The World of Layonara
The Layonara Community => Introduce Yourself => Topic started by: Joyrock on May 13, 2007, 06:35:07 pm
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Hello and greetings from across the lake.
I am a admin of a larger, and one of the longest lasting line of NWN servers. most my DM team got very busy battling a beast called 'skool' and left to script,build,host,and manage the server for a few months alone was very hard when it was when it was a newly made version that was never fully finished. the players grew laxed and could only RP when a DM was around after many,many trys to get players to RP on there own, a few of the kindest, and better RPers of the community tempted by me have decided to pick up and go else where.
Tired of DMing I heard of a few good places that would be great, I asked around and this place came up from a few other friends. One player al'ready has some family that plays here, seems all roads lead here.
So after studying up on your ways, and the server rules you can look forward to some nice,friendly,Rpers showing up to introduce themselves I thought I would make this topic for them to do just that. :)
Samandria & risen-and-reborn are examples of the friendly folks you can look forward to seeing, we are all taking our time making chars reading your history,etc
:D I will go first!
Hi I am joyrock, I am long time RPer, I am a great friendly guy that loves games mechanics, mages, building for NWN and scripting. came here looking for a place I could just be a player and relax, meet some kind folks, and have fun with great RP.
Going to have fun learning your ways, and hope you bare with us barbarians with our strange ways as we adjust to yours, thats about it.
P.S. Where are the RP forums? you know that lovely place where I post pages about what my char does in there daily life while I am at a PC but not able to play NWN?
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As Joyrock has spoken of, I am one of the DM's that has been working on this newer version of the server with Joyrock. As I have also discovered that players on the server we came from, have become almost fully dependant upon DM's to create roleplay.
So, I have also moved over to here, first to study the lore, maps, and gods of the campaign and familiarize myself before sending in my first character.
I am aleksei. I have like joyrock, role played for a long time (if you want to know how long, you're welcome to PM me :P ) and I am a generally level headed guy and I will go with about anything for the sake of roleplay.
And to add to Joyrocks' mention of barbarians.
"Yarsh yarsh, ve got dah h'axe" :P
I hope to learn more of Layonara and hope to call this my new "home" away from home.
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It'll be great to have you all with us... If you ever need help, just seek out a Kinai Ancalime or Amaris Tinuviel and send me a Tell, and I'll do what I can :)
Welcome to Layonara.
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Heya Joyrock. I'm another from that server, but i was never a DM.
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Greetings and welcome.
Hopefully our timzones might overlap and we can RP at some point.
Otherwise I'm sure you'll enjoy yourselves.
Polak76
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Welcome! And the character development journals thread is a place to keep up the day to day of your PC located here: http://www.layonara.com/character-development/
Oh, you can located Hawklen Ancalime or Amras Tinuviel. Be warned, hawk is unpredictable and may tell you to sod off ;)
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That's why he has Kinai...She's the nice side :)
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That's why he has Kinai...She's the nice side :)
*raises a brow* Oh? She just keeps him semi sane dear. ;)
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She loves his insane side! Semi sane is fine, he's a cutie.
**coughs** Okay, let's not hijack the thread.
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Welcome to the server guys. Look forward to reading your submissions and seeing oyu in game.
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There are three tavern forums, which mostly serve to post notices now, but could also be used for RP purposes.
Welcome to Layonara. I look forward to meeting you.
Serissa (Ferrit Pandorn/Sala Stonehill)
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....This may be interesting.
It shall certainly serve to amuse me....
Lets see what happens, how this progresses....Welcome, Welcome, now Shall We dance? *winks*
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Welcome welcome. Give a holler should you need anything, Aiek or Lolli, both willing. Have fun.
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Heya Joyrock. I'm another from that server, but i was never a DM.
your a DM in my eyes risen ;) I mentioned you in my post. Who could forget Nox the mistrusting tiefling? just to update you on it, jimblee and Celezar are heading on over so is rainne. Have not talked to baron,tact,mace,or proky but I am getting around to it. oh and how can I forget poor Star.
So there is a few more of your pals to come. Just reading up on history, rules,the world, and a few other things.
oh thanks also to you folks posting back on my P.S.
We really wish to try and learn as much as of this place as we can, don't want to make it seem like a noob storm, or a hostile take over. We fully wish to adapt to the server before setting down.
mav your great with accents but you forgot one. Vere varv va wampires?
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Welcome aboard!
Looking forward to meeting you all. *bows*
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the Character Development section of the forums is where you put your character's personal RP stuff. Otherwise, there's a wide variety of RP forums, like the tavern forums that Serissa mentioned.
If you haven't found the "start here" page or LORE, check the links near the top of the page. LORE will be invaluable to you to familiarize yourself with the custom additions to Layo.
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ok a few of us are looking at making a group of brothers from a long fallen noble house, that fell through it dark part in making a blood well for Sinthar, gained power from his return, and later after his defeat the house fell into ruin when it support of his return was found out.
what we were wondering, is where could we find info on the forsaken isles, and on Sinthar and his allies.
to better tie in the house's dark shameful past into it alittle better.
also wish to know about Prajanas isle - in the Red Dust Hills
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you might have to wait until the release of the next handbook before you get enough info on Bloodstone to make characters that are the offspring of his former supporters.
Also, there are limitations to the status (nobility, fame (or infamy), etc.) a starting character can have. I'm betting that in your case, since the house has now been in ruin for some years that your characters are not in danger of having much status. Still, it's something to keep in mind. You can't be playing the long lost daughter of Sinthar or something.
for everything else, there's LORE, or hopefully a GM will have a better answer for you.
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checked the lore have not found much info on it, right now there is a few of us pouring over it on MSN helping create chars.
currently this is what I have as the base for my char, there are 4 player members of the house the eldest and very odd controling borther. mine the rebel middle with selfish wants, the youngest and not the brightest or remotely good looking brother, and there adopted sister from the streets.
pretty much we come from our family house in some rundown place if we were to tell storys of it, it would have alot of fireball marks and cats.(can't have a run down place with out cats!;)
eldest brother gaining what left of the familys small wealth (next to nothing) would dress some what better then the rest, the middle (me) would dress more like a normal mage, and the youngest rather poorly.
some where in the family line inbreeding took place to keep the familys talent for magic (sorc based) around. with the line dwindling we fallen to a sad state. we live in nothing with each having there own goals.
the family would no longer be noble being all claims to that had been stripped from them, only thing left was a dwindling wealth which through time is nearly completely dried up to what ever basic starting gear we have.
the idea behind these blood wells, is merely a reason for others to see a great injustice done by this family, of once petty self serving folks.
I thank you for your comments, on knowledge of these blood wells. knowledge of this is not really that important, what more so is, is locations of slums, or
the two locations i posted about the forsaken isles, or the Prajanas isle - in the Red Dust Hills.
while knowledge on blood wells is not important a place of orgin is.
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Welcome to Layonara all of you. I hope and trust you will find what you seek in this great world.
As stated allready, no character can have claim to nobility, so the nobililty of the house should be totally destroyed and clear understanding is needed to no claim can be made at any moment of time. As such the knowledge of this house would almost be non-existant, the only ones who would know of its lost nobility is probably the four family members if they even choose to remember it.
As for bloodwell and bloodpools, there is not much information known about these, except perhaps in the highest levels of arcane groups or temples of Lucinda. Location of some of the bloodpools are known, but those are the ones which were destroyed. Those not destroyed their location is possibly unknown or kept very secret by a select few. And creating a bloodpool is not something that would have happened easily (if it even possible). Like I said not much is known about them :) I think you will be way better of to leave any reference regarding bloodpools out of your background as it will make approval of your characters a nightmare.
The same probably ring true of Sinthar Bloodstone (except if you want to somehow relate to aiding him many years in the past which has no direct bearing on the current characters but are merely old family history (which might not even be true, who knows).
