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Introduce Yourself / Re: A few new faces

« on: May 16, 2007, 05:01:04 PM »

I gave what I feel a carebear server is,and what many also feel is one as well. I asked you to tell if it was what this place is, you have merely said logon. You want me to do everything, and not come close to meeting me half way.. What would you say if I did do everything you said login gave it a week?

what if after that I still said I did not like it against all YOUR asumptions?
just because I have not logged in does not mean I have not perhaps watched over the shoulders and talked to people who have played here.

Lets say I jumped through all your hoops and did not like it? what does that get me?  Will you ever change your rules? or will you  simply say more time, you still don't understand. Some how I don't think your rule will ever change, that why i feel I can't play here.

What is there anything for me, other then a chance of liking it? I am sure there a server I would like just as much with out the restrictions.

Why would I feel like a second class player? because after I gave it a try you would still say you have not played here long enough, regaurdless of how many hours I have logged in a week compared to how much someone else might in a month.

it not just your rules, it you whole out look on everything, even just the way you people use PvP shows your ideal's of things. I might prejudge, but do not claim prejudgements were not made about me.

When I said I did not like this rule many of you instantly thought CvC/PvP monger, that needs to change there selfish ways and stop trying to PvP/CvC.

I don't expect any of you to see things from point of view, your in capable of it. Not in a manner that is your fault just that we do not fully understand even where I come from. i know where you people come from, You come from here. If I have made misconsuption about this place, then you might wish to change your new player info, and welcome forums. because the info I get is the info placed out for me.

I never said this place was a poor world, did not have good DM's or any of that, I said I liked this place but you have to many restrictions, to get the level of Rp that I wish. sure you can have great RP with restrictions, but it will always be beneath the level you can get with out them. least that is my believe and i am sure we will never a gree on that, to you being forced to play good or neutral might be more RP posiblities, but to me it takes more options to have the most posibilties.

thank you for your time, While I feel I have spent to much time here it was enjoyible to read your history and not a waste of time. the waste of time would be trying to fit in here, your world is set in stone and so are you, you like it the way it is and won't change that. I saw this from when  I said goodbye and gave my reasons.

I have no doubt I would enjoy my self around such nice folks, but I do feel I can have as much fun some place else that does not have the restrictions placed on me. I feel I could have more fun else where because when I am 5 months into it and I am tired of playing my good guy I could make a evil char and have alot of fun again. something I can't get here I like my good but I like my evil just as much.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: A few new faces

« on: May 16, 2007, 04:08:30 PM »

Now hold on... I understand where you're coming from, but you're painting with too broad a brush.  The only thing on Layonara that has a restriction based on time is a subset of alignments that the team has decided require evaluation of a player's abilities before they should be approved.

Nothing else has any type of time requirement.  There are level requirements in some cases, but I know folks who have been playing for a few months who have a character higher leveled than any of the ones that I play.  A hardcore player who can make a lot of GM quests can rise in levels relatively quickly, at least up to a point.

No one is going to refuse to group with you based on length of membership.  To be fair, characters with large level disparities are discouraged from grouping together (for "bashing" trips... this doesn't apply to RP sessions) to avoid "dragging" or "muling" for the lower-level characters.  GM quests involving any type of combat are often open only to specified level ranges (some low, some middle, some high) so that the GM preparing the quest can create appropriate encounter difficulties.

I have no want of levels, levels for the most part are not important it means IG power, and respect but not over respect. I don't care if folks group with me or not if I wanted such things I would play WoW. Levels DO NOT mean RP.

RP is based heavily on Alignment, more so alignment then levels.

Now let me explain how I mean restricted. Drow are they restricted? No. But if you play a non evil Drow your playing a less then ideal drow. good and neutral drow are ment to be common but I am sure here there much more common then the evil sorts.:\\

same with many of the other races, then you have these one year PRC's like RDD.

now taking into account that the majority of such UD (Under Dark races are evil) how can one expect to properly RP them if evil is so restricted?

Now when I saw things I did not see any of the races restricted, but there a hidden restriction being evil is it. most will simply put in a bio of a drizzt style char to cheat this, even though dark elfs are a evil race. I can only guess at the number of evil to good ratio of them is. but I am guessing good is more common/Neutral is more common and they probly walk around on the surface openly.

I just knowing of such restrictions, I can expect to never run into a evil. well anything non DM.

I will leave I can tell I am causing conflict... You can't understand being your ether new to NWN and this was your first server or this was your first server ages ago.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: A few new faces

« on: May 16, 2007, 03:53:17 PM »

thank you black cat That what i have been more or less trying to say, is that it can be expected of a new player, to bypass evil and play a truelly good char, but it harder to expect it of old NWN players.

That why i feel this server is bent more towards a training ground to turn new players into good RPers of slowly taking them through the stages of it.

