Post by: Guardian 452 on August 05, 2010, 03:45:47 PM
What if the pawn brokers had something(s) to sell. At high prices of course but things people would possibly pay for. I am not 100% certain how it works with them but I beleive this would give them money back to buy more things. Thus self regulating them to an extent.
I know their is the arguement that they have a limit so people dont just get umpteen million true from one broker and well I fail to see how a limit solves this. It just delays it... people will just bleed them dry, wait for 300 hours plus for a server reset and do it again. So they arent being stopped at all. Heck Ive done it.... I made a mad selling frenzy when I was trying to get funds for a house.
Unless the coin limit is there for another reason that I am not aware of.
Anyway... just an idea for y'all to kick around
THanks
G-452
Post by: Cinnabar on September 03, 2010, 01:17:50 PM
Post by: Dorganath on September 03, 2010, 01:17:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Cinnabar  Considering that the pawners pony up 10ish% of the value on items 'bought' by them, if it were possible to have them keep some (all?) of the items pawned between server resets and have them for sale at 50-75% of value, there might just be enough traffic in and out of the pawn shops to keep them semi-solvent. Just a thought. |
You old-timers know what I mean.
Post by: Unknown User on September 03, 2010, 01:17:50 PM
But a pawn merchant with 327 barley and 218 corn will be a lag monster.
Post by: Unknown User on September 03, 2010, 01:17:50 PM
- delete all CNR
- keep one-of everything else
(1) assuming the Toolset inventory management functionality works on stores
Post by: Dorganath on September 03, 2010, 01:17:50 PM
Even a limited version of a persistent pawn shops will be problematic. I'm not even sure semi-persistent (i.e. cleared at a reboot) pawn shops are a good idea.
If it matters, I've had this problem in the back of my head for some time, just have not gotten all the way through it.
Post by: Unknown User on September 03, 2010, 01:17:50 PM
So I guess it comes down to which is the real problem. Not everyone being able to use the pawns.... or the people who are.
Right?
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Post by: Dorganath on September 03, 2010, 01:17:50 PM
One is behavioral in that people use them as trash cans that pay people to take junk off their hands. They stalk server resets and empty out their inventories of all the unwanted drop items for the return in gold.
In some part, this is why they exist...a source of gold for people who have goods they don't want. But as in all things, there are people who take things too far, and of course that infringes on those people who are not greedy and/or ambitious enough (or who simply don't have the time) to spam the pawn shops before they're depleted.
The second factor is the servers themselves and their stability. I know you (Guardian 452) remember when a 6-hour stretch was the beginning of borrowed time and we tried to reset the servers every 12 hours, give or take, just to keep them smooth. Now, we go days between. My normal schedule is to reset once/week, and experience has shown they can go even longer than that and remain both playable and stable (under the right conditions).
So the point here being that since the servers stay up longer, the pawns don't get replenished as often and thus they stay depleted. It's kind of amusing in that this is a case where things are working both as designed and as well as they can, but because of the latter, the design of the former becomes somewhat inadequate in a way that was not really ever anticipated.
Anyway...that's what I'm trying to reconcile...how to make the pawns more functional due to longer server up-times without making them a bottomless source of gold.
Post by: Unknown User on September 03, 2010, 01:17:50 PM
I am not so sure that the real depletion is due to drop item sales. It is standard practice to raise gold by selling crafted items to large city pawn shops. Many players (including myself) do this. So crafting gives you not only adventuring XP and crafting XP but for some crafts (cut polished gems and arrows with enhancements on them being two of the good ones) it also gives you a lot of gold from the pawnshops. Maybe this is by design, if not then change the pawnshop pricing for crafted items to the same level as CNR.
Post by: Dorganath on September 03, 2010, 01:17:50 PM
As for coding...It's really just a straight percentage of what NWN thinks the item is worth. There's no special calculation based on the origin of the items.
Post by: Guardian 452 on September 03, 2010, 01:17:50 PM
Absolutly crafters sell the stuff they make to the pawn brokers. My crafters do it too. We all need money to upgrade as our characters progress, get new gear, horses, houses and pay for services like gathering and contract killing (ok most of you not so much with the contract killing :P )
Since a sword lasts forever what else are we to do with all the things we make to progress in their given trade? And dont say donate them 'cause that doesnt pay the above bills.
*ducks and runs away as he opened another can of worms*
I dont envy the balancing act you are pondering Dorg. Yet another..... actions of the few affecting the many.
Post by: mixafix on September 03, 2010, 01:17:50 PM
Particularly if they were smaller pawns and less likely to be dumped on with big value items.
Post by: Unknown User on September 03, 2010, 01:17:50 PM
This could help with chacters who just want to sell items like vials, flasks, and other items just to clean their inventory and would most likely stay funded because of the lil payout per item.
Post by: darkstorme on September 03, 2010, 01:17:50 PM
Post by: Unknown User on September 03, 2010, 01:17:50 PM
Post by: Unknown User on September 03, 2010, 01:17:50 PM
The simplest way to limit the vast sums being depleted is to put a cap on the gold paid per item. If it can be based upon the item's level - say, 100 for items under requirement 5, 200 for 6-10, 500 for 10+.
Also, add things like healing kits, target potions, and mining picks to the pawn brokers - at a minimal markup.
Post by: Unknown User on September 03, 2010, 01:17:50 PM
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Originally Posted by darkstorme The default price given by pawn shops is already 1%. Just thought I'd point that out. |
Post by: Dorganath on September 03, 2010, 01:17:50 PM
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Originally Posted by darkstorme The default price given by pawn shops is already 1%. Just thought I'd point that out. |
Post by: Nehetsrev on September 03, 2010, 01:17:50 PM
"Emwonk visuals lifeless equine suffers additional flogging..."
Post by: darkstorme on September 03, 2010, 01:17:50 PM
The one time I was curious, I compared the lens price of items to the price offered by the Hlint pawnshop and it looked like a 100:1 correlation.
Post by: Dorganath on September 03, 2010, 01:17:50 PM
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Originally Posted by darkstorme Hm. I suppose I've never really shopped around for my pawn shop needs; only ever dropped stuff off at the Hlint or Leringard pawn shops. The one time I was curious, I compared the lens price of items to the price offered by the Hlint pawnshop and it looked like a 100:1 correlation. |
Now as for what % of the original value they offer, that can be variable based off of your appraise skill and the pawn shop size.
Post by: Unknown User on September 03, 2010, 01:17:50 PM
This way we can at least dump off crafting leftovers, junk loot from adventuring etc.
If people want to hold out for a reset of the big city pawns to sell their more valued items they can still do so. But the rest of us who just want to unload junk can do so and at least get something for it.
Post by: Hellblazer on September 03, 2010, 01:17:50 PM
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Originally Posted by lonnarin Now as for what % of the original value they offer, that can be variable based off of your appraise skill and the pawn shop size. |