As for the Forsaken Islands, that is not some place where you will live, except if you are undead. The Forsaken Islands till recently have been cursed and any who linger to long there or even near there would be turned into undead.
Your one source of information is LORE, but the other very important source is the campaign handbook which can be found here (http://www.layonara.com/local_links.php?action=jump&id=42&catid=8).
As for places where the family could find themselves, basically anywhere, but towns that have a less than good reputation would include, Katherian and Prantz. Prantz being ruled by one of Sinthar's generals, so if you really set on being part of Bloodstone, then perhaps Prantz and being part of that army that invaded is not a bad idea.
Hope this helps you a bit.
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thanks, I have two GREAT RPers, just great Rpers that like to play odd chars often dealing with very odd chars. I chose to help them to make them fit in easier with the move and all. It is always a nightmare to do there char requests lol, thus the problem with players of there talents, "always the hardway"
I fully understand the no claim to nobility which was why the house fell many years ago, completely unknown, dead much like the house of usher, just with having there nobility stripped from them (means no longer nobel). though stripped they continued there idea of propper up bringing, which is what we mainly wish, not alot of RP choices for such choices lol. cousins wedding cousins to keep the line 'pure' and there mage talents in the line. Very distant inbreeding.
Sinthar was able to return after thousands of years through the use of portals that a rare few believe may be tied to Blood Wells. It seems that during his time on the World he had created a few Wells to help in his battles against the Dragons. When he was banished he was able to communicate with one in control of a well. With this he corrupted those and they eventually fell under his limited control. With this limited control he influenced them to create a few more wells and thus his power grew. He was able to convince a few to willingly help his cause with the promise of knowledge, power and wealth. After hundreds of years he created enough power in three of the wells that he was able to bring an army through from the Planes.
the above is pretty much where we got the idea and felt it fit perfectly with the history we sought, a guilted mark on a once good folk. don't wish to be evil just have a less then perfect past that spans generations. that sought power and greed gained it later to only pay for there deeds.
We wish no char relation to Sinthar, much as you said old long dead family members that have no real impact on chars just old family history, which as you said may or may not be true. which I feel adds a nice unknown factor to our chars that we don't even know about. Many house's were wrongly acused of crimes by politcal enemies.
question on the blood wells thing though, could the crime we don't know the the family ever did was be acused of safe guarding one of these destroyed blood wells?
pretty much they got about 3-5 page bio's already in the works.
thanks for getting back to us, please feel free to MSN me about any questions your DM's might have I will be working with everyone to make sure things go over smoothly.
I asked them to stay away from evil, so living in a place around Pratz is probly not best. they just merely wish to have a questionable evil past, that has brought woe and what not on our poor heads, giving us cause for whatever road we choose to take.
and thanks for the link to the players handbook, I will make sure every player coming over gets a copy of it. (could have used one of these lol, only so much you can do with major history and godspages)
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Welcome!
Welcome, welcome, welcome!
Sad to hear about your other server, sorry it went down like that! All buisnesses within the first year struggle, that's what I hear alot. (Not saying your server was a buisness but you get the picture.)
Barbarians huh? If yoo speaks dumb dumb then me knows you.
Basically Taric can easily speak dumb to barbarians, hopefully have a few adventures and teach Taric a few things about fighting...I hope one of your barbarians use a sissy rapier to fight, and use sneak attacks...No? Ah screw it! :D
Welcome aboard!
Taric/XBlade
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Welcome to Layo. You're gonna like it here. Guaranteed. :)
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hey nice to see some name that is familar , joyrock ,risen ,aleksei ..
well this sure is nice to see . i hope everything will work out for you guys also :)
well as some might guess , i am part of these people in a sense i guess we can call it
i was a DM there and it was my first time as one ever . man it was hard at time and others ..quite fun . anyway i serious look forward to see you all and anyone else here too
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Welcome!
Just a note on blood wells. They're insanely powerful things, not something that there would be too many of in all honesty. There was only one known to exist in recent history, and its destruction was a major event (plot-level as well as world-altering). Blood pools are a different matter....smaller, more portable and a necessary decoration for any evil genius' lair. ;)
Anyway, my personal advice would be to steer away from the blood well aspect and stick with blood pools, if you're intent on going that direction...though even that is subject to a review by the top Loremasters here....and one of them carries a whip. ;)
Sinthar Bloodstone has been defeated now for a little over a decade in game years. Our timeline (http://nwn.layonara.com/TheLayonaraTimeline) states:
1402
A large group of heroes destroy Bloodstone and the war ends. At nearly the same time a Bloodwell is destroyed in the Demon Tower and the resulting explosion levels a large part of the Demon Mountains and puts the world into the Dark Ages due to the dust and debris that circles the globe.
As has been mentioned, there is an updated handbook coming out as soon as it can be completed, and this will contain a lot more current and up-to-date information. However, you likely don't want to wait for that, so the suggestion would be to work up a biography (taking the above into account), submitting the bio and then working with our character approvers and GMs to get things worked out so they make sense.
Welcome again, and enjoy your stay.
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Star you made it! glad to see you.
Well our server was, well it had been around to long, to many folks living off past glory. It was great and fun, but the infighting just got to much to handle, we were so split your best bet was to pick a side and grab your sword! *calls the charge as the cannons fire* we became 4 servers in the end there was only 2 servers that had any players, the one I was admin of still got 13-20 and had the highest player count, but school took many away from us and many folks that could do the work needed. It just got to much to handle I was keeping the server going for everyone else. never even getting to play my char. been plotting to sneak off here for along time, and when I did I asked a few friends to come along.
seems they changed it on me, they want a more 'Fall of the house of Usher' feel to it. So we are going back to the basic idea and will work from there :\
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Hi I am yuyu, I am another one of those players from that strange place. We just keep comin don't we? Anywoo like the place, and hi to all my old friends!:D
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I have decided it best not to play here, to many "You must be playing here fpr a year" rules when NWN2 will be the place to RP by the time I can access half the things basic NWN nonmultiplayer allows me to access from the box.
I am sorry I just can't go through the hours it takes to make a char to run into those rules, and the more I read the more restrictions there are. :(
Nothing against anyone or this place, but I just don't like RP restricted to pretty you must be a human fighter, you must be good, and you must go through being OKed. I thought the OK's were to see if you were capable of Rping it in the manner befiting this place. That was a mistake -I- made.
will still be cheering for the rest of you working on your chars.
I post this not as anything bad, just giving my reasons, I am sure you like to keep up with what turns folks away.
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i welcome you... and so does Shinrei's hellhound... be careful though... that pooch has a mean habit of "marking" people *chuckles* just ask Xblade... i made my pooch mark him :D
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I have decided it best not to play here, to many "You must be playing here fpr a year" rules when NWN2 will be the place to RP by the time I can access half the things basic NWN nonmultiplayer allows me to access from the box.
I am sorry I just can't go through the hours it takes to make a char to run into those rules, and the more I read the more restrictions there are. :(
Nothing against anyone or this place, but I just don't like RP restricted to pretty you must be a human fighter, you must be good, and you must go through being OKed. I thought the OK's were to see if you were capable of Rping it in the manner befiting this place. That was a mistake -I- made.
will still be cheering for the rest of you working on your chars.
I post this not as anything bad, just giving my reasons, I am sure you like to keep up with what turns folks away.
I'm not quite sure why you have some of the impressions you have. Perhaps it is a misunderstanding about some things, but a few of your comments above aren't quite accurate. However, if you feel this isn't the right place for you, then I hope you find another place that is more suiting to your play style and desires in an online world.
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I have decided it best not to play here, to many "You must be playing here fpr a year" rules when NWN2 will be the place to RP by the time I can access half the things basic NWN nonmultiplayer allows me to access from the box.
I am sorry I just can't go through the hours it takes to make a char to run into those rules, and the more I read the more restrictions there are. :(
Nothing against anyone or this place, but I just don't like RP restricted to pretty you must be a human fighter, you must be good, and you must go through being OKed. I thought the OK's were to see if you were capable of Rping it in the manner befiting this place. That was a mistake -I- made.
will still be cheering for the rest of you working on your chars.
