The proof that women are evil!

[rusleBIFFEN]

Hi there,

it's been a while, but i've been monitoring you silently from my little selfimposed prison, also known as marriage, which I got sucked into 2 months ago...

I must admit that I started reading this thread rather enthusiasticly (spelling..) but soon lost my concentration because noone wanted to by Path a beer....

So back on topic..

*Runs to the innkeeper, gets a mug of ale and hands it to Path*

"There you go ! You don't think I'm evil do you Path ?"

Cya soon .. I hope.

No stop this ranting and get back into the game :-)

[Niles09]

NEXUS. we can never agree cause you lack my point of view. You say I have not proven my faith, well you havent proven darwism as well.
Second, Im NOT the traditional christian. You say when we (I) just hold up our hands when something other is proven, I don't, and by the way, I dont think I know a scientist who dont do that, when extraordinary strange things happen. Even scientic proofs is not accepted when they interfere with the evolution teory. and through the evolution there are sooo many things, where you can only say, well it was a spot of luck.
About disbelieving other religions, I dont neccasarely do. As Ive said before the jewish, arabish and christian people original had the same god.
About that webside *sigh* yup a mind-virus. I could ofcourse name some of the feelings Ive had, but then I know what you would say. No I rather name some things thhat had occured to others. First a sign of something greater:
This story is, and you can keep saying it cant be possible, true, Ive heard it from my grandparents they did know the persons. There was this man, working as a builder he got a crane or something down on him, chrusing his legs. His wife came soon by. Noone had called her, and she should be on work, she said, I just felt that somethng was very wrong, and he said ofcourse I screamed for you.
In the litlle christian group of 15 on my "high" school we talked about such things, and we could all tell about a extraoridary case of luck, or a prayer being answered though the type of it would made it a nearly impossible accidental. We dont only believe because we have this feeling, no we've seen it, we've been answered.
Science cant explain that, it cant explain my faith.
And now Im sick and tired of this, Ive tried to see things from your view, Ive forced to do that very often, yet you keep seing faith as a strange illogical mind-virus, you even think we're all the same, that the lot of us ignore the clearly scientic proofs. Now I wont say YOU to this, you're not been so bad as this as other people can be, it just happens people take us as blind unintelligent people, which need a cause to live, so far I can say Im proud of my intelligence, im proud of my faith, that I dont have it for my own cause.

And a little not did you know that the final evolution of the human intelligence was that we became able to see and understand that there was something greater?


ohh and Harloff I will come to you later.

[Harloff]

Plaese refrain from giving path more beer he just becomes silly.
  But back to or original topic, in order to inspire the rest of you to follow my example i have made a few preliminary investigations.
  [TABLE=head;sort=1a,2,3]time |money|Mood factor|number of experiments|
100%|0 %|7 and 9|2|
75 %|0 %|8|1|
[/TABLE]
  Hence these first experiments show no depedency on money atl least not when you spend a lot of time with your girlfriend. Thus it is a waste of money to give her anything if you just have a sufficiently high amount of time. Furthermore, there is absolutely no indications that my girlfriend is evil in these experiments so far, but that could be caused by her knowing that I was conducting them, which means that she could have influenced the results by manipulating me.
  I am counting on Meizter to post the disclaimer of liabilety ASAP so that all of you can go out experimenting gathering data for this rocket science investigation.

[Harloff]

Niles, my mission has never been to try to convince you that religion is a virus nor a bad thing in all cases. You have just filled this thread with claims without any arguments starting with your "intelligent design = no gaps". These kinds of things act as a piece of red cloth on me (eventhough bulls are colorblind). And still you keep saying that "darwinism" lacks proofs, but you have not mentioned any experiments or observations that it cannot explain. As I stated earlier intelligent design has one mayor gap/flaw there is no scientific proof for the exsistance of god nor any other creator.
  You may believe in what you want to i don't mind, but please stop saying that darwinism lacks proffs without saying what it is lacking. Furthermore, if you want to dismiss "darwinism" on grounds of lack of evidence how come you keep defending a theory that lacks any kind of scientific evidence. The exsistance of god might be proven to you but I have never seen any kind of evidence, neither in my own life nor in the litterature.
  In your post you keep using the term "darwinism" without specifieng whether it is darwins theory "survivel of the fittest" or it is the entire "evolutionairy theory" please be more specific. It is hard to argue with you when we don't know what theory you are talking about.
  The funny thing about ID is that it is so old that even Darwin had to fight with it, it was just called "creationism" at that point. But in reality it is excactly the same, old wine on new bottles so to speak.
  *rubs his hands* I am glad to hear Niles, for a moment I though you had given up.

[NEXUS7]

>You say I have not proven my faith,
read my post again I said YOU HAVE proven you have faith, buy that dos not prove that god exist
Sorry but true.

>About disbelieving other religions, I dont neccasarely do

What! is this a new kind of religen i missed one that lets you belive in all gods?

>Science cant explain that, it cant explain my faith.
At last we get there! becouse faith is not Science and so not logic it is belife, im glad you see that now.

