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The Layonara Community => General Discussion => Topic started by: Kenderfriend on January 23, 2010, 09:15:54 AM
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Okay, I've been wanting to ask for a while if my character Keppli could join the Wolfswood Ranger Corps but I've been too shy to think about asking how I would go about doing so. ;)
I was hoping to catch one of the existing members in-game and talk/Rp with them about it though I think time-zones might be an issue because I never see any in-game.
I'm more than willing to go for an interview sort of thing/CDQ/whatever, just wondering how it works.
Thanks again,
-R/Keppli
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Hey there,
as far as I know there are three players with the Wolfswood Ranger Corps. Enzo, Rodlin and Dorena. Rodlin and Dorena both joined them by a CDQ. I think it required lvl 17. At least the Town Criers once stated you needed to be a lvl 17 ranger quite some time ago.
I am not sure how it works these days, but back then you had to take a CDQ to join them. I am sure either twidget or I can be of assistance if you have any questions and want to ask about the Corps IG.
As far as I know Rod is now Commander of the Woods so he probably is your best bet.
I hope this helps :)
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Hey there,
as far as I know there are three players with the Wolfswood Ranger Corps. Enzo, Rodlin and Dorena. Rodlin and Dorena both joined them by a CDQ. I think it required lvl 17. At least the Town Criers once stated you needed to be a lvl 17 ranger quite some time ago.
I am not sure how it works these days, but back then you had to take a CDQ to join them. I am sure either twidget or I can be of assistance if you have any questions and want to ask about the Corps IG.
As far as I know Rod is now Commander of the Woods so he probably is your best bet.
I hope this helps :)
Thanks first of all for the quick and helpful reply! :)
If levels really are an issue then I'll just wait a while longer first before applying for a Cdq (she's a lvl 16 tracker at the moment) if thats alright. I really dont mind if it takes a while, I've been wanting to join for a long time now anyway and luckily I have patience unlike my halfling :) the wait will probably be worth it.
Unless one of the other players hops by and says otherwise then I'll stick with the Cdq theory of joining :D
Thanks for the help again!
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Enzo joined by CDQ as well.
It looks like I need to change Enzos' title... Rodlin took over the corps while Enzo was off raising a family?... lol
G-452
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hmmm..interesting. Something Shadowleaf might look into down the road...
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Enzo joined by CDQ as well.
It looks like I need to change Enzos' title... Rodlin took over the corps while Enzo was off raising a family?... lol
G-452
I'm sure Ed will chime in on this, but since we have been told a few times that the character lives doesn't end the moment you exit the server. I'd Bet Enzo still did his duty even if you were not playing at the time?
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Well I certanly dont expect to just show up and take away anything Rodlin or anyone else has truly earned in my absence. That isnt fair to anyone. And I can't honestly sit here and tell you im back for good cause who knows how things will go... I do know im having fun again, and to me that is the most important thing of all. :)
I will wait to hear what is to be done before I RP anything more as to what Enzos' title etc with the Corps.
G-452
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Nah but who says there can't be many commander or captain?
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Wolf packs are headed by one alpha wolf, that would contradict the "many commanders". But good luck Kenderfriend. : )
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I agree, for packs. but this is more of a small army like troops. Doesn't fall well under the pack description. Plus I don't remember the wolfswood ranger being Folianites only?
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The title that was earned on Rodlin's WL was captain, and Enzo's presence was referred to during certain events. If he has since taken over that is for someone else to clarify.
However, just because someone didn't take over in your absence doesn't mean it would have been wrong to do so... it's been awhile and this is a player joinable organization ;) It's not right to limit the achievements of active players based on the inactivity of others. Tracking Enzo down and getting him to participate or give blessings in that kind of thing would be cool to though, because on the other hand I think the casual bumping of people without involvement or roleplay is cold :P
As far as I can recall that was not what occurred, though.
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I definatly am not trying to take away anything any person here has earned. It was my own choice to stop playing... I didnt expect the world to stop when I left. Rodlin is the captain and it sounds like he certainly earned it if he completed a WL quest.
Maybe its time Enzo just retired from the corps? (as his father did... when he raised Enzo).
I just want to RP the situation correctly. Because it has in fact came up in game.
G-452
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As far as I know and remember from Rodlin's WLDQ, Enzo still holds the title of Commander of the Wood, the second highest rank of the Wolfswood Corp. High Protector being the highest.