I post this not as anything bad, just giving my reasons, I am sure you like to keep up with what turns folks away.
I think I'll PM this to you too.
you do NOT need to be a 'goody human,' well.. any of that. The only restrictions currently are evil and chaotic neutral.
That being said, I have one of the nicest evil characters around, her names Beil. (Beilidel) I couldn't start her as evil because of the alignment restrictions, so She is a lawful neutral monk of Corath. what does that mean? well, not a heck of a lot to most people. But, her god is CE, hated, and illegal to worship. She follows laws but thinks they area bit lax when they are in her favor, but part of her is spreading chaos (you'll find out in a few years the chaos that happens if you stick around, heha!)
anyway, why am I posting this? We don't want to turn people away, we want people to come and beable to immerse themselves in the world. Make your characters, modify their background to fit into an alignment, and walk around for a day and see.
Oh, and any of ya'll are quite welcome to come up and say hullo to Beilidel! shes really quite nice, but I'm told she steals everyones hearts... she did get killed in a fit of jealousy already ;)
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Well It rather restricting being there are only 9 alighnments and 4 of them 40% are restricted. One I can play if I am here for a month, and the rest I can play after 9 months. Why put that much time into NWN only being able to use 60% of the alignments?
There also other restrictions, many of these 1 year PRC's, and more. For some like your self who has been playing here I am sure your rather use to it all, and have access to a great many things.
Much like you said if I stick around for a year. Not something I want to do to gain access to a great many things I can have right from the go on most any other server.
really like the place and don't mind the bio part. But your -forced- to play LG,NG,CG,LN,and TN.
been playing NWN for many years, I grow tired of the actual game, let alone the normal restrictions on the game. limiting access to other alignments limits RP.
I don't want to take the days it takes to make a good bio, and char concept to find out I can't play it due to section 8 pargraph 9. None of this for noobs no matter how good you are at RP, nor how much you read.
thanks for reaching out, besides I am great friends with celezar and jimblee and much like Joyrock says I don't think they will want to play here with such restrictions.
9-12 months is a LONG time to wait with NWN dieing off. In that much time NWN2 will be good.
I just don't think it something you can understand playing here for so long, and having access to the things I don't/won't for 9 -12 months. was willing to start over willing to be a noob on a new scary server, but not for that long.
the whole you must be human you must be a fighter thing was to show how bland your restrictions are to new folks. You can't be anything on the slightly evil side for along time. While your server looks nice, bio's required, and heavy restrictions just don't make it worth it, the bio's I don't mind, I like the idea but I liked it for the wrong reasons. I thought you could play any alignment you wanted they were just subject to a most likely no unless your bio is good. but that not is the case. It is a matter of time something no matter how hard or how good I RP I can't change. :( 9 months to play, when you still got to do work to get in the door. Don't mind doing the work to get in, but even then your just in. Sure if I submit a bio I would probly really like the place. But I am sure I would like some other place just as much, that I don't have to wait 9 months to a year for something.
like I said above it is not you guys turning me away, it is a battle with time, and how much I value mine at. I log probly 40 hours a week on NWN, that along time play good, and my last two chars were super good, and playful good. alot of good, only fun neutral for me is chaotic.
I guess you can say in some ways I don't like how you don't allow folks to prove they can RP something, that you inforce a rule based on time, alot of time before allowing them to prove anything. I could understand a month or two but 9 just pretty unrealistic to ask someone to wait.
played good a hundred times, and for 9 months that pretty much it for me. That why i don't feel it would work out, if I was a new player sure I would love it, but I am not new, I am a old player. I have played with out the need of hak pack's forever, just the need of freedom to RP as long as you can RP it is what I am looking for in a server, and well please don't take this the wrong way but I feel your server is more for new players then vets.
thanks for everything ^^
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I understand what you are saying really, but I also understand the reasons why these are there. There is a limit on what the community is willing to accept about pvp and bad rp and it has been expanded recently (pvp). Now giving the opportunity to new players to play strait up the bats LE or NE, without knowing what kind of community this is, the back stories and front stories to this world, is bound to make poor rp. Also this is actually preventing an open pvp battle between good and evil that I have seen on other server, which can bring down the level of fun we have.
I have been here for a year now and have recently submitted my first NE char for this community and it has been turned down, am I sad? a little. Mad? not at all because I understand that it is to preserve the level and quality of rp we all have.
Every one here will tell you that once you start playing here it is very hard to not play here, I am sure that if you give it time you would understand why we try to preserve the greatness of this place, and this is one step that has been taken to make sure it is. And like Lisanwillow said, there is a process in game that can happen to slowly but surely change your alignment, coupled with the character development threads that we keep.
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Well I can RP with a stick, the server I come from does not have half the fancy nobs and whistles, and the likes. What I want is freedom, and I am willing to earn that. But the thing is this.
I could out right blow your minds, and for argument sacks become the greatess player in the history of this server. Just a all around fantastic player. BUT that still does not get me around the timer.
Sure I understand it is to keep the trash out of this place, but it also keeps the great Rper's out the folks who are great people that have everything but the time to wait.
I mean this server is nice and all but who is to say it will be around in 9 months or have a playerbase over 15? So I spend all this time waiting to earn something, that might be pointless by the time I can get it. NWN is at the end of it's ropes. NWN2 is the hot new thing with a expansion coming out and just that alone offers alot what this servers makers took along time to create.
it just time is a door being a good person,great Rper, and spending many hours can't pass.
I honestly had no wish to make a evil char, but if you limit that you limit more, and I have seen alot of limits. And I understand it is to insure players feeling don't get hurt. But I want to RP. Now I can tell you playing here or someplace else it all NWN. only thing that matters is the level of RP. and in a carebear server like this, I am pretty sure I don't need to worry about any evils other then DM related trying to mess up my char's perfect day.
Just tell me this, is this or is it not a carebear server?
carebear server - A server where above all else a players feelings are taken into account, evil is done mainly by DM's and you logon to say hi, pick flowers, bash monsters, fight Dm evils craft things, hang out in a house, and the closes thing to player evil is that one guy that steals your bread with you fully knowing he did, because he had to ask you first.
I don't like this stuff, it something I could get on WoW, or a social server. lack of fears, or not worring about other players due to 90% of them being good natured or neutral.
If you can honestly tell me, that there is more to loging on then crafting things, socializing, bashing monsters, and doing DM events I will stay.
but if it just sit around, talking or gathering resources while I wait for a DM to logon to spawn something on me ,to steal my shovel so I can gather a party of mighty hero's to get back my shovel. Then it is WoW with DM's I just feel this place does not want real RP it wants carebears. folks that logon and say they wub you. I don't mean this to insult the makers, or anyone but that just the impression I get, and that was all fine 4 years ago when NWN was new and so was I but I done EVERYTHING. and even freedoms to do things get old when you have done them so much you can guess how fun not being able to do things would be.
I just kinda feel like it is one of those movies where to protect you from your self the laws are very strict, and freedoms or revoked to insure everyone is happy and at peace, the whole perfect society thing, very borring.