But what about people who have been through it, and been through it, and been through it? If there was a way for me to earn rights through proof of the ability to play them to this servers standard I would not have a problem, but the thing is that the earning comes AFTER the timer. And the timer is a VERY long time.

As I said 40% of all base NWN rights here are restricted. I can understand that, but there restricted to nothing but time. the server could no longer be around in the amount of time it takes to earn the basics.

Now I am willing to jump through hoops of bio's amoung bio's to 100 pages of it, I love doing that stuff.

But tell me how can I earn my way through time? by just playing right?

Well this timer is so I can be evaluated right?

Now I plan on being active VERY active, but honestly i don't think I will because just the idea of I can't EARN things drains that will from me.

Why should I logon 40 hours a week? trust me playing the same char 40's a week for 9 months does get old, and playing good 40 hours a week does get old. Now I am willing to be active, very active. in that amount of time being so active I should be able to be evaluated much better then someone who logs 8 hours a week. See my point?

it does not make me want to try, it makes me not want to do anything. but feel like a second class member of a community. And no one wants to feel that way but that is pretty much what the server does. it breaks us up into classes. And I will never be able to be a equal :\

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Introduce Yourself / Re: A few new faces

« on: May 16, 2007, 03:34:21 PM »

The "timer" is not arbitrary -- it is there so that you can be evaluated as to your abilities as a roleplayer. By having objective standards, it protects the team from claims of favoritism.

I just find the timer pointless, I have no wish to play evil from the start, but restricting is well restricting. It is kinda like the whole you can die for your country at 18 but not go into a bar and buy a drink.

If it takes you 2 months to be evaluated, so I can have the grand honor of playing CN, just makes me wonder at what it takes me 4 years to do.


It clear that us new players won't ever be able to fit in, because we can't ever be equals as the vets. unless I plan on spending a year to gain all the rights. And still in that year I must be active enough, and all these other standards to meet your standards. even after the year timer. I would just rather a single standard.

The server we came from leveling was on a timer it took 6 months to get to level 21. that if you leveled every chance you got. then at each level past 12 you had to get 5 DM quest tokens proving your char has done important deeds to level. at 15 you had to get 10 Tokens. It took players weeks to get one level past 12.

Thing is I don't mind being restricted in levels you don't need them to RP but I do hate being restricted in RP. I don't think it fair to judge me harshly for not agreeing with the idea that you must be a vet to be evil but you can be new and be level 20, and be trusted with Epic level RP.

Think me cruel for saying it but I don't think the RP of the server can be very high grade, if it takes 9 months to play evil it so restricting on evil. I can't ever enjoy the joys of combating the evil temptations of a evil force that seeks my char to join forces with them, because they might send me a tell.
When  timer cuts into RP, you don't have real RP.

"you have been playing for 9 months right?"

Only thing to play is Good, Neutral  does not count, because in the grand scale of RP it never has count. it neutral, it not suppose to do acts of tipping the scales it suppose to balance them.

I have no fear of anything short of being robbed, or perma death to fear, or put in jail.

I will never be able to earn a short cut around the timer. I want a server where I can earn things, not one where I can do a decent job and wait it out. here if your the newest player, your last inline for everything. Why work when you can do a decent job and wait?

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Introduce Yourself / Re: A few new faces

« on: May 16, 2007, 01:03:08 PM »

Well I can RP with a stick, the server I come from does not have half the fancy nobs and whistles, and the likes. What I want is freedom, and I am willing to earn that. But the thing is this.

I could out right blow your minds, and for argument sacks become the greatess player in the history of this server. Just a all around fantastic player. BUT that still does not get me around the timer.

Sure I understand it is to keep the trash out of this place, but it also keeps the great Rper's out the folks who are great people that have everything but the time to wait.

I mean this server is nice and all but who is to say it will be around in 9 months or have a playerbase over 15? So I spend all this time waiting to earn something, that might be pointless by the time I can get it. NWN is at the end of it's ropes. NWN2 is the hot new thing with a expansion coming out and just that alone offers alot what this servers makers took along time to create.

it just time is a door being a good person,great Rper, and spending many hours can't pass.

I honestly had no wish to make a evil char, but if you limit that you limit more, and I have seen alot of limits. And I understand it is to insure players feeling don't get hurt.  But I want to RP. Now I can tell you playing here or someplace else it all NWN. only thing that matters is the level of RP. and in a carebear server like this, I am pretty sure I don't need to worry about any evils other then DM related trying to mess up my char's perfect day.

Just tell me this, is this or is it not a carebear server?

carebear server - A server where above all else a players feelings are taken into account, evil is done mainly by DM's and you logon to say hi, pick flowers, bash monsters, fight Dm evils craft things, hang out in a house, and the closes thing to player evil is that one guy that steals your bread with you fully knowing he did, because he had to ask you first.

I don't like this stuff, it something I could get on WoW, or a social server. lack of fears, or not worring about other players due to 90% of them being good natured or neutral.