Rodlin now serves as a Captain in the Wolfswood Corp. and leader of the Elite Rangers after taking over from the poisoned to death Captain Alithnae.
Dezza might be able to chime in on this or Ed, this is just me putting some pieces together as far as I can tell.
It'd be great to have a whole organization structure and history laid out of course, I don't think we do.
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As far as I know and remember from Rodlin's WLDQ, Enzo still holds the title of Commander of the Wood, the second highest rank of the Wolfswood Corp. High Protector being the highest.
Rodlin now serves as a Captain in the Wolfswood Corp. and leader of the Elite Rangers after taking over from the poisoned to death Captain Alithnae.
Dezza might be able to chime in on this or Ed, this is just me putting some pieces together as far as I can tell.
100% correct.
It'd be great to have a whole organization structure and history laid out of course, I don't think we do.
Of course, but you're right, we don't.
As for Kenderfriend's question, you need a CDQ to join. There are no level requirements for joining (but you'd need to meet certain requirements to request a CDQ in general).
Maybe its time Enzo just retired from the corps?
Considering it is the year 1460 now, Enzo is a pretty old bugger! Retiring sounds reasonable (especially with the raising a family part ) and I'd have no problem with him having retired from active duty but still having the rank "Commander of the Wood, Retired" which is quite common for people who retire from active service.
He'd obviously still command a big amount of respect amongst the Corps.
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Thanks Ed.
So the level requirement has been dropped? I know when Enzo joined I was told by L it was lvl 17 to join (and a CDQ). I then told others who wanted to join back then the same thing... lvl 17 to join and must do a CDQ.
G-452
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Sorry for causing the confusion about Rodlin and Enzo with being Commander of the Woods. I got something wrong there *flushes*
And I am asking myself when the level requirement was dropped. Back when Dorena joined there still was one in place and even the town criers said in an occ note that one had to be level 17 to join. Just curious.
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And I am asking myself when the level requirement was dropped. Back when Dorena joined there still was one in place and even the town criers said in an occ note that one had to be level 17 to join. Just curious.
Because I see no reason to maintain a level 17 requirement to join. I'm not talking about gaining ranks (e.g Lieutenants, Captains, whatnot).
As for when it was dropped, that'd be on January 24, 2010 at 1PM my time.
Call it advancing insight.
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Ok well I want to say sorry for hijacking this thread but, I dont see a point in making a new one when everyone is already here jumping in on this one. :)
1. I know myself and Rodlin were given a Wolfswood Rangers Blade upon sucessfull completion of our CDQ to join the corps. I can't say if Dorena did or not. The sword is pretty good IMO (Enzo still uses his as his main weapon at level 26!) Even though it has what I think are some significant restrictions to use it. I really don't want to get into more details of the sword on the forums becuase I don't feel learning of the reward should sway anyones choice to, or not to ask for a CDQ.
My point is... I dont think a level 7 or even a low teen Ranger should even be considered for joining the corps thru a CDQ...... that isnt to say they couldnt come to those who have joined... Enzo, Rodlin, Dorena and others over time and be given... tasks both RP and more physical in nature to see if they are what the corps is looking for. This of course requires those who join the corps to be active and be willing to do these things for the others who show interest.
So I guess in a long winded and round about way.... I'm asking that some kind of level restriction be kept in place (yes I can see ED said he already lifted it).
2. I like the idea of Enzo retiring but holding some title with the corps. That is how Enzos' father Wellman was treated durring Enzos' CDQ to join up. So I think that is the right way to go with Enzo and where he is in his life right now.
3. Because he is retiring from the Corps. Will Enzo be required to turn in his Wolfswood Ranger Blade?
G-452
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Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you were butting in where you didn't belong anymore or anything of the sort. I only meant to clarify that his rank was captain and that Enzo still retained his own rank... but still that in a more active organization, some amount of overturn would probably be expected ;)
Given his current/last duties I don't know why he'd be required to turn anything in. He'd be retiring with honors and all.
Maybe if there are any active characters holding rank in the corps, they could be giving duties and training to those not yet meeting level reqs to join the company proper. Even if timezones differ they can be given assignments. It would help prepare them for eventual graduation from raw recruit types. It would also save on CDQ time, or CDQ time could be used as a complement to the assignments they are given by the PCs. Or something.