Once again this is the way you folks like it, and that not how I like it, so why waste a few days to get in the door to find out you don't like it? that a pickpoket PM's you saying, is it alright if I pickpoket you? -.-
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i had seen alot i like here already and i had not even gotten out of start city with my character so to speak :) . but yeah i also am a little ..how to put it , surprised and slightly sad about the time you need to stay here . i do think those thing with time like 9-12 months are ..bit to much , who say i am alive to that time , not like i can look into the future :p
i do understand why though but it honestly ..it much to ask people to wait about a year for certain things . but i am also sure people would like here once they settle down and get the hang of most of the background and story and ofcourse get their character into it :) and the friendly attitude here is major plus also
i also like the rule about CE , i had seen too many just ..well attacking insted of really rping on that alginment .
now i would normaly say you cant really say how good a player that play good would play a LE as example ..know the saying "dont judge a book by its cover" ? ..this is just my meaning that you cant judge how good a player would rp certain thing untill they try . who knows they might actualy be very good ;)
the bio idea here is a good one but i admit i was really really nervours . i am not good at bios as it is hard so i would often spend hours trying to get it to fit and tryping . then ran over the text 3 times to see if i can see a mistyping and fix it . but the idea is good . it allow the dms to have it stored and i guess it can be used later
but the entire crafting system and general how it had been build up ingame ...good work :) i really enjoy how it look . so yuyu^^ ..if you ask me . then i think you would find it real fun here but whatever you choice is , best wishes from me
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oh there is a lot more, we do have a limited pvp system that allows for pvp it is in tryout right now and if there is abuse it will be taken out. There is some evil players out there that make things interesting, the dynamic and interaction between the people and their chars makes it worth it. And there is a steady amount of planned quest that are running by Gms, impromptu quest, spawn drops, player led events, crafting, bars, families (rp) etc. and then there is those that are in the allowed alignment but are not so good with other chars, that quibbles with people, pick up fights, might even run amok on a trip if they feel it warrants it, but counter balance their deeds by doing the right things from time to time. Also there is is player based organizations or npc based that you can join to broaden your RP and make some hard earn gold. With the new version of Layo that has been up, the racial tensions have been brought up, dark ages, monster races not allowed in certain towns etc.
I can honestly say that I have not seen the year go bye, and I am a hard person to please in RL.
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could have used one of these lol, only so much you can do with major history and godspages
They're not easily made, it takes, well, a while :) (and that's from experience, hehe).
Welcome to Layonara, we've also got an IRC server and channel where players hang out so you can bounce ideas there as well.
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the bio idea here is a good one but i admit i was really really nervours . i am not good at bios as it is hard so i would often spend hours trying to get it to fit and tryping . then ran over the text 3 times to see if i can see a mistyping and fix it . but the idea is good . it allow the dms to have it stored and i guess it can be used later
Oh my... it doesn't need to be that nerve-wracking. It's not like we want or need a novel on every character (that's what the character development threads are for! ;)) -- we just are looking for enough to establish the characters' basic background and personality. To flesh them out and to ensure a good "fit" with the story and community.
No points are subtracted for spelling or grammar (unless the error changes the meaning significantly); though I admit that proper grammar and spelling make submissions easier to read.
As for level of detail, it depends on what you're going after -- a basic race/class combo doesn't need as much as something that has an unusual/difficult class (or set of multiclasses), a special subrace, and unusual alignment for that race/subrace, and/or an unusual deity choice for the race/class/alignment.
For example, a CG Elf Ranger following Folian S'pae is going to have a much lower expectation in terms of detail than a LN Wemic Druid/Rogue following Pyrtechon, because the latter is unusual in several aspects. There's nothing wrong with unusual, but it does require a little more effort.
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Wow yuyu. I hope you can find a server that is as great as you are. Maybe someday, if you look hard enough, you can find a world where you can be the greatest player ever and amaze everyone with your stunning RPing.
I think we'd all be ashamed to RP with you here in our humble little world of Layo. We'd probably feel quite badly that we couldnt measure up.
Good luck!
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I could out right blow your minds, and for argument sacks become the greatess player in the history of this server. Just a all around fantastic player. BUT that still does not get me around the timer.
The "timer" is not arbitrary -- it is there so that you can be evaluated as to your abilities as a roleplayer. By having objective standards, it protects the team from claims of favoritism.
The minimum requirements for Chaotic Neutral aren't that severe -- 2 months and a level 10 character (level 10 being not that hard to reach for an active player in that amount of time... at least with a non-level-adjusted race).
As for the evil alignments, the rules are more lax than they once were -- you can now start as an evil character with enough experience and positive GM feedback. Before, you had to gradually shift to evil, with approval, over a long period of time.
I would ask that you put yourself in our shoes for a second... a new player joins the community, and the first thing they want to do is play an evil character? That's going to be looked at with a heavy dose of skepticism. Chaotic Neutral is a little trickier of a case... history has shown that it is a very difficult alignment to play properly, and as such, it has been restricted.
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gunther I will ask you watch it, she ment nothing she was just stating for argument sake, that it does not matter how good you RP, or if your capable of it. You can't beat the timer, and that is alittle unfair to folks that put more into things then folks that don't.
many of the folks I am trying to bring over, feel that there not much for new players, only the old players. Which I am guessing you to be one. Everything so much easier when you hold all the cards. We are new here, that hard enough on us, let alone mounds of rules. We are not out to make trash chars that have simple bio's that make it easy to get on the server we are out to make good, detailed chars that are above the average standard, and capable of more RP from that extra bit of work. She has a right to be upset being that many of the folks she has RPed with for many years will be staying. including me her older brother.
I must say alot about this server is a turn away to new players, you can say it is not but then again your not new. You have not picked up everything you worked on since the game's release, and tryed to lead a group of players to a new home. Everyone coming has been through alot with NWN and are great players, they earned everything they ever got, you can't blame them for feeling cheated when the only way to get things here is not by really earning it, but by being loyal to the server, and being on your char. doing decent RP. and what I mean by decent RP is different from good RP, you don't need great RP to play alot of the restricted things. you just need a decent level. that right there is a turn off to some because, well they have not logged in yet, but they feel the level of RP here must be rather low if such things are restricted.
Now they understand you don't want CvC (Char vs char, means the chars battle not the players, PvP is such a hateful word)
None of us care about PvP/CvC, but we just feel the level of RP here, must be on a low standard if such restrictions are needed so badly. because I can say such restrictions do hurt RP.
I asure you none of us care about CvC/PvP we care about RP, but we hate DM fed RP. It comes from us playing on a server where evil was allowed, and not just that subraces, like vampire, devil, demon, Drow matron, etc. Races that require much work in the ways of RP, and much in the way of avoiding conflict but still being able to RP evil. then we come here, to find that the most basic of things are restricted. You can't blame someone for thinking the server is made to tend to small children or folks new to RP, because such things should not be restricted on a server filled with great or experienced RPers.
It is does make me some what sad to know that the majority of this player base is unable to handle evil (this I assume other wise such restrictions would not be needed, once again assume), it is a truelly needed part of RP.
She is upset because she knows many of her great friends will stay, others will not a dividing factor. In trueth we had about 10 players coming over many have been turned off to this, and truethful there comments about how good can the RP of this server, be if players can not be trusted to be resposible, or capable of handling alignments. Miss judging perhaps. but Can you honestly expect folks to wait 9 months to RP something they have always had the ability to do before?
Most my players thought that evil was restricted to the ability to RP, because that what there here to do, not to some timer which they feel proves nothing. If there was a time restriction it would be in reason of at most a month or two. not 9 months, and a few other things a year they could live with out RDD.
I my self will be making a cheap throw away char, that I plan to play to see if I even wish to stay. It might be harsh for me to say, hope you don't think, I think so little of your server. But one must remember your restrictions reflect your trust in your players. If the DM team and others think so little of it and feel it takes so long to become a "Vet" Then how can new players think very highly of it? How can they be expected to spend days reading and knowing your history if it probly not worth it?
it was also a hard blow battling with Zugzug to jump through the hoops of his bio changing it a few times making sure I got everything to find CN was restricted.:\\ The idea was al'ready a little off from what it was, and the bio turned out alittle wierd in my mind.
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The "timer" is not arbitrary -- it is there so that you can be evaluated as to your abilities as a roleplayer. By having objective standards, it protects the team from claims of favoritism.
I just find the timer pointless, I have no wish to play evil from the start, but restricting is well restricting. It is kinda like the whole you can die for your country at 18 but not go into a bar and buy a drink.
If it takes you 2 months to be evaluated, so I can have the grand honor of playing CN, just makes me wonder at what it takes me 4 years to do.
