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« on: July 08, 2007, 04:57:39 AM »
Justice is usually... squashed... and the... victim usually... left out in the cold for speaking his/her side.
In other words... reading that post... none of the victims questions were properly answered (politics) nor was he/she given his/her closer to this situation.
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« on: July 08, 2007, 04:32:53 AM »
Hi Zergon, I wish you the best of luck on your world. It is a mighty nice thing for you (or anybody) to start a game world for players to come and enjoy (be it an NwN world or some other game engine). In the same vein everybody that has their own world/community has their own rules and that is up to each person (or team) running a world. Along the same line every player (every single one) has their own reasons to play on any given world out there (NwN or not), and they have their own idea and thought process of what makes a world or community good or at least satisfactory enough to play. It is fine that you do not like Layonara and clearly do not like me personally, that is fine, to each their own.
Agreed.
We have known about your world for several weeks and that is okay, everybody that plays NwN is just looking to have fun and escape the pressures of RL in a free game world, some like Layonara, some do not and that is just fine. After doing this for over five years I have seen many worlds start up just like yours. Every person doing this is doing it out of love and the desire of creating a fun and great world with what they desire to see in a community, they are also a hobbiest that loves what they are doing for one reason or another; without exception. Everybody can do what they want and play where they want, that is part of the cool thing about choice but it is also one of the very cool things about NwN and why I think the NwN community exists 5 years after release. Every person is different and every game world is different and every community is different, it comes with the territory of creating and running a gaming community. It is also the reason that there is more than one game world for NwN, people are different and they have their own desires, thoughts, beliefs, rules, systems, players, and world.
Since I started Playing NWN and coding and building with the tool set (from release day of the game) I have seen the same... I've hosted many different types of servers from RP to hack and slash, and even social. I have seen servers come and go. I've seen good and bad... and hosted some of each. Noticing that your game was going to support linux was a good reason to play your new game. But being that I hate politics of any sort (mind you there needs to be rules, and rules are not what i'm talking about here) I do have issues with the politics here. Also supporting people in their endeavor to make quality software is my primary passion being a programmer since age 12. But. I'm an open source guy... paying for playing is not something i'm into... having paid for everquest, Ultima Online (which does have rp if you know the right people and run a guild) and Anarchy Online, and a few other MMO's, it's not something i'm going to do anymore. NOTE: I am not trying to replace layo.. I am not trying to re-create layo... I am simply making something for people to enjoy who aren't going to follow into what ever it is that is going to happen here, while offering them the ability to leave their mark in the ever changing module (by building and RP). It has been stated that layo will go. Someone has to do it. I also attempted to join the layo team... but was turned down with red tape. Now I know why.
I do ask that you do not come to Layonara and advertise your game world or community. We do not do that to other NwN servers or NwN communities and I kindly ask that you do not do that to us (or any NwN community/world) for that matter (not just Layonara). It is an unspoken sort of respect and professional thing in the entire NwN community (not just for/from me or Layonara), even if one does not agree with a server operator or creator (or team). I have no problem with you being at the site or in the game world posting in a respectful sort of way (to the team, individual, Layonara, or any other NwN game world/community out there). But I do ask that you not advertise and that you be respectful. Thank you.
Advertising on your site is not what my intention was as stated above. I played your game world for about a year and 6 months... I caught up to many of your mid level characters in this time and had no perma deaths... I played many many endless days of enjoyment in version 2. I knew everyone on the server both day and night... seriously... every player name and character name.... I've even rp'd with most of them. I even brought my friends to your server. My girlfriend and one of my best friends. Now that I have left (many weeks before you knew about my game world) many of the people I knew here wonder where I've gone. Being that I know people... and that lots of them are going to read this post (just looking at the screen shots) this was the best place to post my "good bye everyone this is where I went" post. I do feel that Most of the posts that I have done here have been met with much disrespect and lack of real understanding of a) my intentions in my posts; and b) what my post was actually saying. And I have been flamed many times because of how I come off. This is understandable as you all can NOT hear me speak but only read words which you will interpret as you see fit... not usually how they were spoken. Which makes me look harsh or even rash... which I am neither... my words bite, like the snake you never saw coming. I don't feel I've been disrespectful to any player or dm or even you. As it stands I have never received any complaint on your server. (other than being misunderstood which happens to me lots. Though I have many reasons to be angry at a couple of members of your team.
