He wouldn't be the first RDD in Layonara. *smiles*
Like I said, or it could be minorly edited to tone it down, which can be as simple as a choice of words. You guys do know that I generally do not go tirades about things that only me with my poor reading comprehension misunderstands? How something is interpreted is part of the process. Had Rork been the only one mentioned as being fluent, everyone would look past the little-bit sour fact that they were just written in halfway through a campaign in which they should have been known, or that they were written into roles of events past that were PC-driven. Just change the line about there being a bevy of draconic speakers translating away. If it is not what you intended, it should be altered. You know what I mean?
LORE: Lucinda: Sects (http://lore.layonara.com/Lucinda%3A%20Sects)
It is not a question of "what it is" or "what it is not". It is about representation and interpretation. Snippets of writing represent the whole. If the above statements about the rarity and impossibility of learning it remain true, then snip is prone to misinterpretation about the whole. I'm just saying to keep it even across the line; I don't care where the line itself is. We were barred from draconic because no one spoke it anymore, yet here they are...
Alterations can be as simple as phrases like, "Though few in number..." or focusing on single persons that speak it rather than a group.
It really is a contradiction that should be addressed by either loosening the restrictions on PC draconic, even if only within Aragenite/Lucindite/Rofireinite faiths, or by realizing the sect didn't match your established lore at all and editing it slightly to tone it down.
The last faction of the Aragen church are Teachers. This is a late development of the church, designed in response to the occupation of Prantz. The church took no stance on whether the occupation following the war was evil or good, only that there was a huge outcry for knowledge. With the church's goal of even accessibility, members from the existing sections gathered and created this new section so that the knowledge would be accessible to all, even those who could not read. Teachers are slowly being asked for in various kingdoms across the world as tutors for the children of the rich. They also attend some of the orphanages across the land to teach. However, they also teach adults, excluding no one who comes in search of knowledge.
The only reason it's rare for us is because there's an OOC rule prohibiting learning from NPCs.
I was just wondering if he was once a PC.
... as well as having been one of the Dragon Called before Ozlo's death.
If being Dragon Called was strictly the providence of PCs, then this would allude to O'Mallory having been once a pc
Anyway to one Acacea's points, would not old Rork there be, from the start, a really big part of the current plot? Maybe he already is and I just have never heard of him (could happen LOL). But if not, we should really tap that guy.
If being Dragon Called was strictly the providence of PCs, then this would allude to O'Mallory having been once a PC
It is about representation and interpretation.
As Row said, he is involved. Most visibly, he was at Daniella's meeting to discuss an alliance against the Cult in Huangjin a little while back. I think Wren was even there too. *smiles*
I'm not saying that there aren't Aragenites out there who might have either beginning understanding of or even fully attained knowledge of the dragon tongue/ear/language but there are not vast numbers of them who speak it. It would be a rare, rare instance if it is indeed a fact.
Additionally, not all Aragenites share the teacher's philosophy. Many are more like 'hoarders' rather then 'sharers' (Kind of old world dragon-like!). I feel it's important to note that the Teaching Sect is very new in the grand scheme of things and as a result very small. Suggesting that they would spread a language of any kind the world over (excepting Common) in a short span is actually a pretty incorrect.
... who can read and write draconic ...
"speaking draconic" just refers to knowing the language, more or less synonymous with "having the ear."
I'd raise a semi-ignorant question here: Draconic is a written language? why? Have dragons written?
That however -does- make sense to me... the ability to learn a language from immersive exposure, listening in context, even if never being able to speak it.
I think my point remains valid. If there is one Teacher who can read and write draconic, it is only a matter of time before the knowledge spreads among those who want to know how to read and write it. It doesn't even have to be an Aragenite Teacher. If there is any individual who knows and is willing to teach others, the knowledge would spread. It's just that a member of the Teacher sect is in a position to spread it farthest fastest. The more people who know, even if there are many hoarders, the faster it spreads. The more "lubrication" there is, like, say, plenty of money changing hands, the faster it spreads. Looking back to the first quote above regarding Aragenites "having the ear" and assuming something similar is also true for the Dragonlinks (ie, the LORE page is right about plenty of translators), how is it at all possible to say knowledge of reading and writing the language wouldn't spread at a fair pace or that anyone who wanted to learn would have trouble finding someone to instruct him? It's just fiat to say no one who knows would teach others at any cost. That's just the OOC rule with some very poor IC dressing on it.
