Are whips any good

[Candyman111]

A whip would be even better if you added a spring steel blade, a hilt,pommel, and crossguard, and maybe if you took away its overall flexablility.  In other words....get a sword.

[Vyris]

Bryantiza - 11/30/2005  9:17 AM

I don't understand why the whips are so underpowered anyways. I mean in rl, a whip can do some serious damage if used properly... Surely it would do something like stun, or just cancels the attacked enemies current move, but does not stun him. I mean if I was about to hit someone and I was whipped I would be too busy screaming in pain to finish the attack... ah well thats my view. I'll stop talking now before I offend someone.

Got one word for you: Armor.

I don't care how good you are with a whip, if you smack me with a whip and I am wearing even reletively light padded armor I'm going to gut you like a fish with my sword before you do more than make me really mad.

Vyris

[Bryantiza]

yeah but thats why i stated that with most fighting made whips, they tend to have sharp metal blades attached to the end to pierce armor and stuff. with a sharp light blade at the end, a whip can do some serious damage even with pretty thick armor..not to sure how well it could do against ful plate though...any one care to wear some full plate armor to find out    *please note i'm only joking..... hehe*

[Vyris]

Bryantiza - 11/30/2005  12:26 PM

yeah but thats why i stated that with most fighting made whips, they tend to have sharp metal blades attached to the end to pierce armor and stuff. with a sharp light blade at the end, a whip can do some serious damage even with pretty thick armor..not to sure how well it could do against ful plate though...any one care to wear some full plate armor to find out    *please note i'm only joking..... hehe*

If you're going to stick spikes or blades on the end of a whip strong and large enough to penetrate armor you no longer have a whip, you have a morning star with a long reach.

Vyris

[Bryantiza]

it wouldn't have lots of spikes. *sighs* hmm i'm not sure how to decribe it... erm. its just a whip but with a single spiked metal coat on the end.

Check out the picture on this link (if it works)

http://people.freenet.de/Pchan/Quistis%20Final%20Fantasy%20VIII.jpg

you get what I mean?

edit: but obviously it wouldn't be as big as that as it wouldn't work bery well unless its light metal.... but you get the general idea?

[Gulnyr]

If you put an object on the end of a whip, like a blade, with enough mass to be effective against armor, you would change the way the whip worked.  The inertia of that object would change the way you would weild the whip, turning it into a sort of very long flail (but not a very good one).  It wouldn't really be a whip any more.  If the blade were small enough to still use the whip like a whip, it would be very light weight, so it wouldn't do anything to armored opponents, though it would help cut unprotected skin.

[Etinfall]

whips break the speed of sound barrier. With a metal on the end you would not be able to do that.

[Red Monkey]

***Old Fart Pontificates ALERT***

A whip does not break the sound barrier, although it does make a cracking sound by its ending action.  
Snapping your fingers does not break the sound barrier, but enough nitpicking.

The true power of a whip is to elicit pain avoidance. Any average person has no intention of having a whip hit them twice, regardless of the actual damage.  A verteran could not help but raise an arm in defence even while they are coming at you. A true master can blind you and do lordy knows what and tying someone to a post and going to town is excruiating and can lead to shock and infection but a whip is a tool for driving beasts and crowds.

Adding bits of glass and metal adds tetinus...more blood and more pain, too much added kills any accuracy even in the hands of a master.

In game you COULD argue that the target gets a -1 to hit from the fear of it and half movement towards you.  Damage resistant creatures would ignore it.  Could elicit fear from normal animals.

No more that 2 whip users can stack that -1 to hit....
Add magical effects to taste of course.

Nuts...this goes to the development threads now in spirit.

[orth]

Whips will pack a little more punch in the next update.  Still working out the changes.  Probably in base damage, critical threat and critical multiplier.

[Etinfall]

Red Monkey - 11/30/2005  4:24 PM

***Old Fart Pontificates ALERT***

A whip does not break the sound barrier, although it does make a cracking sound by its ending action.  
Snapping your fingers does not break the sound barrier, but enough nitpicking.

The true power of a whip is to elicit pain avoidance. Any average person has no intention of having a whip hit them twice, regardless of the actual damage.  A verteran could not help but raise an arm in defence even while they are coming at you. A true master can blind you and do lordy knows what and tying someone to a post and going to town is excruiating and can lead to shock and infection but a whip is a tool for driving beasts and crowds.



Adding bits of glass and metal adds tetinus...more blood and more pain, too much added kills any accuracy even in the hands of a master.

In game you COULD argue that the target gets a -1 to hit from the fear of it and half movement towards you.  Damage resistant creatures would ignore it.  Could elicit fear from normal animals.

No more that 2 whip users can stack that -1 to hit....
Add magical effects to taste of course.

Nuts...this goes to the development threads now in spirit.

Whip
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
For other uses, see Whip (disambiguation).
A whip is a tapered flexible length of either a single cord or plaited (braided) leather or other material, commonly with a stiff handle. Whips are used to produce a loud sharp sound—a "crack"—to drive or direct livestock or harnessed animals.
When rapidly shaken at the base, whips "crack" and make a loud noise because their tails have broken the sound barrier.
Other devices made of straps and used to strike human beings or animals as a means of control or punishment or torture are sometimes also called whips—though they do not crack. These may include riding crops, horse whips, and various flogging instruments.

from this site-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whip

so it seems both are correct.

