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Layonara Server / Re: Wail Banshee (or what ever it is called)

« on: April 29, 2006, 01:40:57 AM »

I would say that weird is underpowered.  It is a 9th level spell, from what I can see there really aren't any extremely good epic damage causing spells, so 9th is about as good as it gets.  The spell gives 2 saves which greatly increases the odds that it will have minimal effect.  Also, the 2 saves cover 2 of the 3 categories and therefore make it quite likely that at least one of these saves will be a high save for the target.  For weird to seem useful, it would need to have a significant effect from failing the first save, and then death as a result of failing the second.

The 9th level Bigby's was just trimmed down from an excellent spell for a variety of situations to a minor annoyance for most tough monsters.  It was a good spell for containing enemy mages and other low strength oponents, but now it is just another spell which enemy mages, thanks to the saving throw bonuses from buffs and high spellcraft, can generally ignore.  The opposed strength check aspect of Bigby's was what made it so effective.  If the strength that the hand was credited with needed to be lowered, that could change the strength of the spell but wouldn't change the niche it fills, but the change to a straight save gutted the spell.  I fear that bit by bit we are reducing the arcane spellcasters to the people who cast mind blank, mass haste and stoneskin, and hang out invisible watching the clerics and a few fighters fight.