I wish you and your game world the best.
As for Tori, that looks like an interesting game and I wish anybody on the team running or anybody playing it all the fun in the world. Every person playing games (or running a world) is doing it to have fun and the definition of fun or enjoyment is different across the board for all of them. Perhaps this is a good world for them to check out and perhaps it isnt, but just like I stated above, choice is a wonderful thing in life. When something is free and choice is exercised then great things can (and often do) happen. I personally think it is wrong, disrespecful (regardless of what you feel about Layonara or the community) and unprofessinoal for you to advertise on a game world/community site about another game world/community site, that is what a place like MMORPG.com is for (check it out if you havent, it is a fanstastic site). Sites like that are dedicated to trying to support online gaming worlds/communities, not just an individual world/community and it where this sort of posts should go. And yep, the game industry can be a nasty beast that is for sure; I will just leave it at that. 
To everybody, please keep this thread respectful. And please do not advertise game worlds on other game world sites as it is the respectful, proper, and professional thing to do in any world/game community. I stated above that I dislike L and his dm's... now to be clear on this... I don't know L nor any of his DM's... I just don't like the way they handle things.... they wear their leashes (politics) well and keep you all waiting... that's their choice. Me not liking that sort of thing... My choice. Not that they aren't good people. Not that I wouldn't get along with them IRL. I just don't get along with politics. My site may look like trash compared to layo's site or even Crystal's site. My choice of Mega Uploads for my file transfers is because of three places (xdrive, filefront, and filefactory) all denying me free service. I can not afford high bandwidth servers like L and his team. My download choice may not be like-able nor easy at times to download from, but it has done the job for the people that it serves and they get my haks virus free and quickly. L and Crystal both have a TEAM of people who know how to program, and get donations from people... I'm sure they started out similar to me. I am the ONLY one on my team actively programming (though i do have some others lined up they haven't started yet) Yes I have area builders... and yes they swamp me with areas. I also admin / set up / and configure all of my Linux servers... web sites... modules... and mysql databases. So, before you judge my work... realize that I have done that and programmed what I have in my world in just 3 short months (2 days on the website) and functionality comes before beauty. I encourage anyone to try and make your own world and you will realize what L and his team have gone through, and what I am going through (being one man) creating something this big (3 servers) on absolutely no budget. Now try to make your own world from scratch with no one else to help you with anything besides areas and testing. Now do it in 3 months. Not easy. Good luck on your project but for reasons stated above (and reasons you might not wish me to talk of here) I will not be joining your team. Leanthar I do salute you for your work here with this team... and the happy times they gave me playing. If anyone knows what you've gone through it's me.
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« on: July 08, 2007, 12:12:08 AM »
My intention was not to advertise my server here.. in case anyone is wondering.
My intention here was to simply tell people about me and what I am doing... my projects and the team I have helping me... I cannot just say hi i'm Zerg i have a server bla bla...
I merely wanted to say my piece... say my good byes and tell people where I went... for those who want to know, but here it seems a bit hard to say my piece without turning the world against me... like free thought doesn't exist here.
not sure if it's always been this way here... but Tori has posted a nice post about how scary this actually is...
And it is...
Scary
I am just stating my views like anyone else... and actually less than anyone else... and I seem to attract many angry eyes...
Accepted.
Sorry for posting My feelings as I guess here i shouldn't have any.
Good luck everyone I enjoyed V2 and RP-ing with all of you that i RP'd with.
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« on: July 07, 2007, 06:29:51 PM »
Indeed... the game play is good as well
It's graphics are designed with a free public tool called Blender... It's available for windows and linux.
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« on: July 07, 2007, 06:18:15 PM »
Ok just for everyones information...
I deal with problems logically
I listen to all points of view with an open mind.
I take all points of view into account before deciding.
I try to include at least part of everyones idea into my final decision.
To see how I operate... just have a look at my forums...
or join me in game and discuss things with me in real time
guarantee you will like my personality.
most of the contributors to my world (34 layo players) have no problem with how i do things.
Most are impressed.
but thanks for the advice... i will not become a leashed diplomat... I am me..