[Etinfall]

and here.
http://www.earthsky.org/faqs/?f=96

FAQs about
When a whip "cracks," does it make the noise because the tip of the whip is breaking the sound barrier?
Yes, it does. When you snap a whip, you deliver energy to the handle portion of the whip. As that energy passes through the whip, the speed of the energy increases -- because the energy is spread out over a smaller area as the whip gets thinner and less stiff. At its tip, the whip may be moving at nearly twice the speed of sound. The speed of sound at sea level is seven hundred and sixty miles per hour.

So the tip of the whip moves faster than sound -- or "breaks the sound barrier." But why do we hear a noise when any object breaks the sound barrier?

A moving object creates pressure changes in the air around it. These changes move away from the object at the speed of sound. Most things in our everyday lives move slower than the speed of sound -- so they never catch up with the pressure disturbances they create. But if an object's velocity exceeds the speed of sound, the air molecules don't retreat fast enough to get out of the way of the object flying through them. The recoil of the air molecules creates a large amount of energy when the molecules smack back into each other. This movement of air molecules reaches our ear as the crack of a whip.

[Stephen_Zuckerman]

If you stuck a piece of pointy metal on the end, a whip would cease to become a whip, and become an elastic rope dart with a handle.

Though with just the usual end, someone who's good with a whip can still slice a person open; that little bit of leather, going as fast as it does, will go right through skin. Only if done right, but still. And saying that a whip designed to crack is not so much meant to cause harm as sound... Well, stand there, and let me hit you with mine. Then you can say it, if you still feel that way.

[Red Monkey]

Wikipedia.....you kids and your wikipedia.
  Using the term "breaking the sound barrier" is implicit with accelerating to a speed beyond the speed of sound.  Using it in lieu of "making a sound" is lazy.....wikipedia, WIKIPEDIA!
  *Blows the horn of battle and calls the old warriors*
  We cannot both be correct, two statements enter!
  One Statement leaves!

[Stephen_Zuckerman]

I, also, have some disdain for Wikipedia... It's unreliable; all articles are submitted by more-or-less random users of the site. I've come across several that I knew for a fact to be false.

Anyway, the description of why a whip makes a sound that was posted just before my attempt at wit is indeed correct, and needs no further explanation.

There's your truth.

As for why snapping one's fingers makes a noise? It's your finger hitting the palm of your hand that does it.

... Yes, I did spend twenty minutes proving that to myself. BUT THAT WAS A LONG TIME AGO. ;_;

[Guardian 452]

orth - 11/30/2005  4:51 PM

Whips will pack a little more punch in the next update.  Still working out the changes.  Probably in base damage, critical threat and critical multiplier.

Yay I know a certain Bard/Slalld of Xeen who is gonna be happy!  

[Stephen_Zuckerman]

I know quite a few people who'll be happy... Are whips Martial or Exotic in Layo?

[FlameStrike]

They are Exotic, from last time i had seen one.

[NEXUS7]

Hazar
Looks like the whip thing will be looked into in the next update cool

I like the idaer of whips as a uneck wepon one that takes dedication to larn.
1: one feat to get it.


There is a wepon which is a balde on a chain thats how you get a whip with a blade
ya need some thing strong to hold the blade and it dont CRACK like a whip.

All looks good to me

Are whips DEX or STR to hit?
Say there DEX and a small wepon so expertes works
the grate clive would good if used with trip

I like the idear that whips dont kill they just subdue
feels better to me.

[NEXUS7]

>Got one word for you: Armor.

>I don't care how good you are with a whip, if you smack me with a whip and I am wearing even reletively light padded armor I'm going to gut you like a fish with my sword before you do >more than make me really mad.

>Vyris

I agree with that but remeber in Layonara magic could push PAIN throw that armor as the natuer of the whip is unneak
or if it could trip and was a dex wepon than that same armor could be come your down fall.
Thats why I like trip.

One of the resaons that full plate armor was over taken in history was the fact that foot men in light armor with the new
High carben Stelto style rapeers could inflicks peasring wouns throw that armor the more you try to make that armor proof to
such atacks the more restrictive it became. Only in mass combat on and off hosues did it sustain a place
untill gun powder put pay to its protetive eliments even in that.

A man with full plate on has a hell of a job running down a man with no armor and a fine sword.
In mass combat this is not true but in a one to one fight in the open.
Your dead if you have full plate on for a long combat, ya have to close and kill as fast as you can.
Or your just swinging half blind trying to get a lucky hit wile yous light aponent just bides his time

Like a wolf hunting elk he can just run you down.
If he has a bow or cross bow ya just as dead.

But NWN is not the real world so I would say whips should cut throw armor.

Thats just my point of view

[lunchboxkilla]

Armor has gaps joints and open holse that can lead to an easy death to the person that wears it.  A helm can nopt cover a neck, Arms need to move freely, and if your a man.... Plates of steel down there!?Moving as fast as I run? your kidding right?