It clear that us new players won't ever be able to fit in, because we can't ever be equals as the vets. unless I plan on spending a year to gain all the rights. And still in that year I must be active enough, and all these other standards to meet your standards. even after the year timer. I would just rather a single standard.
The server we came from leveling was on a timer it took 6 months to get to level 21. that if you leveled every chance you got. then at each level past 12 you had to get 5 DM quest tokens proving your char has done important deeds to level. at 15 you had to get 10 Tokens. It took players weeks to get one level past 12.
Thing is I don't mind being restricted in levels you don't need them to RP but I do hate being restricted in RP. I don't think it fair to judge me harshly for not agreeing with the idea that you must be a vet to be evil but you can be new and be level 20, and be trusted with Epic level RP.
Think me cruel for saying it but I don't think the RP of the server can be very high grade, if it takes 9 months to play evil it so restricting on evil. I can't ever enjoy the joys of combating the evil temptations of a evil force that seeks my char to join forces with them, because they might send me a tell.
When timer cuts into RP, you don't have real RP.
"you have been playing for 9 months right?"
Only thing to play is Good, Neutral does not count, because in the grand scale of RP it never has count. it neutral, it not suppose to do acts of tipping the scales it suppose to balance them.
I have no fear of anything short of being robbed, or perma death to fear, or put in jail.
I will never be able to earn a short cut around the timer. I want a server where I can earn things, not one where I can do a decent job and wait it out. here if your the newest player, your last inline for everything. Why work when you can do a decent job and wait?
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it is does make me some what sad to know that the majority of this player base is unable to handle evil (this I assume other wise such restrictions would not be needed, once again assume), it is a truelly needed part of RP.
As I understand it, these restrictions are not in place because of the majority, but because of a select few player who couldn't RP those difficult alignments and ruined the fun of others... I started as a total newbie in RP and online gaming here on Layo about a year ago, those restrictions were already on and where much more severe then... and I never felt it as a deterent to playing here.
But then... I never felt incline to play evil either as I personally believe them to be hard to play properly and I know my limits.
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Now hold on... I understand where you're coming from, but you're painting with too broad a brush. The only thing on Layonara that has a restriction based on time is a subset of alignments that the team has decided require evaluation of a player's abilities before they should be approved.
Nothing else has any type of time requirement. There are level requirements in some cases, but I know folks who have been playing for a few months who have a character higher leveled than any of the ones that I play. A hardcore player who can make a lot of GM quests can rise in levels relatively quickly, at least up to a point.
No one is going to refuse to group with you based on length of membership. To be fair, characters with large level disparities are discouraged from grouping together (for "bashing" trips... this doesn't apply to RP sessions) to avoid "dragging" or "muling" for the lower-level characters. GM quests involving any type of combat are often open only to specified level ranges (some low, some middle, some high) so that the GM preparing the quest can create appropriate encounter difficulties.
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thank you black cat That what i have been more or less trying to say, is that it can be expected of a new player, to bypass evil and play a truelly good char, but it harder to expect it of old NWN players.
That why i feel this server is bent more towards a training ground to turn new players into good RPers of slowly taking them through the stages of it.
But what about people who have been through it, and been through it, and been through it? If there was a way for me to earn rights through proof of the ability to play them to this servers standard I would not have a problem, but the thing is that the earning comes AFTER the timer. And the timer is a VERY long time.
As I said 40% of all base NWN rights here are restricted. I can understand that, but there restricted to nothing but time. the server could no longer be around in the amount of time it takes to earn the basics.
Now I am willing to jump through hoops of bio's amoung bio's to 100 pages of it, I love doing that stuff. :)
But tell me how can I earn my way through time? by just playing right?
Well this timer is so I can be evaluated right?
Now I plan on being active VERY active, but honestly i don't think I will because just the idea of I can't EARN things drains that will from me.
Why should I logon 40 hours a week? trust me playing the same char 40's a week for 9 months does get old, and playing good 40 hours a week does get old. Now I am willing to be active, very active. in that amount of time being so active I should be able to be evaluated much better then someone who logs 8 hours a week. See my point?
it does not make me want to try, it makes me not want to do anything. but feel like a second class member of a community. And no one wants to feel that way but that is pretty much what the server does. it breaks us up into classes. And I will never be able to be a equal :\
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First, please excuse us if we are a bit strong in our defense of Layonara. Most of the players here are very loyal to this game, and sometimes we get carried away :-)
As a relatively new Layo player (who would not qualify for an evil character), and a fairly experienced RPer, I don't really understand your issues with the world. In my opinion, most people I RP with on a regular basis are quite capable of responsibly RPing evil, but if they did, the feeling of the world would change considerably, and even if you or other players don't care about CvC/PvP, there would be a few who would, and would take advantage of things. For a while, subraces were closed off, not because people couldn't play them, but because the demographics of the world were not being represented in the characters.
If you all are experienced players, I find it hard to imagine that you haven't experienced the problem of a few bad apples ruining a game for everyone, and surely you must have played in campaigns that have a certain orientation or "feel" to them, which restricts the type of characters one can reasonably play.
It's a bit unfair to come to a new server, and expect it to be like the one you came from. I understand it may be an adjustment, but if you have been in various settings as you say, I'm sure you are capable of adjusting to it. If I went to your game, I would try and fit in to the type of campaign you ran, and try not to make comparisons.
With that said, I hope you at least try our game and see what you think before making judgments or deciding it's not worth it,. If you haven't played the alignments we allow in a while, maybe it's an opportunity to give it a try, or to creatively twist the accepted notions of those alignments. Any game has to have its limitations, or it gets out of control. Please try to accept ours for a while, before dismissing it out of hand.
Edit (because I'm a slow typist and several people posted while I was writing): playing the same char 40's a week for 9 months does get old, and playing good 40 hours a week does get old.
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it does not make me want to try, it makes me not want to do anything. but feel like a second class member of a community. And no one wants to feel that way but that is pretty much what the server does. it breaks us up into classes. And I will never be able to be a equal :\\
First, TN and LN are unrestricted, and second, if you think that playing good is all the same, you may be restricting yourself far more than the server ever could.
Any community is difficult to enter, but Layo is better than most I've been in. If you RP well and participate in the forums, I assure you you will feel like an equal and valued member in no time.
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I would note that the tone of some of the posts critiquing our world have become a tad harsh. We have a solid playerbase of people who value the experience of being in character. Understand, as I'm sure you must, that when you start saying things like...
" I must say alot about this server is a turn away to new players, you can say it is not but then again your not new."
"None of us care about PvP/CvC, but we just feel the level of RP here, must be on a low standard if such restrictions are needed so badly."
"It is does make me some what sad to know that the majority of this player base is unable to handle evil (this I assume other wise such restrictions would not be needed, once again assume), it is a truelly needed part of RP."
...you have started infringing on our collective pride in our world and some might take umbrage to your words. We are proud of what we have created here. We enjoy our world. We know why our rules are in place and we accept them. Please don't imply that we are substandard carebears that cannot roleplay.
This server is not designed to dissuade a player whose intent is to enjoy a thoroughly described, heavily player-impacted world. It IS designed to weed out those who would bring poor manners, poor taste, and family-unfriendly attitudes. This is because there are in fact children and teens in the world who don't need to see that sort of thing; not that they don't understand it, rather it is that the adults here believe it's not appropriate behavior and stand by that.
Evil is restricted to prevent some of the above. I will take your word that your group are quite capable of playing an evil race well. However, the rules were put in place for those who might not understand the subtleties of "evil" or whose idea of such is derived exclusively from movies and television. The team needs to know that the player won't grief, and understands the limits and the freedoms of Layonara. That's it.
We do encourage the highest level of roleplay and immersion here, which is why so many of us volunteer to help write, build and GM Layonara. Our reputation is earned. I hope you find it to your liking as I am proud of it and what has been and will be done to make it better. That said, it is not for everyone.
