Monstrous races allowed in Center?

[Pen N Popper]

Would an undisguised goblin be allowed in Center?

[Lance Stargazer]

Center as it stands its an outpost, there is not really a town if make sense, its a place that holds people that lives there and near, but not a town per see.  there is no guard town, just the Rofirenites whom had voluntarly set to patrol the area, they were set there under the request and by player actions.

Acording to that, A goblin or any other monstrous race would be cause the same kind of disconfort as any other place, It is bad that one orc , goblin, dark elf or whatever to be running around the outpost without any caution, still the people will be afraid and there should one or other brave man that might show up to the task or call the rofirenites , at any point a chaos will raise for the presence of a "monster" in the streets

The only place that has a law ( and a mechanical restriction ) for monstrous races is Hempstead, yet some common sense is expected from the players of monstrous races to play them realisticly.

My two trues

[miltonyorkcastle]

In short, to add to what Lance already said:

Allowed (not illegal)- Yes.
Liked- No.
Possibly attacked by zealous do-gooders- Yes.
Protected as a citizen under law- No. (meaning the attack of the zealous do-gooder would very likely go unpunished, even if he/she was the aggressor and the goblin does nothing overtly evil)

[Lance Stargazer]

Protected as a citizen under law- No. (meaning the attack of the zealous do-gooder would very likely go unpunished, even if he/she was the aggressor and the goblin does nothing overtly evil)

Other than being a goblin of course ( again interpretation of a normal living person of the world . where monsters are monsters and evil by nature.

But agree fully with what Milty expressed there

[Pen N Popper]

Sounds reasonable. Just wanted to make sure there weren't already IC events that would automatically disallow it.

[gilshem ironstone]

There was an orc attack on Center.  So there might be extra sensitivity to them.

[Dorganath]

In short, to add to what Lance already said:

Allowed (not illegal)- Yes.
Liked- No.
Possibly attacked by zealous do-gooders- Yes.
Protected as a citizen under law- No. (meaning the attack of the zealous do-gooder would very likely go unpunished, even if he/she was the aggressor and the goblin does nothing overtly evil)

To add to this list:

Legally prosecuted for attacking/killing said do-gooder? No, but the do-gooder's friends may seek some sort of retribution.

[drakogear]

meaning the attack of the zealous do-gooder would very likely go unpunished, even if he/she was the aggressor and the goblin does nothing overtly evil

Hm, so... a little starving goblin is seen trying to trade with a food merchant and a zealous do-gooder comes up and attacks the goblin? Some how that zealous do-gooder does not really seem much like a good person now. O.o

[Script Wrecked]

Hm, so... a little starving goblin is seen trying to trade with a food merchant and a zealous do-gooder comes up and attacks the goblin? Some how that zealous do-gooder does not really seem much like a good person now. O.o

Incorrect; the zealous do-gooder has prevented the vile little creature from spreading disease amongst the good citizens of Center, stealing cattle, kidnapping children, and eating babies. They probably deserve a medal.

[Tanman]

@drakogear A goblin is not like a pet or any other being that is considered 'friendly' for that matter.
 
 It seems to me that players playing monstrous races should be treated the same as everyone else. This is a misconception.
 
 These creatures are simply scary for the common folk. They are not like cute little creatures.
 
 There will be distrust in the general populace toward them and that is a given.

[drakogear]

*sighs* so much oppression towards mosterious races.

Hm, kinda wander then... would a deformed human be considered a monster and be attacked buy a zealous do-gooder? Say... some one one with Leprosy?

Or rather... how would a Wemic be seen by a zealous do-gooder? Wemics are a monsterious race but also tend to be more chaotic good.

[drakogear]

It seems to me that players playing monstrous races should be treated the same as everyone else. This is a misconception.

Also I wasn't trying to implying anything like that. just wanted to try and point out a possible scenario in witch were the goblin was trying to be good and make a fair trade for some food.

Do remember meeting a goblin in game once. Was quite interesting really... especially since he had Deekins (the kobolt from the expansions) voice some how. Sadly I forgot the name.

Though now I also wander about another thing. Witch would you say is more good? Trying to make peace and try teaching the creature how to be good... or just go all out and genocide them?

(Genocide: wiping out an entire species of life form. Men women and children.)

[Script Wrecked]

*sighs* so much oppression towards mosterious races...

*sigh* Its not oppression!

A monstrous race is not "just" an exotic race; they are monstrous. The monstrous races have a whole lot of gravitas associated with them which can be found in the Lore.