I am kind and generous ... but my words bite
You want diplomacy... go talk to the president... you want good clean conversation that's intelligent and gets work done (and mostly comes from hard physical labor in factories (( the people that make what you use everyday )) ) then come to me... i am a real person... no leash .. no politics... professional is another word for sugar coated... which i will not do
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« on: July 07, 2007, 06:10:01 PM »
I'm not telling anyone what to think about anything
I'm simply telling people (since L is reading this and hasn't deleted it yet)
That there is something more out there for free.. that they can be a part of.
"The Truth" is the truth and cannot be changed by perception.. if you perceive the truth incorrectly then the truth you perceive is a lie.
I have not built my own world
as it says in my sig.... Players ARE building my world.
Lets be adults here and look at my factual posts...
I have not told anyone what to think.
I have not told anyone to do anything.
I merely stated MY opinion (which doesn't need flaming or even a comment posted about it) again MY opinion.
Any member can post here... this is a place to post off topic...
Well this is off topic.
Please read my posts with a blank mind (hard for some to accomplish)
MY POSTS ARE NOT ATTACKS
yours however seem to be
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« on: July 07, 2007, 05:43:30 PM »
Thats right i do...
I am open, honest and straight to the point...
Harsh as it may be... but the truth sometimes hurts...
We grow from this.
People Like The Truth... wheather they like how it's said or not.
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« on: July 07, 2007, 05:34:09 PM »
Personally the rp on WoW and similar games... blows Now the RP and story action on Ultima Online... and the way the players change their world... is un matched for over 10 years now... I've played many worlds based on Planeshift... most have better RP than layo could dream of... Personally I left layo. Never liked the dm's nor L Nor their sneaky uninformative ways. Nor their public way of handling things. All in all I was only on layo for the players that I RP'd with... most have left now along with me. I have created an nwn world for players to RP in... It's community built... and run... Everyone is welcome to come and RP or build or help in any way. We have many things layo does not have... and we'll continue to add to this list. I wish L luck on his current projects but i'm sorry I will not be joining him. The World of Mystrix << world of mystrix homepage.. I see tori is free to post here but fear is causing editing of my posts Zergon
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« on: March 26, 2007, 03:38:02 PM »
exactly what i expected to hear... no less...
another example of why some don't post.
Alright...I'm confused now. What does the desire to protect 1000's of hours of work, manpower and intellectual property have to do with why some people don't post? What am I missing here?
your read too far into it...
exactly why some people don't post... because they know the answer
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« on: March 26, 2007, 01:45:31 PM »
I've had it with this thread so i'm done with it....
My attempts to accomplish something are ending in debates totally off topic, turning into a pointing fingers match and attempts to change my chaotic, free willed personality...
*sigh* they never learn
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« on: March 26, 2007, 01:41:52 PM »
I encourage you to give some thought, as to whether this is an effective means to communicate what you are thinking and feeling. In my experience, making people feel angry and defensive is not a good way to be heard, or get a point across.
AeonBlues one word comes to mind NO I will be me... i can not control others, their feelings or how they respond to stimuli... Nor will I try... you either like me... understand what I am saying and take it as feeling-less words... or you don't... i don't care Anarchy!
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« on: March 26, 2007, 01:07:07 PM »
Zergon, you failed your diplomacy check. It is not that you point are not valid, it is how they are being presented. You started off with what sounded to me like an ultimatum, and that is why I was asking you to apologize.
V3 is hardly buggy. A few kinks, but I am loving layo more now then ever. If you want see what a buggy server looks like, then try playing on a NWN2 server. Let me tell you, when it comes to persistent worlds, that program is a buggy piece of ox dung. Leanthar made the right decision when he chose to not take us to NWN2. Now, that might happen some day, but NWN2 is not ready for layonara.
On fear of DMs. It starts with bad RP. It starts with players going places they should not, or using a lot of OOC chatter, or trying to exploit the server in some way to their characters advantage. I started out here on the wrong foot. I started out with bad RP and being fearful of DMs. As a more experienced player, I know now that some of the times I thought a DM was picking on me, it was not the case. The unexpected event that I was facing was the result of another player doing something like dragging a spawn near a transition and leaving it there.
That being said, there has been definite times when my character was killed by a DM, lets just say punitive spawn. In my opinion, when ever a DM makes a punitive spawn, there should be follow up. PMs and messages on the forum to explain what happened and why. I have heard players sending me tells worried about bored DMs. I love bored DMs. Some times your character will die because a DM added a critter you were not expecting. I have heard about a character being killed by a DM, and thought, well if that guy was not just running as fast as he could from one encounter to the next, maybe he would have formulated a strategy. But that paladin runs around like berserker on cat nip.