>Ive tried to see things from your view.
Sorry but I dont think for one moment you did, you just can not step out of faith like that sorry.

>proud of my faith
are pride see it was there all the time

>final evolution of the human intelligence
there is no final evolution of the human intelligence its an ongoing ever changing thing untill we are human no longer and we pass out gods.

>see and understand that there was something greater
and last of all hope
Hope that some thing or some one will save us from our selfs lest we pass our gods.

>It just happens people take us as blind unintelligent people
No I think you are unintelligent just that you try to use logic to prove your faith and that is wrong.
Your faith is just that faith it do not need logic to sutaion it for logic deniys faith.

Stop trying swist Science and logic to fit your belife
Keep your faith where it belongs and god will love you trust me he will.

[Red Monkey]

And this is why many people do not discuss religion for more than a few minutes at a time.


*Puts on his burka...his star of david..cucifix..anhk...prayer shawl...orthodox cross....eastern ortho symbol...Indalo symbol...saffron robes...hermetic seal, grabs his begging bowl, druid staff, a sack of other neckalaces, makes the sign of the Mudra and promptly falls over*

Only because I've been there...*muffled under all the junk*

Once you feel you believe in anything the real work begins.

[Niles09]

"What! is this a new kind of religen i missed one that lets you belive in all gods"
*sigh* didnt you hear, they all come from the same part, the difference is what way we believe in god, I believe in him as pure goodness, besides at least you can show respect to other religions.

"At last we get there! becouse faith is not Science and so not logic it is belefe can you see that now.
You belive things to be as they are not throw logic but throw faith. Just exsept it and stop tring to prove it with Logic
your faith is not logical it is unrashnal and ilogical just exspet that and stop trying to parm ID off as Science its not and never will be."
*sigh again* either we have a different sight on what logic is or either we keep disagreeing. I think its logic that something greater must have made those nearly imposible things in the evolution happen (and Harloff Ill come to those gabs later, at the moment Im concentrating on this since Ive got a chemical report hanging)

"For me a state of self denale of the facts just will not give me cunfort, I wont to know more that just "GOD made it so"
I like so many others feel that to ask WHY! is the core of being human."
ofcourse I feel the same, Ive been seeking answers the last five years of my life, and probaly will keep doing that until I die, but one thing I know is, as Ive been thinking more about it, God makes more sense (five years ago I thought God existed at that he started the BIG BANG then nature took over, but now I see thats to far out)

 "PS story are no good FACTS or all you have is mistasisem"
this is not a story the story way (a confusion because that means two things in danish) its true it did happen, and I can name other things later.

"proud of my faith"
no not the knightish pride way, not that I feel better or anything, not that I cant change my view.

"there is now final evolution of the human intelligence its an ongoing ever changing thing untill we are human no longer"
oh come on! you should know what I mean, yes we keep evolving but there is a bit more difference on our intelligence 3000 years ago and 15000 years ago.

"see and understand that there was something greater "
again you misunderstand my on purpose, its not because I hope that, it because it makes sense.

"after all you faith is just that Ilogical"
after this I do really hope I we dont have the same view of logic cause if we have, I really dont know how to express me in a kind way.

"exsept that and god will love you trust me he will"
well I dont know if this means anything to you, but he loves you as well.
 

 

[Harloff]

Niles09 - 11/28/2005 8:51 PM
  and Harloff Ill come to those gabs later, at the moment Im concentrating on this since Ive got a chemical report hanging
 

  There is no hurry this discussion is just for fun, other things come first for me as well.
  If you have any problems just ask, I am a chemical engeneer

[Niles09]

well actually yes I do indeed need help to a question here.

It is: explain how the beginningconsentration (c) of S2O3(aq) can be 0,0004 M when the concentration of 10 mL Na2S2O3(aq) is 0,004 M. The problem is I never made the little exercises with such calculating since I didnt get the notes on that. The only thing I can think of is to put it like Na2S2O3 -> S2O3 + 2Na
                                                                                                                                                                 n:
                                                                                                                                                                 c:


 but it seems like I need to find the volumen of S2O3.

[NEXUS7]

>It is: explain how the beginningconsentration (c) of S2O3(aq) can be 0,0004 M when the concentration of 10 mL Na2S2O3(aq) is 0,004 M. The problem is I never made the little exercises >with such calculating since I didnt get the notes on that. The only thing I can think of is to put it like Na2S2O3 -> S2O3 + 2Na
>n:
>c:

Pass, god im glad im a mechanical engineer EngD and not a chemist PhD
Good luck with that one

[freemen2]

Welcome back rusleBIFFEN bout time you popped-up again and thanks for the ale

Harloff - 11/28/2005  5:43 PM    Plaese refrain from giving path more beer he just becomes silly...