[Script Wrecked]

Also I wasn't trying to implying anything like that. just wanted to try and point out a possible scenario in witch were the goblin was trying to be good and make a fair trade for some food.

Yeah, and that's what's going to happen. No-one's going to welcome him with open arms. "Ah, look, that's one of those 'nice' goblins trying to make good". He's going to get hounded by 99% of the population, and going to suffer trying to find the 1% that does give him a chance (if he lasts that long). And that's what gives that story depth.

[Tanman]

@Drako,
 
 

Also I wasn't trying to implying anything like that. just wanted to try and point out a possible scenario in witch were the goblin was trying to be good and make a fair trade for some food.
 

How would anyone know what the intent of the goblin was? How does anyone know that they are meaning ill intentions?
 
 

Hm, kinda wander then... would a deformed human be considered a monster and be attacked buy a zealous do-gooder? Say... some one one with Leprosy?
 

Big difference here. deformed human . Goblin = Monstrous race.
 
 Even in this instance for some....the deformed human might be avoided but that can vary.

[Shiokara]

On the subject of Wemics and other generally friendly exotic races (in which I will include sea elves), I would expect some amount of misidentification, fear, and violence directed at such creatures. First, Wemics and Sea Elves do not have the common ear at creation unless it is approved by the CA team. This means that they must rely on non-verbal modes of communication, which is problematic when facing a scared or angry townsperson/adventurer. Additionally, these races are largely unknown to the populace apart from a few towns (thinking of the Shrines to Shindaleria on Dregar and Druids).

Wemics in particular are problematic because they are large and have sharp claws, which are both threatening.

In short, if you're playing an exotic, friendly race, then expect problems.

These problems, however, are minute compared to playing an exposed monstrous character. In addition to the previous posters' points, exposed monstrous characters have problems both IC and OOC due to certain quest areas being off limits. Additionally, even a masked monster is barred access from certain places. One should assume, for example, that the guards outside Hempstead would require any approaching travelers to reveal their faces.

From a lore standpoint, a lone, exposed goblin would be unlikely. Goblins are known for their cunning and heightened awareness of social situations due to the way their societies are generally structured. Thus, adventuring goblins would likely study social queues and languages of similar small creatures so they could pass. I don't care to spark any debate on the ethics/value of playing a hidden monstrous character.

[Shiokara]

Though now I also wander about another thing. Witch would you say is more good? Trying to make peace and try teaching the creature how to be good... or just go all out and genocide them?

Clerics of Az'Atta and other passive deities would argue the former while Toranites, Voraxians, and many, many others would argue the latter.

[Aphel]

As far as I understand it, the Conducts of Virtue do not allow for Genocide. It would violate Valor, Empathy, Restraint and to some extent Honorable Combat. A Follower of Toran who slaughters to eradicate a race (non-undead, non-fiendish etc) and therefore commits genocide hardly can do so within the Conducts of Virtue as I understand them.

[Alatriel]

Please remember that you can't apply 21st century thoughts on "equal rights" to Layo.  Goblins are like cockroaches.  It's not genocide to kill every one you find, it's just good sense.  The Conducts of Virtue wouldn't have an issue with killing large evil cockroaches, and I highly doubt anyone is going to be upset with a Toranite killing goblins.  Goblins are large evil cockroaches.  Remember, they aren't seen as being equal because they simply aren't.  They're not "people", they're monsters.  The term "genocide" would only work for races that were considered to be worth protecting.  Anything else, extermination is simply good sense.

[Nehetsrev]

Sure, sure... a Toranite may thoughtlessly slay monsters and call it extermination, until some druid comes along and teaches them that even cockroaches have a vital role to play in maintaining the balance of nature.  Then they might actually start -thinking- and due to their predisposition to be compassionate, empathetic, and merciful toward non-monsterous races, they might also choose to begin extending those traits to monstrous races.  One might one day stand in front of a crowd of onlookers and proclaim boldly, "I have a dream..."  For a divine law or principal is just that, divine, and therefore logically applies to all creatures, great and small.  For is it not the divine nature to discern and judge the soul of a being, rather than the body?
 
Now you might ask, why does I argue thus?  Simply to state that each character is a being unto themselves, and thus has the ability to apply the teachings of their faith to their own thoughts and interactions with others in the world.  There is always room for people to deviate from the norm.  It may not be probable, or popular, or accepted by the masses, but it is possible.