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Now hold on... I understand where you're coming from, but you're painting with too broad a brush. The only thing on Layonara that has a restriction based on time is a subset of alignments that the team has decided require evaluation of a player's abilities before they should be approved.
Nothing else has any type of time requirement. There are level requirements in some cases, but I know folks who have been playing for a few months who have a character higher leveled than any of the ones that I play. A hardcore player who can make a lot of GM quests can rise in levels relatively quickly, at least up to a point.
No one is going to refuse to group with you based on length of membership. To be fair, characters with large level disparities are discouraged from grouping together (for "bashing" trips... this doesn't apply to RP sessions) to avoid "dragging" or "muling" for the lower-level characters. GM quests involving any type of combat are often open only to specified level ranges (some low, some middle, some high) so that the GM preparing the quest can create appropriate encounter difficulties.
I have no want of levels, levels for the most part are not important it means IG power, and respect but not over respect. I don't care if folks group with me or not if I wanted such things I would play WoW. Levels DO NOT mean RP.
RP is based heavily on Alignment, more so alignment then levels.
Now let me explain how I mean restricted. Drow are they restricted? No. But if you play a non evil Drow your playing a less then ideal drow. good and neutral drow are ment to be common but I am sure here there much more common then the evil sorts.:\\
same with many of the other races, then you have these one year PRC's like RDD.
now taking into account that the majority of such UD (Under Dark races are evil) how can one expect to properly RP them if evil is so restricted?
Now when I saw things I did not see any of the races restricted, but there a hidden restriction being evil is it. most will simply put in a bio of a drizzt style char to cheat this, even though dark elfs are a evil race. I can only guess at the number of evil to good ratio of them is. but I am guessing good is more common/Neutral is more common and they probly walk around on the surface openly.
I just knowing of such restrictions, I can expect to never run into a evil. well anything non DM.
I will leave I can tell I am causing conflict... You can't understand being your ether new to NWN and this was your first server or this was your first server ages ago.
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Yuyu...
If you reread your posts they are full of assumptions. You assume we are "carebear" role players. You assume that our quality of role play is poor. You assume that being new makes you a second class citizen. You assume that this is the first server we have ever played on.
There are assumptions. Do you have any idea whether they are true?
No. You assume.
You have never logged into this server. Nope. You have no idea what it is like. You have preconceived notions that I believe would be dispelled if you actually played in this world.
Honora is right... people have poured their hearts and souls into this server and... as in anything else in life there are rules. If you don't like how an organization is run in RL then you don't join, simple as that, and it is the same here. But... taking time to write posts telling us WE are playing on a "carebear" server and that our role play is bad does not sit well with me coming from someone who has never logged one minute of playtime in the world.
If you want to criticize, create a character, play for a while THEN tell us why we are wrong, not before.
And as far as feeling like you are a second class citizen because you are new...
Where in life to you get to walk in the door to a company, school, or organization and get to be equal with all of the members who have been there for ages?
hmmm... No where. In life you must prove yourself. Prove you are worthy of the promotion, raise, or fancy new corner office.
I am sorry if you feel that this world is not for you. I think if you took the time to actually check it out you would be amazed at how good it actually is.
What I have a hard time with, and led to this post, is someone who has never logged a single minute bashing the server, and yes, that is what I read in your posts, bashing.
to quote your last post:
"You can't understand being your ether new to NWN and this was your first server or this was your first server ages ago."
So now we're all noobs?
Lovely. More assumptions.
Hope you find something that satisfies your needs.
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I would note that the tone of some of the posts critiquing our world have become a tad harsh. We have a solid playerbase of people who value the experience of being in character. Understand, as I'm sure you must, that when you start saying things like...
" I must say alot about this server is a turn away to new players, you can say it is not but then again your not new."
"None of us care about PvP/CvC, but we just feel the level of RP here, must be on a low standard if such restrictions are needed so badly."
"It is does make me some what sad to know that the majority of this player base is unable to handle evil (this I assume other wise such restrictions would not be needed, once again assume), it is a truelly needed part of RP."
...you have started infringing on our collective pride in our world and some might take umbrage to your words. We are proud of what we have created here. We enjoy our world. We know why our rules are in place and we accept them. Please don't imply that we are substandard carebears that cannot roleplay.
This server is not designed to dissuade a player whose intent is to enjoy a thoroughly described, heavily player-impacted world. It IS designed to weed out those who would bring poor manners, poor taste, and family-unfriendly attitudes. This is because there are in fact children and teens in the world who don't need to see that sort of thing; not that they don't understand it, rather it is that the adults here believe it's not appropriate behavior and stand by that.
Evil is restricted to prevent some of the above. I will take your word that your group are quite capable of playing an evil race well. However, the rules were put in place for those who might not understand the subtleties of "evil" or whose idea of such is derived exclusively from movies and television. The team needs to know that the player won't grief, and understands the limits and the freedoms of Layonara. That's it.
We do encourage the highest level of roleplay and immersion here, which is why so many of us volunteer to help write, build and GM Layonara. Our reputation is earned. I hope you find it to your liking as I am proud of it and what has been and will be done to make it better. That said, it is not for everyone.
I think you take alot out of context.
Remeber we are new, We fully understand what turns us away. Before I get to know you I am put through "tests" thing that test my character as a person to live up to your standards. If not even some what elitest.
Now restriction are there to prevent things, what does that tell us new players? Well I will tell you, what it told me and that I was still willing to conform.
"we the players of layo love this place very much, we wish to play here for ever. we do not trust foreign invanders that are new players. We wish to not give them a chance, we will give them nothing, they will change or they will simply leave, and we will still be happy because we love this place."
Restriction are a turn away. That not a guess it a fact, because I my self am trying to bring a great deal of good people here. Notice the post you took that from has a layo player openly insulting a new player. yet it was not the layo that threw the first conflicting sentence but Me :\\ I am in charge of a great deal of folks. good people that wish to be treated as equals. people that are meeting the players of layo half way by reading your rules, and following them. Now I must say some of the hoops we are jumping through are a bit much. But do you care much? It does not seem that way. I can guess new players are a welcome site, and you love to have them.
But you don't seem to care to listen to there comments, or critisms. You merely wish to say this place is perfect in everyway known to man.
I understand you like this place and find nothing wrong with it. BUT when was the last time you had a group this large of old NWN players go through the hardship of leaving home to move to another server tired, hungry, cast out on the streets *sniffs* trying to make a home here to find that all the basic freedoms they had will be taken away from them, with no chance of earning them?
a player voiced there feelings on this, and was thought ill of do to it, one of MY players and a family member.
She knowing what you would say said she would leave, she was PMed and told she was very wrong about this place, and commented on being wrong. this attitude "how do you knwo what turns people away?" I would guess being new and being thought a PvP monger for not liking the restrictions would make someone feel unwelcome.
ones says they do not liek the restrictions on evil and a Oh, well we have a PvP system, assuming that what we are trying to say is that we wish to make Chaotic evil like chars and run around PvPing.
Your right it not for everyone, but to the degree that some implyed that if you don't like it you must be a power gamer, PvP monger, that does not know what Good RP is and must be a bad person.
No where did anyone say they were not willing to -prove- they had what it takes, or even wait. They just said they feel 2 months for CN is to much, 9 months for evil is to much, and that what turned them away.
We don't ask to bypass rules, but when someone tells the reason they have decided not to play here, it might be alittle rude to think ill of them and tell them, no you don't understand when they clearly do.
You wish to put RP second, behind safety of no player conflict. to tell someone they don't understand and that they should send days writting a bio join a world where when they get in, they won't enjoy is unfair. We heard a GREAT deal about this place before we came, I am a old NWN player I have built many game worlds, I have talked with alot of well known game world designers. I asked what place would be best for blank and they told me the pro's and con's of this place before hand.
No one has really offered much incouragement towards her, other then your wrong.