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No worries Acacea... I know I hijacked the thead... LOL :)
I like the idea of tasks, asignments, etc for those who show interest... to hone them into what the corps wants.... or weed out the ones they don't. Even some tests as simple as showing off their attack skills on the training equipment at the HQ... like hitting the archery target "X" number of times in a row... or something.... :)
It would be awesome to see enough player ran authority within the corps to make these and more ideas happen that's for sure.
G-452
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My point is... I dont think a level 7 or even a low teen Ranger should even be considered for joining the corps thru a CDQ...... that isnt to say they couldnt come to those who have joined... Enzo, Rodlin, Dorena and others over time and be given... tasks both RP and more physical in nature to see if they are what the corps is looking for. This of course requires those who join the corps to be active and be willing to do these things for the others who show interest.
So I guess in a long winded and round about way.... I'm asking that some kind of level restriction be kept in place (yes I can see ED said he already lifted it).
Though I owe some thanks to Ed for the recent lifting of the level requirement (since my tracker was lvl 16 I thought it wouldnt matter if I waited a bit longer but being able to request a cdq now is fantastic.), I have to say that I do agree with what you're saying and its by no means being 'mean' by wanting to keep the level requirement.
When I first heard of this group, I roleplayed my character aspiring to one day be a part of the team (think the character was maybe lvl 6 or 7 when I heard about them).
However, I've now roleplayed my tracker for over a year and a half, and because I'd heard before about the lvl 17 requirement I thought I couldnt join yet. Though through that time I've been trying to develop her/make hereself a bit more known as a tracker/ranger.
I think what I'm trying to say here is that I agree with both Ed and G452.... but maybe instead of a level requirement, there should be a time requirement [ie. you must have been around for a certain amount of time as your character] Because levels dont neccessarily mean a lot IMO. In general I'd much rather play with a character in-game who has been around for ages talking to people and developing their character but is low-ish in levels, rather than someone who thinks solely of levels and powers their way up and yet nobodys ever heard of the character...
Hope this helps! :)
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I think you are on the right track Kenderfriend. I agree 100% with your saying ....levels don't neccessarily mean a lot...
Someone that has taken the time to learn the Lore and RP as it sounds you have would be the type of canditate that should be allowed to persue the Wolfswood Corps, or other such groups that exist in Layo.
G-452
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I recieved a PM today that got me thinking more on these lines of other requirements than a level cap.
What if to join there were prerequisites like
(maybe not all these but im just tossing out ideas)
Exotic Weapon feat (if the reward is the same as it was for Enzo and Rodlin they will need this feet)
"X" amount of time played in Layo, and or a good Character Dev. thread.
Other woodsy type feats or skills, like say your Animal Emp up so high or Hide and Move silent up so high.
Thoughts?
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1. I know myself and Rodlin were given a Wolfswood Rangers Blade upon sucessfull completion of our CDQ to join the corps. I can't say if Dorena did or not. The sword is pretty good IMO (Enzo still uses his as his main weapon at level 26!) Even though it has what I think are some significant restrictions to use it. I really don't want to get into more details of the sword on the forums becuase I don't feel learning of the reward should sway anyones choice to, or not to ask for a CDQ.
The sword has a certain minimum level and if I see things correctly in our threads in the GM forums is that Enzo and Rodlin joined as Lieutenant and got the sword. Probably the sword has a level 17 req and would not be given to a lvl 10 player that joins (as this wouldnt be a lieutenant).
My point is... I dont think a level 7 or even a low teen Ranger should even be considered for joining the corps thru a CDQ...... that isnt to say they couldnt come to those who have joined... Enzo, Rodlin, Dorena and others over time and be given... tasks both RP and more physical in nature to see if they are what the corps is looking for. This of course requires those who join the corps to be active and be willing to do these things for the others who show interest.
So I guess in a long winded and round about way.... I'm asking that some kind of level restriction be kept in place (yes I can see ED said he already lifted it).
I'm all in favor for existing player members to interact with non-members and try to get them in. That however, is not a reason or valid point to implement a level restriction for joining the Wolfswood Rangers.
I could in fact argue the opposite using the same arguments :)
In any case, a CDQ is sufficient to join, levels are of secondary importance. The CDQ will not just fall out of the sky but a character will have worked towards joining already (e.g. through talking to somebody like Enzo or Rodlin) so that together with the CDQ is a sufficient commitment from the player.