Another thing that happens, is that a very high level character comes through an area while invisible. Then your character walks through and gets greased. An inexperienced player, will suspect that a DM killed them, and become fearful of DMs.
As far as our topaz expedition goes...
The only fatality that we experienced was from a friendly fire death magic spell. So, nothing too off balanced was thrown at us.
Nope, some invisible yahoo was blocking me from getting started on the stair ramp. I never saw that mysterious spawn. I have never seen a level 20 character there either, so I am still not convinced that what ever it was, was a DM spawn. It could have just been a level 20 spawn, hmm.
AeonBlues Try # 3 I am abrasive.. I will come off harsh obstinant.. angry... and down right mean... don't like it tough luck
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« on: March 26, 2007, 01:05:27 PM »
another note... had you actually read my post the but was there for 3 days... I believe 2 +1 = 3
but = bug
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« on: March 26, 2007, 01:02:54 PM »
Grrrr. Ok now I am getting frustrated. Re: DMs Spawning stuff on parties to discourage inappropriate groupings
This is not my policy and I don't do it. I believe ooc issues should be handled ooc and IC issues should be handled IC.
If you happen to be talking about a recent ocurance where I talked to someone about this type of thing, I did not spawn any creatures the entire time I was with the party.
I'm not sure if it was the same incident, but I think often it is assumed for some reason that if a party dies somewhere then it must be because the spawn was abnormal, or if the spawn is at all different from what you see every other time that a GM must be maliciously stalking you.
That is usually not the case, and it certainly was not for the recent incident that I was involved in. I am not talking about any particular ocurance. I'm not trying to say anyone is doing a horrible job, point fingers, or anything else negative. I am merely offering advice, suggestions, and venting for people who aren't doing it themselves. If I have to be the voice then so be it. If anyone has a suggestion, comment, or something useful to say, and doesn't want to post it themselves feel free to PM it to me and i'll do it.
Originally Posted by Talan Va'lash
This was due to a glitch caused by something that shouldn't have affected it at all. The playtesting of the areas was done immediately prior to the glitch being inserted.
I'm far too familiar with Murphy's law, but with the size of the PW it is prohibitive to retest "everything" after every change.
I don't think a small glitch being in for 1 day is.. really that bad at all. I've been around the servers and I don't think there is a single one I've been to that updates as regularly as Layo or fixes bugs as quickly.
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As far as release time and "how done things are," With the volunteer staff that we have, the only way to have released a "polished" version of v3 in one chunk would have been to freeze all updates and attention to the v2 module for many months while we worked on the v3 release and leave the v2 module online. It was decided (and rightly so imho) that this particular path was quite undesirable, so an incremental rollout was decided upon.
This is a good example of how to discourage people from taking the time to post anything... if I was someone else and had gotten that as a reply i would not ever suggest anything again... another note... had you actually read my post the but was there for 3 days... I believe 2 +1 = 3 Quote: by Zergon
And I do understand but my background in manufacturing/sales/programming/experimenting says you don't test something on mission critical equipment (in this case your server where people play, it causes chaos) Quote: by Dorganath
True...but this is unfortunately not an endeavor where we have the resources to put things through the paces one would normally do for a commercial product. That may seem like a thin excuse, but if this were our "day job" we would in fact be doing things very, very different.
But we only have so much time, manpower and equipment with which to work.
I understand only so many resources, and time.... But I also understand that players have the same thing and if i'm not mistaken... the players are why you do this. So you have X amount of resources, and X amount of time (each day) to work on this project. You have 3 servers at least... though your webpage used to boast you were spread across more than that. There are very few people ever on some of these servers (planes for example) and any of them would be well suited as a test server to see how things will be.
Apply...PM Leanthar...or me...or anyone on the team. I might be wrong, but I don't personally remember you stating your interest explicitly before now. IRC, as good of a communication tool as it is for real-time communication is not very good in terms of things we need to remember. PMs or e-mails work far better.
Again, maybe you have, but I'm not remembering it.