 Hey! I resent that you poor excuse for a viking decendant :p  I'll have you known I can drink you under the table and still keep a serious converstaion going...that's how silly I be  Well no jalousy is just another plug-in as well as a bunch of, tidious, others that seems to come with beeing in love with someone, for most people. If you want to use the coin bit for an example I would say that hate would be the other side of the coin.  Try and look at the emotion of loving someone at it's core, until you see only that.  Then you'll be able to see why and how those pesky plug-ins come into play...and only then. Jalousy is just another emotion that can only comme from a sense of propriety of the person you're in love with.  Feeling you own a person isn't loving them. And actually this has nothing to do with philosophy, psycology would come a little bit closer to it but then again, depending on which psy school is looking at it would depend on it's real distance away from it. It always makes me smile to hear things like: "that you cannot discriminate between the two, look at the one seperately from the other." Of course you can, anyone can if they really want to.  That sentence is just a cope-out in order to not dig deeper, not look closer at something.  In anycase, how can you truly see what a whole is made out of if you do not differiencate all the pieces that supposedly, makes it a whole? Since you like equations try this one: X(how you feel about anyone) = [L(love)] + (H(hate) = (F(fear) = s(sum of all plug-ins)) but wheras L is a constant H is defined by F, which in turn is dependent on s.  Well if you see change as a way to see that something is good or not, for ones' self, then it is progress isn't it  Yeah Cathos have this interesting quirk about auto-flagalation

[Niles09]

so simple yet so far.. It seems that I complely overrated how advanced thing was in the earlier work I made. I get it now, though not the question in the report. The thing is if fx NA2SO4 with 0,1 M goes into 2NA + SO4 the consentration for NA is 0,2, because there is two and 0,1 M for SO¤ cause there is one (SO4 is one complex) Though in this question it goes into 2Na + S2O3 so the S2O3 should be the same as NA2S2O3 though the concentration shows to be ten times smaller?! THe only thing I can see is that the 0,004 M for Na2S2O3 is both for that and the starch, and the starch is the biggest part of....

[Pibemanden]

Niles09 - 11/28/2005  2:04 PM

so simple yet so far.. It seems that I complely overrated how advanced thing was in the earlier work I made. I get it now, though not the question in the report. The thing is if fx NA2SO4 with 0,1 M goes into 2NA + SO4 the consentration for NA is 0,2, because there is two and 0,1 M for SO¤ cause there is one (SO4 is one complex) Though in this question it goes into 2Na + S2O3 so the S2O3 should be the same as NA2S2O3 though the concentration shows to be ten times smaller?! THe only thing I can see is that the 0,004 M for Na2S2O3 is both for that and the starch, and the starch is the biggest part of....

I think I remember this assignment from when I was at high school. Can you give me the number and I'll go look it up in my archive?

[NEXUS7]

Niles09 stop sighing it make you sound patronizing, look all I'm tying to do is make you see that the Scientific method and logic
Just don’t work when it comes to matters of faith.
>God makes more sense
Or
>I think its logic that something greater must have made those nearly impossible things in the evolution happen

Sorry just will not cut it in a Scientific paper sorry just try righting one and see how for you get


2: >yes we keep evolving but there is a bit more difference on our intelligence
Infect there is some discussion that we have indeed past the point of being human and should be called now Homo-tecnia Why you ask, well flowing in your veins are antibodies made throw inoculations you had as a child and now with live genetic manipulation. We are now longer as nature or god made us we are on the road to recreate our self’s in what ever image we can throw out skill. (That’s a very
Simple outline of the whole debate.)

>well I dont know if this means anything to you, but he loves you as well.
Well I’m glad you believe that.

So please stop trying to say your faith (as it is now) is logical and scientific just is not.
“Feeling” it is and saying “it makes sense to be logic” just will not cut it sorry
So you are going to stop hiding behind pseudoscience and start saying.
My faith and my science are separate.

If not then god help you because Science can not.

[Niles09]

I made it, though the happiness was shortly after replaced with the feeling of hitting a wall or something. Question 7 is even worse. Well it would be nice with a hand, the book is: KEMI øvelser af Helge Mygind 2/3. øvelse 2 spørgsmål 7.  
I dont want the result since that doesnt make me clever, but a point i nthe right direction would be nice. So far Ive said that n must be the same for both Na2S2O8 and S2O8 so they must be different in volumen.

[NEXUS7]

Freemen2 and nilos09
>Hey! I resent that you poor excuse for a viking decendant :p
>I'll have you known I can drink you under the table and still keep a serious converstaion going...that's how silly I be  

Right your on get your sorry asses over to
http://www.tentacles-convention.de/
Theres now escuse its in germany.
And we will just see just how well you two chaps stand up to good german beer and fine o so fine scots wisky
and  I will go into long talks about faith and god and fine beer.
If you wont ill bring some UK beer as well
can not say more than that

[Niles09]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ok no need for help, after staring on those numbers I suddenly saw a connection..... damn

[NEXUS7]

YAREKA!

[Thunder Pants]

i really wanted to avoid this Evolution vs creation argument as it really has no place here in these forums, but i wish to mention that evolution has been observed, and is often seen in insects due to their short life spans it's easier to see this is why insect become immune to bug poisons

[NEXUS7]

Thats it for me no more talk unless its with drinks.
I will end with

"Life is doubt, And faith without doubt is nothing but death."
Miguel de Unamuno (1864-1936)