I can also see it happening that spending enough time with e.g. Rodlin (as WL) would be sufficient for joining (talking joining here) if sufficient effort is made. But because timezones are merciless, the CDQ option is also there.
I realize this is different from what we did in the past and that we had a level 17 requirement (even though I am not able to find this at the moment, so am wondering where it was written).
2. I like the idea of Enzo retiring but holding some title with the corps. That is how Enzos' father Wellman was treated durring Enzos' CDQ to join up. So I think that is the right way to go with Enzo and where he is in his life right now.
As mentioned, he can keep the title and then has to add "retired" behind it.
3. Because he is retiring from the Corps. Will Enzo be required to turn in his Wolfswood Ranger Blade?
Nah, he can keep it.
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I think that would be a great idea for new characters. But if it is applied, then the existing character should be grandfathered. Only saying that because not all chars were planned to be exceptional trackers or Sneakers but may have wanted to join in, as there was no set requirement beside the level.
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I realize this is different from what we did in the past and that we had a level 17 requirement (even though I am not able to find this at the moment, so am wondering where it was written).
Dunno where it was written on the Forums, but if you have a backup of the old things the town criers were shouting you'll find it there ;)
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I think it was also in the description on lore.
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After making the search, I can't find what I had looked at a few months back.
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I have all the info on the Wolfswood Ranger Corps. I was looking at the organizational structure not too long ago, and considering the structure of the Corps and a way to allow lower-level characters to participate without invalidating the accomplishments of players in the past. Hold tight and I'll see if I can dig up my notes and see if there's any additional info I can share to help clarify this.
Also, for those curious about level/time requirements, please consider that to have a CDQ to join the Wolfswood Corp, a character would have to be either level 10 or to have been active in game for 3 months. This is the requirement for all non-PrC CDQs. I'm not saying it's necessarily perfect in this case, but it does do a little to balance things out, and to provide a path for both characters who level quickly and for those characters who are not as interested in leveling but still want to be active in the world and to contribute in significant ways.
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Could we get a section in the Organization area of the forums for the Wolfswood Ranger Corps?
I think that would be good to have if we get people to start joining up. Handing out orders, turning in field reports etc.
Then we could discuss ideas etc there.
G-452
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Could we get a section in the Organization area of the forums for the Wolfswood Ranger Corps?
I think that would be good to have if we get people to start joining up. Handing out orders, turning in field reports etc.
Then we could discuss ideas etc there.
G-452
Sure, but then I'll make a variation on the rule that we have for establishing deity forums. This because we currently have player ran guilds only in the Organization forums.
So, for the deity forums you need:
The minimum requirement for a forum is 3 users who play a character following the deity and at least one of these characters should be a lvl8+ cleric.
Which will become:
The minimum requirement for a forum is 3 active users who play a character that is a member of the Organization.
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I second the idea from Guardian 452!
I am very much interested in this and look forward to discussing it on the forum...
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Just checking back after some time to see if there has been any follow up conversations or any new developments regarding the Wolfswood Ranger Corp.?
Hoping that us Rangers could someday get section where we could discuss new ideas, concepts, duties, military structure and orginization and also to allow new mid level Rangers to start training specifically to become a Wolfswood Ranger and eventually be initiated into the Corp.
Personally, I would not want to enter into the Corps with a high rank...I believe that is something that should be earned thru time and accomplishments. Maybe low/mid levels could enter as say a "Specialist"?, and can will gain higher ranks thru accomplisments and quests completed?
just a few thoughts of mine for now....
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Just checking back after some time to see if there has been any follow up conversations or any new developments regarding the Wolfswood Ranger Corp.?
For this:
Hoping that us Rangers could someday get section where we could discuss new ideas, concepts, duties, military structure and orginization and also to allow new mid level Rangers to start training specifically to become a Wolfswood Ranger and eventually be initiated into the Corp.
You need to do this:
The minimum requirement for a forum is 3 active users who play a character that is a member of the Organization.
Personally, I would not want to enter into the Corps with a high rank...I believe that is something that should be earned thru time and accomplishments. Maybe low/mid levels could enter as say a "Specialist"?, and can will gain higher ranks thru accomplisments and quests completed?
just a few thoughts of mine for now....
To join the WWRC, you need to initiate a CDQ. Then the CDQ DM will have the player requirement/demand to go to the effort to crunch the details for lower levels to join the Corp. Given that this request requires significant detail crunching, this CDQ will probably take longer to get the ball rolling once you've initiated it.