I'm MetaPhaze on IRC and you probably don't remember it as it wasn't directed at you... It was more of a question of "how do i join this team" and the response was about as great as some of these i'm getting now. This kind of offer is appreciated, but for very valid reasons it is something we will most likely not do. The most significant and hard-line reason for this is that the Layonara modules have been "stolen" at least once in the past when access to the module source was more freely available to those who could contribute (i.e. GM and Project teams). As a result, direct access to the modules is restricted to a select few. This probably will not change.
exactly what i expected to hear... no less...
another example of why some don't post.
Yes, but then many people also wait until things get to a point of frustration before even uttering a single word. I'm suggesting comments before that point.
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My comments are just getting excuses... no real work getting done.
I believe "control" is the wrong word to use here.
Control is firmly in Leanthar's hands as the guy who owns the name, the intellectual property and so forth. If he pulls the plug, that's it, and no amount of player input can bring that back if he is done. That does not mean, however, that players are not important. In fact, they're critical. Do not think to presume we do not understand that.
Putting down a statement like that only serves to perpetuate an "us vs. them" attitude, when we should all be thinking about just "us". We're a community, players and GMs alike. All GMs are players, and we have as much time, energy and emotion invested in this as anyone. As individuals, GMs have the same quirks and failings as anyone else; as a group, we strive to be better than that. Nobody here wants to see the server crumble.
But I will point out that while we try to accommodate as much as possible and as many opinions and suggestions and playing styles as possible, it simply is not possible to accommodate them all.
I think control is the right word.. L wouldn't do this if no one played it.
And since players CONTROL the game market... well.. yep right word
It's also frustrating to have this argument thrown into your face every time a particular individual is upset.
It happens over and over and over. As if people think we aren't listening and we aren't trying our best to make it enjoyable for everyone or like we don't care if we have a community. It's a threat, plain and simple. Do this or you're going to meet an empty community. We hear this a lot.
Look at the most recent poll, there are around 80 people who visit this forum at least a few times a day. I bet the majority of them aren't happy with everything in the world but understand we do our best. Are they all going to mass exodus because things aren't going so well? What about the other individuals who don't even visit these forums. What's their voice?
I'm not disagreeing with the notion that players are critical to a game world, but when's the last time you heard Leanthar say "I am the one that makes this world for you to enjoy, I am the one who pays for it, do as I say or else I'll just ban you. This is my world, these are my desires, if you don't like it then leave." How often do you hear this threat?
By all means keep telling us how important each of you are to the world, as if we don't already know, but why it seems to only come out when someone is upset leaves me with a bad feeling. I just keep wondering why you folks seem to believe that this sort of threat really matters when YOU are the one enjoying the privilege to play here.
We are not paying customers, we are guests in our world. You know how much we've made from advertising since we moved over to the new forum - $2 (Thanks to those people who downloaded Firefox with Google).
This is not a business, if evreyone decides to leave then okay it's just a small group of close friends left paying less server fees? We do this because we want everyone to enjoy the world the way we have, to find the friends and magic and be able to escape just like the way we could. It is certainly not because we are trying to horde in a bunch of cash, because you know what I've learned. This community, for the most part, is not willing to pay for anything despite how much they enjoy it, because they know nothing will change either way, pay or not. We'll just keep doing our best, keep acquiescing to your suggestions and demands and keep building for you, keep trying to respond to these sorts of threads in diplomatic, unwavering monotone.
These are my strong opinions, because I think I read we're all supposed to be able to have them and be able to discuss them. So there's mine. In my capacity as administrator I've held it back, most of the time we do, to remain professional and considerate, but there are so many issues in this thread that have me pretty upset. So many misconceptions. Supposed easy fixes to complex problems. Misunderstandings on processes. I don't have the poise Dorganath does.
Good day,
-orth
Did I forget to mention that i'm abrasive?
Did I forget to mention evil?
oh wait... no i covered that a few posts back..
this is not throwing anything in anyones face... It's my signature.
and i'm not upset.
Did i think for one minute before making my signature?
Why yes I did.... Did i think that it would make someone upset?
Why yes I did.... Did I post it here for that reason?
WHY YES I DID
(OneST8 begins to vent...) <-------- thank you OneST8 very well put
(referring to your post)
Zergon, good luck trying to find a server that is as good as Layo or make one yourself.
I've played enough servers to know there is no other that can match Layo...
*cough*
Once you go Layo you can't go back!
there are many servers with a rating higher than layo's
And i've found one where people take their time and RP just as well as on layo, granted the land is way bigger than layonara, less laggy and has the same amount of users online... the world is quite boring... but the players are very experienced RP'ers and very nice.