I can understand the 9 months rule 9 months ago, but NWN2 expansion has been set. We give valid fears of why we feel less then over joyed about this rule.
that and the rather insulting manner a few things were handed to her, I must admit I am upset about this, it hard to do alot I have done keep all the moving in such in order, but it also hard to sit and watch my sister take flack, for feeling your world's rules restrict RP to the point she feels unable to RP in it.
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One more thing for the record...
The "Hoops" that people have to jump through to have a character on Layo are the same for everyone, old vet, and first time player.
I have seen character submissions turned down that were submitted by players that have spent years on this server. And may I say, flatly turned down as in, the character approvers say there is no way you can do that with a character.
Every single character MUST go through these things. No one (or group) is being put through anymore of a test than anyone else.
Everyone here who has an active character has had to do the same things to get approved.
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now now... restrictions are just there to give you something to go against... i personally play a Chaotic Good halfling ranger and things often seem to dissappear from packs (rp wise of course) that being just because Halflings are often extremely curious and light fingered...
so not only can you take your alignment but you can take your very character into it. i play a halfling that is fun to be around you can ask many people that have met him... he's tons of fun with his insults to the enemies and just being a halfling. But my Gray Elf is basically a jerk to many people and he's Lawful Neutral if i remember right. Alignment only judges your actions, Stealing, Lying, Random Killing, etc. that's what i love... you take your entire character into the picture not just, "oh well i'm Lawful good i must protect everyone!" you can have a Lawful Good character with predjudice verse dwarves or somethin' and refuses to help them.
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Actually the time of a drow (dark elves on Layonara) walking openly is over, there was a time in our period called the dragon called where from all races people with special talents were called to save the world from total domination and destruction from a renegade mage called bloodstone. being the dragon called type gave a certain notoriety and respect. Now that this time is over and we are in the dark ages, Drow are chased out of town, have to wear disguises to be able to walk around, and even more people now choses to rp, intimidation and even some goes as to cvc or rpcvc if they feel the rp warrants it.
Only those who have proven themselves through merit are walking openly amongst us, but still get nagged from time to time because of their race
The evil type of chars can not commonly merge with the good align races openly. And again in every evil type of races there is the exception example Az'atta is a good align Dark elf God.
Oh and People *looks at both sides* Take a breather and lets keep this objective.
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I gave what I feel a carebear server is,and what many also feel is one as well. I asked you to tell if it was what this place is, you have merely said logon. You want me to do everything, and not come close to meeting me half way.. What would you say if I did do everything you said login gave it a week?
what if after that I still said I did not like it against all YOUR asumptions?
just because I have not logged in does not mean I have not perhaps watched over the shoulders and talked to people who have played here.
Lets say I jumped through all your hoops and did not like it? what does that get me? Will you ever change your rules? or will you simply say more time, you still don't understand. Some how I don't think your rule will ever change, that why i feel I can't play here.
What is there anything for me, other then a chance of liking it? I am sure there a server I would like just as much with out the restrictions.
Why would I feel like a second class player? because after I gave it a try you would still say you have not played here long enough, regaurdless of how many hours I have logged in a week compared to how much someone else might in a month.
it not just your rules, it you whole out look on everything, even just the way you people use PvP shows your ideal's of things. I might prejudge, but do not claim prejudgements were not made about me.
When I said I did not like this rule many of you instantly thought CvC/PvP monger, that needs to change there selfish ways and stop trying to PvP/CvC.
I don't expect any of you to see things from point of view, your in capable of it. Not in a manner that is your fault just that we do not fully understand even where I come from. i know where you people come from, You come from here. If I have made misconsuption about this place, then you might wish to change your new player info, and welcome forums. because the info I get is the info placed out for me.
I never said this place was a poor world, did not have good DM's or any of that, I said I liked this place but you have to many restrictions, to get the level of Rp that I wish. sure you can have great RP with restrictions, but it will always be beneath the level you can get with out them. least that is my believe and i am sure we will never a gree on that, to you being forced to play good or neutral might be more RP posiblities, but to me it takes more options to have the most posibilties.
thank you for your time, While I feel I have spent to much time here it was enjoyible to read your history and not a waste of time. the waste of time would be trying to fit in here, your world is set in stone and so are you, you like it the way it is and won't change that. I saw this from when I said goodbye and gave my reasons.
I have no doubt I would enjoy my self around such nice folks, but I do feel I can have as much fun some place else that does not have the restrictions placed on me. I feel I could have more fun else where because when I am 5 months into it and I am tired of playing my good guy I could make a evil char and have alot of fun again. something I can't get here I like my good but I like my evil just as much.
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well, I'll say it
STOP ARGUING
and have a good time playing when ya'll get approved!
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Let me start off by saying, Welcome to Layonara.
Now with that stated...I will again start off with stating that the world, in its NwN (online) version is not for everybody. I have far different rules (and far more lax) with my PnP players. After doing this online version for five years these rules have been put in place for a number of reasons, being brought in over the course of five years. They have been evaluated and adjusted four seperate times, with the last happening about four months ago. The rules as they are now will be staying, sorry, it is just the way it is here. Some like it, some love it, some hate it, and some despise it, but it is how it is here at Layonara while using the NwN version to bring the world online. D&D was never made for online game play, we do the best we can with what we have with the goal of allowing a communinity to have fun but to protect that community and the families there.
I read a question above about when was the last time the world soaked up other servers or allowed other players to come in from other servers on a massive scale. This happens fairly often believe it or not. I can not count on two hands the number of worlds that have closed down and brought their players here. But then again I can not count on 100 peoples two hands how many worlds have not come here...it is a matter of preference for individual players and/or other server communities closing down or whatever the issue/concern may be. If a player (or community) wants to come here and play then that is great and I hope they have a great time and become a positive addition to the community. If the player wants to not play here in this community then that is fine as well, players have choices and options out there.
Our rules are in place for this community and to help this community as a whole, not indivudal players and not individual team members, the entire community. Again some like it and stick around and have fun playing a game, but some hate it and leave. That is their preference as it is their time and their game, and they deserve to have fun.
Not sure what else to say on that front and I am not sure if you will like hearing those words but it is how it is right now at Layonara. I put the world online with the NwN engine knowing full well there would be things that had to be changed and rules put in place to create the world and community that the team and I desire.
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will that admin fella please hit my little MSN button, I added him two days ago. I sure he sets to hide to ease the work load he has but I have been wanting to talk to him before this whole thing happend in hopes of avoiding something like this. *sighs* it much easier to ask one person things then a group of them, and it always best to goto the top. I promise not to take up to much of your time.
yuyu new there was no chance the rules would be changed, she just did not like telling her the rules were perfect, and she was the reason she could not feel the want to play here with her CvC ways. She said she would leave before playing because she knew you would be set in stone. She has dealt with me for far to long.
Oh and our community is still around I just choose to no longer run it, both servers are being rebuilt fully for the first time in 5 years. I just wished to be a player and that not something you cna do in a place where folks still look to you for answers. our community still being around is why I or anyone from it will give it name, we respect other servers and do not wish to advertise in anyway for it. not knowing where we come from does pose problems for understanding us, you know nothing of our ways, granting us the advantage there.
When we came here I made sure everyone knew we were not out to make others conform to us but to conform to the way of others. this is why she chose to leave.
I fully understand folks love it here and must feel others must be insane to to not like it,or feel they won't clearly they have not spent enough time here, or some other thing like that. That just shows you have carring players. :)
We come from a very different place and have many more freedoms that the admins and DM's of here must think we had to be crazy to allow, full freedom of speech was one of them.
As I said or ways would be just barbarian to you.
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LOL, thats him ^
big L
pming him works nicely
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@Joyrock, I don't use MSN and haven't for a long time (several years). So I am not invisible or anything like that, I just am not logged in to my MSN account because I don't use it.
On an additional note, you are welcome to send me a PM but not if you are going to hash over the same conversations as this thread has been "discussing" as that is a closed issue and things are not changing and I know that is not what you want to here but it is just how it is so I will apologize up front.