Given that you need a minimum of three to start a organisation forum, perhaps you can start a Group CDQ (GCDQ). This will also add weight to the player requirement/demand, and the CDQ DM will feel more inclined to get into the detail crunching as more players will be benefiting from it.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Script Wrecked.
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Hey guys,
Just a little update for clarity. We are actually reworking the Wolfswood Ranger Corps lore right now, which is the main delay in all of this. Unfortunately, one of our initial authors on the Corps left before signing a writer's agreement allowing him to use his original work, and rather than appropriate anyone's intellectual property unintentionally, we have chosen to rework the Wolfswood Ranger Corp. I am mid-way through the rewrite, but unfortunately a few more urgent projects have kept me from finishing it. We promise to release it as soon as it's done and lore approved, though. ;)
With regards to a CDQ, you can indeed take a CDQ before the whole writeup is released. Keppli's CDQ to join the Wolfswood Rangers occurred before we had an updated writeup too. A little inter-DM communication usually provides enough detail to develop a CDQ that will work, and the rest of the blanks will be filled in very soon.
Regards,
~Carillon
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Even better! :)
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Thanks to all for the info.
I was thinking about doing a CDQ to start the initiation process.. just wasnt sure if a lvl 10 could start training for the Corp at that time since I read the lvl 17 req before. I am patient and not worried if it takes many CDQ's, tasks, duties etc.to complete..its all part of the fun!
I look forward to reading the rewrite as soon as its published.
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Keppli's CDQ to join the Wolfswood Rangers occurred before we had an updated writeup too.
Hehe, I have wanted her to join the group for about a year and a half real-time, so I just jumped at the chance :)
Granted she was level 17 by the time she took her CDQ anyway, I suppose she would actually have been given the chance had the rules not recently been changed.
Now having the title of a wolfswood ranger (yaaay!), I would say that I think there should still be a requirement for however long you've been on Layo, say the requirement could be a year real-time. I have said myself, that if this new rule was there back in the day when my character was starting out, I probably would still have waited until the sort of point I am at now. It means that newer characters can have the same chance to develop their character... (it can take a while to figure out your characters brain believe me;) )without the chance of existing members feeling cheated, that they put a lot of time before they got the chance to join and that because of this thread they're taking away any sort of requirement at all.
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IM not looking to change the lvl req, but to simply add some minor tasks, quests etc over time to be able to complete to be initiated. So lower levels can start thier training for the corp. long before they would even be considered for enlistment.
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IM not looking to change the lvl req, but to simply add some minor tasks, quests etc over time to be able to complete to be initiated. So lower levels can start thier training for the corp. long before they would even be considered for enlistment.
Thanks, that was kind of what I was trying to say. :)
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I just thought it would be cool to have a bunch of small quests to comlete first before moving onto the actual initiation CDQ's. I totally understand where you are coming from, about having worked for so long for something, only to have it changed to a lower req. right after you accomplished that goal.
btw Kenderfriend - Grats on Keppli's new title ;)
I guess I am just wanting the WRC to be more then just another group/org to join, but rather an organization that will only accept true followers, that have shown dedication by performing the minor tasks as well as the major tasks. This way, one would have to put thier time IG to prove this devotion to the Corp.
Well, lets see... if my math is correct. Keppli, Enzo and Leaf makes three, but since Leaf is just starting out and not a member yet, not sure if he qualifies as a third to start a forum.
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Well, lets see... if my math is correct. Keppli, Enzo and Leaf makes three, but since Leaf is just starting out and not a member yet, not sure if he qualifies as a third to start a forum.
Rodlin and Dorena are already members :) I think they said they were trying to set it up so the member number isnt the issue I think.
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glad to hear it
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I know you're anxious to get Leafs' foot in the door so to speak.
Lets Carillon and crew a bit more time to give up the WW Corps updates. It is my hope that after then, we will have enough background so that it will make it easier for us to hand out tasks etc, just like you want to do with Leaf. :)
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I am patient and not going anywhere. dont worry about that ;)
When Leaf's time comes, then he will do what is needed for the Corp.
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Im still not sure we have the requirements for a Wolfwsood Ranger Corps section.....
Rodlin - Active?
Dorena - Active?
Enzo - Active (just got WL status back in fact)
Keppli - Active
Shadowleaf - Wanting to join.