I expected more from you mr. arguement. where is your aguemetative spirit today you send me more arguement in tells than this....
i'm let down...
(letters from Zergons inbox)
Dude, I've been staying up reading your posts on th Frustrated Thread, and I must say I hope you get added tot he team, you would ROCK the house.
I hope you can open the doors for some serious improvements to Layo.
Keeping going man, I got yer back. (not that you need my help but hey! Go Zergon!)
(name omitted)
PS, Seeing as how you are the first friend I really made on Layo, its cool to see you opening up the door on these issues. Keep it up
Well its nice someone knows what the hell is going on. I just get all upset when things like this happen. I dont want you or (name omitted) to leave Layo. You guys are fun. I hope I see you in game tonight, and I hope (name omitted) can still join me for my lil mining trip tomorrow. Ttyl
Thanks, I'm trying
you could aswell use the example of when (name omitted) me you and (name omitted) went down to the cave of mist and fought all the way down then i started to invis myself to go up out of the cave as and being brought by 4 gms saying i hadn't fought at all which turn to 5 once an other one joined the party. That because i was a mage i could not act as a healer, hum didnt i save you at least twice from dying except once where you died, and Didnt I save (name omitted) once?? Healing you guys while invis and that was when we were hitting the boss at the end of the cave. At that time (name omitted) was level 17 or 18 I was 15 (name omitted) 11 and you I dont know. Well within level limits and over the limites of the server.
Just a few letters from my box...
Again I am not pointing fingers, blah blah blah...
If you want me to say something for you PM me.
the last letter is just ANOTHER example of players complaining about the GM's here...
I am only doing this as I think it's out of hand... but my hands are tied... it's not my world my server or my say... all i can do is use my pen..... keyboard
The pe... keyboard is mightier than the sword.
just a small quote that's been around for a while
If everyone tells you that you have a tail... maybe you should turn around and look.
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« on: March 26, 2007, 11:55:27 AM »
No, the people who foot the bill every month for server fees are the ones who control the world. When they leave, the players uh, yeah... move to a different server... start their own... servers can be free.
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« on: March 26, 2007, 05:52:44 AM »
Good night all
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« on: March 26, 2007, 05:46:32 AM »
I'm far too familiar with Murphy's law, but with the size of the PW it is prohibitive to retest "everything" after every change.
I don't think a small glitch being in for 1 day is.. really that bad at all. I've been around the servers and I don't think there is a single one I've been to that updates as regularly as Layo or fixes bugs as quickly.
Just a note from a few players. Do you have any characters? I see on your profile N/A far too many times I don't think a small glitch being in for 1 day is.... maybe if you were Erk you wouldn't agree with that
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« on: March 26, 2007, 05:43:16 AM »
This was due to a glitch caused by something that shouldn't have affected it at all. The playtesting of the areas was done immediately prior to the glitch being inserted.
I'm far too familiar with Murphy's law, but with the size of the PW it is prohibitive to retest "everything" after every change.
I don't think a small glitch being in for 1 day is.. really that bad at all. I've been around the servers and I don't think there is a single one I've been to that updates as regularly as Layo or fixes bugs as quickly.
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As far as release time and "how done things are," With the volunteer staff that we have, the only way to have released a "polished" version of v3 in one chunk would have been to freeze all updates and attention to the v2 module for many months while we worked on the v3 release and leave the v2 module online. It was decided (and rightly so imho) that this particular path was quite undesirable, so an incremental rollout was decided upon.
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Re: CNR locations
As I understand it these are going to be re-jiggered (technical term) to once again appropriately match the CR of their areas. However, CNR placement matching encounter CR is not as critical as say... getting the haks working so people can log into the game, making sure all transitions connect properly or fixing possible ambush spawns. So it's a few rungs down the ladder from top priority. Again, Test Server another handy tool, CVS
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« on: March 26, 2007, 05:41:15 AM »
Just a last thought before bedtime.
The example in the post above is a good example of why players fear DM's
The DM's may or may not have been around for the RP that got us to that cave but all of the lower level characters were warned by the higher level characters to "keep up" and "I can not save or protect all of you it could be your death"
I don't know one character that didn't help in some way, and I don't know one of them that did nothing... making clerics invisible is a good strategy... they take less hits and have a chance to get close enough to heal... after all that's their role. The young cleric that I saved thanked me and returned the favor as that was my last heal and i took hits healing her...
nothing was lost in that trip and every character (even the low levels) did an excellent job keeping each other alive.