The problem here to I think Acacea is that Lore is an incredibly complex and vast entity of itself. There are so many different poeple having input into it over a long period of time there will indeed be some discrepencies.
I think if people are willing to bring them to peoples attention in order to review them as Ed has agreed to do rather than assume they are 100% accurate lore and true stories and almost indicate that we have done something wrong and have deliberately messed up someones ideas of something it would be far more beneficial.
I know thats probably not your intention in this thread and reading words never truly gives you an indication of the tone someone means it to sound like but I get the feel from this thread that you think we have done the player base a disservice by having something conflicting in Lore or unclear.
People need to understand that sometimes too what is in Lore is heresay or a story of something and may not be the absolute truth and this is deliberate. I know thats not the case in this instance but a simple. Hey Ed, can you check if this is right because it conflicts with this and this would have, I am thinking, been more than adequate.
Managing Lore is never easy in such a dynamic and rich environment such as Layonara and yes there will always be mistakes and conflicting information, people just have to accept that, deal with it when it arises and continue to move forward. Its just one of those things people need to give those who manage it a fair break.
As to other people teaching Draconic, and I'll happily accept LoreMaster correction here, but if it were actively being taught around the world I'm 99% certain the dragons would collectively put a stop to it and perhaps begin eradicating speakers of Draconic (including their own who are willing to teach) from the lands of Layonara. This isn't fabrication to explain why it isn't spreading the world over at any kind of speed, it's an honest evaluation from me (see also: not official Team stance) on the current lore of dragons in Layonara. Therefore, anyone speaking/reading/writing Draconic likely has a self imposed tether or a more literal tether to any number of dragons currently in existence.
I can dig it. As long as we can agree dragons don't see everything and that there must be people to whom the reward of teaching or learning outweighs the risk of being eaten, then I can't complain. In other words, it's basically analogous to drug trafficking: the dragons are the cops, the language is the drug, the teachers are the suppliers and dealers, and the learners are the buyers. Learning draconic is something that goes on behind closed doors.
For lore reasons I won't openly share (but I know you, Gulnyr, have access to that information!) there are 'some' dragons who could see such events if they were looking for them!
Namely the learning and practice of draconic language... if that's even submittable at start.
One thing about this character in mind is that he strives to learn as much as he can about dragons. learning draconic would be of greatly valuable help in that.
... and she's a halfling so that's also a tiny hand ...
Well, may not be a deeply needed skill but would still say that knowing the language would be of great help. After all how would we know all there is we know about ancient egiptions if no one was able to speak and understand there writings. We would have strange looking eye, standing spear man, three kneeling men, A beetle, a bird and some wavy lines. For one to study something ancient yet not know anything about how to speak there ancient language or atleast understand the writings would get an archeologist practically no where. So knowledge of the language even if partial would still be valuable to studying them.
Given the dearth of those who speak Draconic, and the distinct shortage of written works in the language, it would make more sense for an intended scholar of Dragonkind to pick up other languages than it would for them to learn the tongue of the great wyrms.
So... there actually not much use for PCs to learn draconic language? Hm, suppose would still be interesting in the least. Could I suppose try befriending a dragon and having him teach the sorcerer. Highly doubt Fastion (can't spell name) would be all that willing to teach let alone befriend any lesser race... though is the only red dragon that can grant RDD... witch kinda sucks. Oh well... maybe IC perception hes not all that evil... he is lawful after all so has to follow some code. What ever that may be. As long as he doesn't go about telling the neutral sorcerer to go about doing things of great evil.
You need to start a dialog with Leanthar and EdTheKet on this if you're serious about it. Anything that anyone else will tell you will bet at best incomplete and at worst inaccurate.
So if you have any further speculations or inquiries regarding the RDD class, you need to have the conversation with Leanthar and/or EdTheKet, because nothing anyone else says here is going to make any difference whatsoever.
This became a long thread!
I looked at the text in question and can see where it doesn't match how we're portraying the extent of the number of people speaking draconic, it being taught and all that.
I'll have it remedied in the near future. However, there's also some points I have to talk to Leanthar about and he's out until the end of the week so I'll get back to this later and cover it all in one go (I hope, if not you're all vocal enough to ask ;) ).