If you can honestly tell me, that there is more to  loging on then crafting things, socializing, bashing monsters, and doing DM events I will stay.

but if it just sit around, talking or gathering resources while I wait for a DM to logon to spawn something on me ,to steal my shovel so I can gather a party of mighty hero's to get back my shovel. Then it is WoW with DM's I just feel this place does not want real RP it wants carebears. folks that logon and say they wub you. I don't mean this to insult the makers, or anyone but that just the impression I get, and that was all fine 4 years ago when NWN was new and so was I but I done EVERYTHING. and even freedoms to do things get old when you have done them so much you can guess how fun not being able to do things would be.

I just kinda feel like it is one of those movies where to protect you from your self the laws are very strict, and freedoms or revoked to insure everyone is happy and at peace, the whole perfect society thing, very borring.

Once again this is the way you folks like it, and that not how I like it, so why waste a few days to get in the door to find out you don't like it? that a pickpoket PM's you saying, is it alright if I pickpoket you? -.-

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Introduce Yourself / Re: A few new faces

« on: May 16, 2007, 12:04:53 PM »

Well It rather restricting being there are only 9 alighnments and 4 of them 40% are restricted. One I can play if I am here for a month, and the rest I can play after 9 months. Why put that much time into NWN only being able to use 60% of the alignments?

There also other restrictions, many of these 1 year PRC's, and more. For some like your self who has been playing here I am sure your rather use to it all, and have access to a great many things.

Much like you said if I stick around for a year. Not something I want to do to gain access to a great many things I can have right from the go on most any other server.

really like the place and don't mind the bio part. But your -forced- to play LG,NG,CG,LN,and TN.

been playing NWN for many years, I grow tired of the actual game, let alone the normal restrictions on the game. limiting access to other alignments limits RP.

I don't want to take the days it takes to make a good bio, and char concept to find out I can't play it due to section 8 pargraph 9. None of this for noobs no matter how good you are at RP, nor how much you read.

thanks for reaching out, besides I am great friends with celezar and jimblee and much like Joyrock says I don't think they will want to play here with such restrictions.

9-12 months is a LONG time to wait with NWN dieing off. In that much time NWN2 will be good.

I just don't think it something you can understand playing here for so long, and having access to the things I don't/won't for 9 -12 months. was willing to start over willing to be a noob on a new scary server, but not for that long.

the whole you must be human you must be a fighter thing was to show how bland your restrictions are to new folks. You can't be anything on the slightly evil side for along time. While your server looks nice, bio's required, and heavy restrictions just don't make it worth it, the bio's I don't mind, I like the idea but I liked it for the wrong reasons. I thought you could play any alignment you wanted they were just subject to a most likely no unless your bio is  good. but that not is the case. It is a matter of time something no matter how hard or how good I RP I can't change. 9 months to play, when you still got to do work to get in the door. Don't mind doing the work to get in, but even then your just in. Sure if I submit a bio I would probly really like the place. But I am sure I would like some other place just as much, that I don't have to wait 9 months to a year for something.

like I said above it is not you guys turning me away, it is a battle with time, and how much I value mine at. I log probly 40 hours a week on NWN, that along time play good, and my last two chars were super good, and playful good. alot of good, only fun neutral for me is chaotic.

I guess you can say in some ways I don't like how you don't allow folks to prove they can RP something, that you inforce a rule based on time, alot of time before allowing them to prove anything. I could understand a month or two but 9 just pretty unrealistic to ask someone to wait.

played good a hundred times, and for 9 months that pretty much it for me. That why i don't feel it would work out, if I was a new player sure I would love it, but I am not new, I am a old player. I have played with out the need of hak pack's forever, just the need of freedom to RP as long as you can RP it is what I am looking for in a server, and well please don't take this the wrong way but I feel your server is more for new players then vets.

thanks for everything ^^

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Introduce Yourself / Re: A few new faces

« on: May 16, 2007, 04:50:34 AM »

I have decided it best not to play here, to many "You must be playing here fpr a year" rules when NWN2 will be the place to RP by the time I can access half the things basic NWN nonmultiplayer allows me to access from the box.

I am sorry I just can't go through the hours it takes to make a char to run into those rules, and the more I read the more restrictions there are.

Nothing against anyone or this place, but I just don't like RP restricted to pretty you must be a human fighter, you must be good, and you must go through being OKed. I thought the OK's were to see if you were capable of Rping it in the manner befiting this place. That was a mistake -I- made.

will still be cheering for the rest of you working on your chars.

I post this not as anything bad, just giving my reasons, I am sure you like to keep up with what turns folks away.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: A few new faces

« on: May 16, 2007, 12:40:10 AM »

Hi I am yuyu, I am another one of those players from that strange place. We just keep comin don't we? Anywoo like the place, and hi to all my old friends!:D