trained, if an non - AA uses it, the bonus is already on the arrow? Or stackable when the bow is used by an AA after its fully trained?
Title: Re: Trainable oak arrows?
Post by: Dorganath on May 20, 2009, 08:33:28 PM: I don't believe AA abilities apply to unlimited bows, because they operate on the ammunition itself.

There's nothing wrong though with an AA having, for example, a Yew bow with standard (consumable) ammo they can enhance, and then an unlimited bow as well.
Title: Re: Trainable oak arrows?
Post by: HooD!uM on May 20, 2009, 09:16:15 PM: So I take it that if I train say hikory arrows on a oak bow then decide to use a mahogany one I won't be able to use the trained arrows unless I retrain it all over again with the new bow?
Title: Re: Trainable oak arrows?
Post by: ShiffDrgnhrt on May 20, 2009, 09:17:51 PM: Yup. That's how it works
Title: Re: Trainable oak arrows?
Post by: Hellblazer on May 20, 2009, 09:23:27 PM: Ok just to make sure I get this right, You can't train with oak shafts.

But can you train with let say; Silver heads+hick shafts+falcon feather+fire 1d8?

Are silver enchantment applicable on arrows?

If you train a bow with a certain type of arrows, will you be able to retrain the bow with more powerful arrows as the char levels?

Can you add cams and mighty parts on a bow after training with it? Thanks!
Title: Re: Trainable oak arrows?
Post by: Dorganath on May 20, 2009, 09:42:07 PM: orth will have to answer this, but I think that once a bow is trained, it's trained, and going for different ammo at some other time isn't possible, but I'm not 100% sure on that.

As for things like cams, they should just add the extra properties, which should slide in along side of the "Unlimited Ammo" property, but again, I'm not 100% on that.
Title: Re: Trainable oak arrows?
Post by: orth on May 21, 2009, 04:19:54 AM: Quote from: Hellblazer
Ok just to make sure I get this right, You can't train with oak shafts.

But can you train with let say; Silver heads+hick shafts+falcon feather+fire 1d8?
No, this would count as silver/hickory/falcon but the fire enhancements would not work or be added to the unlimited ammo. If we did this I'd have had to made like thousands of more permutations and its partly for balance.

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Are silver enchantment applicable on arrows?
Yes, as are titanium, 10 uses per quiver. Again this won't apply to unlimited training though.

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If you train a bow with a certain type of arrows, will you be able to retrain the bow with more powerful arrows as the char levels?
Yes, each time you achieve 10,000 in any specific arrow it will switch to that type.

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Can you add cams and mighty parts on a bow after training with it? Thanks!

Since cams are part of the crafting process, no, a new item is created and the previous ones are destroyed as are any of its training. You should train after its crafted into a compound bow. Mighty parts are a property application though, so those are okay to place on after/during training.
Title: Re: Trainable oak arrows?
Post by: Serissa on May 21, 2009, 08:55:41 AM: [TABLE=head;sort=1a,2,3] If you train a bow with a certain type of arrows, will you be able to retrain the bow with more powerful arrows as the char levels? |
[/TABLE]Yes, each time you achieve 10,000 in any specific arrow it will switch to that type.
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Umm, no. I have one, and it won't let you equip any other arrows. I can't even fish with it. Bummer.

Sala Stonehill
Title: Re: Trainable oak arrows?
Post by: Lareth on May 21, 2009, 11:14:29 AM: What would happen if you Ox Pack it? Does that clear the training you have already done?
Title: Re: Trainable oak arrows?
Post by: Lynn1020 on May 21, 2009, 11:48:37 AM: Quote from: Lareth
What would happen if you Ox Pack it? Does that clear the training you have already done?

If you Ox it you loses any bow parts you have added to the bow.
Title: Re: Trainable oak arrows?
Post by: cbnicholson on May 21, 2009, 12:41:59 PM: Compound cams or just mighty?
Title: Re: Trainable oak arrows?
Post by: ShiffDrgnhrt on May 21, 2009, 12:47:58 PM: both of them
Title: Re: Trainable oak arrows?
Post by: Lynn1020 on May 21, 2009, 12:58:12 PM: You only lose the mighty.
Title: Re: Trainable oak arrows?
Post by: ShiffDrgnhrt on May 21, 2009, 12:59:28 PM: compound stays?
Title: Re: Trainable oak arrows?
Post by: Lynn1020 on May 21, 2009, 01:00:00 PM: Yes they do.
Title: Re: Trainable oak arrows?
Post by: Dorganath on May 21, 2009, 01:10:06 PM: Anything that is part of the crafting result will remain when oxing. Anything that was added afterward (mighty cams, training, etc.) will be erased by the ox pack.
Title: Re: Trainable oak arrows?
Post by: Lynn1020 on May 21, 2009, 01:21:32 PM: For Shiff ~ Compounds are part of the crafting.. mighty cams are added later.
Title: Re: Trainable oak arrows?
Post by: ShiffDrgnhrt on May 21, 2009, 01:24:52 PM: I thought compound cams you could add after making the bow, and could be added by anyone. is that not true?
Title: Re: Trainable oak arrows?
Post by: Lynn1020 on May 21, 2009, 01:25:38 PM: They can be added later but you have to have the skill to do it at the crafting bench.
Title: Re: Trainable oak arrows?
Post by: miltonyorkcastle on May 21, 2009, 02:07:33 PM: 8)

Merry Christmas. (http://lore.layonara.com/Unlimited%20Ammunition%20Training)

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Title: Re: Trainable oak arrows?
Post by: cbnicholson on May 21, 2009, 02:11:17 PM: Thanks all. At least some real questions got answered in this thread.:)
Title: Re: Trainable oak arrows?
Post by: Lord Dark on May 24, 2009, 03:33:43 PM: Does magic and greater magic weapon still work on the trained bow?

Edit: Oh! The arrows produced are like the Shadon Trapping Bow where it gives a bundle of 198 arrows? Or does it just automatically shoot the arrows without limit?
Title: Re: Trainable oak arrows?
Post by: Lily on May 24, 2009, 04:46:17 PM: Quote
Oh! The arrows produced are like the Shadon Trapping Bow where it gives a bundle of 198 arrows? Or does it just automatically shoot the arrows without limit?

Once you are trained and have unlimited you get a quiver of some sorts and will automatically use the unlimited arrows. That's what I heard :)
Title: Re: Trainable oak arrows?
Post by: miltonyorkcastle on May 24, 2009, 05:32:35 PM: No quiver. Just that when you equip the bow, you'll notice the arrow slot gets filled with 100 of whatever arrow type used to train the bow (effectively preventing you from uysing any other arrow types), but you never run out of arrows.

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Does magic and greater magic weapon still work on the trained bow?

My understanding is that it does, which is reflected in [LORE]Unlimited Ammunition Training[/LORE].
Title: Re: Trainable oak arrows?
Post by: Dorganath on May 24, 2009, 06:06:41 PM: There's no quiver. It just shoots unlimited arrows. It does not work like Shadon's bow or Ilsare's Firey Eye.
Title: Re: Trainable oak arrows?
Post by: Lord Dark on May 24, 2009, 10:11:47 PM: Okay, thank you! I'll use a lesser bow then for training.