Adding very little to the group is still doing something and makes a character feel important... even if only a little bit.
Having an experience with a higher level character at his or her higher level (places they shouldn't be) is a good learning experience and creates goals.
Not to mention, shows the younger characters how much work has gone into success.
Another of my friends has started playing recently and is very discouraged by the acts he's witnessed by the DM's, "blood thirsty" is what he uses to describe them... another one I get in tells a lot is
namehere:Tell: DM Sniper!
Truly there is a better way of dealing with xp issues in the spirit of Layonara than having the nickname Sniperville
If players can't resolve the issues then maybe a new xp distribution system is in order... that takes it out of the DM's hands and puts it into L's hands as he is the one in charge...
PM me for ideas on the scripting issue involved.
Zergon
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« on: March 26, 2007, 03:29:38 AM »
Zergon: One of the painful lessens that I have learned in life is that ultimatums only enrage people and make them feel disrespected. Time and time again the DM staff has asked for our patients with the V3 release. They have made enormous efforts to not only build V3, but also resolve the bugs just as quickly as they can. Need I remind you that no one is getting paid to do this work? Leanthar has stated over and over again that if areas are not balanced, that we should report them as bug reports and they will be reviewed and changed. I am not bashing the team i'm trying to join it. I don't want to be paid i want to be a part of a successful team. I of all people know what they have done here and how much time is involved from setting up the T1 lines to installing what ever operating system (hopefully not windows, but hopefully unix/linux/bsd) to running the servers to admining the databases to building the areas and scripting and rant rant rant I'm merely at wits ends watching my friends get tired of playing and looking for other servers... then comming to find me to say hey, come check this one out and we'll go here... I DO NOT WANT THAT FOR LAYO!
As far as the "DM's scolding higher level characters" issue... well that is a complex issue. Perhaps it would have been better for you to bring this subject up in a constructive manner on the forums or IRC. I am more to blame then the character in question. I asked him to help my character, and a couple of others get into a dangerous area to harvest a CNR that my character needed as a spell component. What ended up happening, is between point A and point B we kept running into other adventures that wanted to join up with us in the interest of having fun. The end result is that a bunch of characters who were not quite high enough level to be in the area we were in, ended up tagging along. I didn't suggest we should exclude anyone because I didn't think anyone was so low in level, and still don't, that they should be excluded from an outing on the West server. Also every character was very active, doing everything they possibly could to help with the encounters we faced.
Here is where i feel that you think I am talking about an incident that happened durring a topaz gathering adventure... yes that is one case in point. BUT hardly the big picture and not what I was referring to. Me and my girl friend play in the same room and were both on that adventure and the whole time we knew exaclty what was going to happen... we'd seen it many many times before. Read my reply to D for explanations of my feelings on that matter.
Obviously the DMs that peeked in on us, saw what they felt to be a bad RP situation in progress. The high level character was pulled out of the party, and talked to by one or more DMs. Another option the DMs could have used would be to spawn some crazy monsters on us, that wiped out the entire party and brought the soul mother howling and screaming left and right. I think that pulling the high level character out and having a OOC conversation was a healthy way to deal with this situation and maintain a good vibe of all the players that were involved.
You obviously missed the CRAZY monster they spawned on the character in question... he had just recovered from an encounter with one of them and had died from it... was it not for our cleric (name left out) he would have died again and us too. If you doubt there was such a crazy monster ask the character we both know was there what he fought at the cave entrance and how many tells i sent to him saying that was not normal. Also ask them how many times someone cast Heal on them to keep them alive. You were stuck on the stairs so I understand how you missed it... And, the DM's (two of them, names left out) did spawn more things than were normally there killing one of our party that i saved while bleeding inside the cave. Then when we all took care of what they spawned on us... that's when they pulled out the character in question and talked to him. I don't feel I have insulted anyone nor should I apologize for any of my "opinions". Please read handling xp soaking in my post.
Zergon, I encourage you to re think what you are saying here, and make an apology to the people that work so hard, so that we can have so much fun playing a game.
AeonBlues
I re-read and re-thought what I wrote. I still stand firmly on it. Zergon
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