If you want to just talk or discuss other things that does not involve this thread then I look foward to your PM.
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Next to this Layonara has his own dedicated irc server (http://www.layonara.com/layonara-server/95295-internet-relay-chat-irc.html). Most of the gm's and a lot of players are found here and it is the best way for quick questions.
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will that admin fella please hit my little MSN button, I added him two days ago. I sure he sets to hide to ease the work load he has but I have been wanting to talk to him before this whole thing happend in hopes of avoiding something like this. *sighs* it much easier to ask one person things then a group of them, and it always best to goto the top. I promise not to take up to much of your time.
yuyu new there was no chance the rules would be changed, she just did not like telling her the rules were perfect, and she was the reason she could not feel the want to play here with her CvC ways. She said she would leave before playing because she knew you would be set in stone. She has dealt with me for far to long.
Oh and our community is still around I just choose to no longer run it, both servers are being rebuilt fully for the first time in 5 years. I just wished to be a player and that not something you cna do in a place where folks still look to you for answers. our community still being around is why I or anyone from it will give it name, we respect other servers and do not wish to advertise in anyway for it. not knowing where we come from does pose problems for understanding us, you know nothing of our ways, granting us the advantage there.
When we came here I made sure everyone knew we were not out to make others conform to us but to conform to the way of others. this is why she chose to leave.
I fully understand folks love it here and must feel others must be insane to to not like it,or feel they won't clearly they have not spent enough time here, or some other thing like that. That just shows you have carring players. :)
We come from a very different place and have many more freedoms that the admins and DM's of here must think we had to be crazy to allow, full freedom of speech was one of them.
As I said or ways would be just barbarian to you.
It's not that we feel you are insane or anything, but when ever you go into a new group you have to try and integrate without losing yourself to it. This is how this world works, some things I like, other things I don't but the player base is to awesome to just leave for the things I don't like.
Where ever you will go you may find some restrictions for certain things, it is up to you to accept them or not but it is also up to you to integrate within them if you do accept them. I wouldn't go into a country and say this law is no good change it for me or I leave. This is the same here, there is reasons that you have not seen, heck some i haven't even seen myself, for those rules to be there and we make the best out of them and have fun nonetheless, which is the basis of why anyone is here to have fun in a setting that suits themselves and a story the love.
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Joyrock,
My grandchildren sometimes play here with me. I appreciate and support the family atmosphere encouraged on Layonara, and I think many others here do also. I'm sure there are other servers out there that will let you express yourself "fully". It just takes more intelligence to do it discreetly.
Serissa
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helldozer while I thank you for trying to be polite, I think you misunderstand.
I have stated and stated we wished to fully conform. I have been admin, I have dealt with it before I can pretty muchguess your DM team's stance on things. We never planned to change anything, but you can't tell someone there wrong for not wanting to play here.
Yuyu is gone, said she is going to wait for the new version of our old server. trying to explian anything more is pointless and will only prevoke conflict. We don't need to be told we need to change to your ways we know that.
But I do think you need to understand not everyone will think the world, of your world.
I am sure you could care less if we played here or not you have alot of players what is a few more or less? I think you do care about what others think of your world, and anything short of perfection will upset you.
Must remember your world was made for families, that alone will send many players away. change your ways to bring them back and it will drive someone away.
So please you need to not preach anymore.
This has turned from my sister to me -_- With joyrock this joyrock that... PLEASE READ WHO IT IS ABOUT, BEFORE POSTING. In fact please don't post at all I assure you she is gone. much like she first stated. only thing posting here does is serve to make me feel defensive, or the need to defend my sister.
yes I know full well family server, yes I know full well not to try and change anything, yes I know full well some people are reading what the person on top posts, yes I know full well your trying to be nice, and yes I undertsand you don't mean anything.
You don't need to put anything like don't like it leave she said she was leaving. that pretty much what started this.
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Would be nice if "we "as Layo community , could simply accept that some don't like the world .
Not every one likes our world and not all off us would like a world -not- run like Layo is.
People all have different views on things and the world would be a better place if we just accept that.
I wish Yuyu happiness and fun in the world she will find and I'm sure she wishes happiness and fun to us that enjoy Layo.
I found it interesting that one was kind enough to explain why Layo wasn't for her to play and i feel a bit sad that "we "as a community reacted if attacked personally, for that i would like to apologize to Yuyu .
Please , lets stop taking things out off the whole story it was written and welcome those that do come play on Layo to see if it is a place they can like and hopefully love .
Jan
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I assume i was the "admin fellow" you spoke of above. If so, sorry...I hadn't restarted my MSN for a while...oversight on my part due to just too much going on.
For the record, I'm not "the top", Leanthar is. But I will be happy to discuss whatever it is you wish as time allows.
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@Joyrock, I don't use MSN and haven't for a long time (several years). So I am not invisible or anything like that, I just am not logged in to my MSN account because I don't use it.
On an additional note, you are welcome to send me a PM but not if you are going to hash over the same conversations as this thread has been "discussing" as that is a closed issue and things are not changing and I know that is not what you want to here but it is just how it is so I will apologize up front.
If you want to just talk or discuss other things that does not involve this thread then I look foward to your PM.
Err thanks so your the same person as the one that reads admin? with the MSN button?
much rather MSN then PM's because from each form of communication you move up the more clear things become. no I have no wish to continue this I never did.
But you know as a leader of my people and all I tend to get defensive of them, and when one is your sister... Anywho I might just get IRC I have it on my laptop but I don't feel like breaking that thing out.
We will see once I login. itend to be busy helping folks with bio's many of my players are what you would call foriegn, like Star there danish. I so helping them with bio's that read well is eating into my own time for things.
it not so much a need to talk in private as a need tochat in a higher level then posts.
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helldozer
was my post such a dozer;)
seriously though I think you misunderstood my last post. I was not speaking to you specifically but in General to every one.
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Although it aggravates me no end, I readily admit that I was wrong to be as sarcastic as I was in my earlier post. I apologize to the community for my callous remarks. It accomplished nothing but making a poor situation that much worse.
Unfortunately, I took the comments as a disparagement of some of the fine RPers already here (which sadly I really am not one of, but have friends that are). Again, my apologies for my prior comment.
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Joyrock, I've added you to my MSN.
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Joyrock, I am sure on your side you are having quite a hard time trying to lead a group into a new land. This is never a easy task. But let me assure that even with the rules that we have in place, you and your group will find great RPing on Layo. We, as with all online worlds, are not perfect but we do the best we can.
I as a player and community member have been through a large range of situations when it comes to the server rules, from breaking them (once) to trying to get detailed and well defined wording. I can say with some degree of experience that when it comes to play time the rules never get in the way of good RP and fun.
I am glad that you and your players are coming here and I look forward to playing with you all. I think we already have one of you on, Star I think. She played last night with one of our long time players and I am sure it was great fun.
So go on a write up a bio and give it a whirl.
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you currently have a few, star, lilth the druid gnome, risen & reborn's char, and script wrecked, and my very simple dave hendrix, I always loved the simple chars everyone goes for flash these days, finding the good old cookie cutter chars to simple.
umm jimblee and Celezar are still going to make there chars been pushing the limits on your char submission rules, they think they finally got it worked out thanks to Dorg. the others are pretty much finishing up school or waiting. Many decided to stay and ether work with the the 2 new versions of our old server or wait for it.
but me I am on vacation 8) no one dragging me back into the whole "We need 100 area's done by friday get to work!" *sips his ice tea in the shade then calls out* little to the left there kaggan with that placable!
So a few of us still around, and looking forward to RPing. few us have.I am by far not the best Rper of us, I just often handle the work loads, I lost my RPing talents when I became a admin, though some folks still say I got it. but my RP is often nothing special these days, and that fine with me, pretty much logon to logon maybe bash a few monsters alone. you know the stuff I don't need to think on.