The World of Layonara
The Layonara Community => Introduce Yourself => Topic started by: drakogear on May 30, 2010, 11:17:02 pm
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interesting, a game based from NWN but with its own LORE.
Now just need to think of a character to make.
Hmmm, no Black Guard so no LG Paladin to CE Black Guard ending in TN Fighter. Sorry, Character I had once in NWN. Mastering both light and dark. Being a true master of neutrality.
Hm, would a Paladin of Lucinda/wizard/Pale Master be doable or would he just lose his Paladin powers permanently? Never being able to be a Paladin again.
Or what of a Paladin of Rofirein/Wizard or Sorcerer/Red Dragon Disciple?
Did have a character thought for a Dark Elf Rouge/Assassin/Paladin. Only to to find out later Dark Elves can't be LG >:/
I know this game is big on its LORE and everything but I have my own views on good and evil. Nothing and no one are inherently evil. Its how only chooses to live there life. though that's just my own personal LORE.
I guess in a since one might say IRL/OOC I'm a TN :) I do like playing Neutral characters anyways.
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Welcome... If you have questions feel free to ask anyone. I know I'm safe saying we are all more than happy to lend a hand. :-)
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Well, I just did... Here. The three characters I mentioned are character ideas I've had wile reading through the LORE pages.
Not going to submit a character till I know what I can and can not make. I know Paladins are very restricted in multi-classing but if a Paladin did Multi-class to a class other than allowed by there deity. Would they lose there powers permanently or can they regain or retain there Paladin standings?
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Hey, and welcome to Layo :-)
With your specific questions:
Paladin of Lucinda/wizard/Pale Master, well, a Paladin is LG, and a Pale Master cannot be good. So, while RP might take one down that road, one would lose Paladin powers.
Paladin of Rofirein/Wizard. In general, no. See [lore]Restricted Multiclassing[/lore]. Its possible that a wizard, through great RP at some length might eventually take paladin levels and abandon wizardly ways, but you can't alternate between them.
Sorcerer/Red Dragon Disciple. Absolutely! Just have to get to level 20, and then find a red dragon, and convince it to let you become its disciple ;-) More seriously, it is a possible path, but only by taking a [lore]world leaders[/lore] development quest (WLDQ).
Also, on a minor note "LORE" is the website, and stands for Layonara Online Reference Encyclopedia. "lore" is the people, places, things and stories that makes up the world.
Anyway, hope you find a character concept that suits you, and that you enjoy it here.
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Thanks for the clarification ycleption of Wizard/Paladin and yes I know Pale masters can't be good but the the RP story of my character that was for that would start as Paladin/Wizard (Lucinda allows) then fall to LN to become a Pale Master. My question on that was if he'll be able to become a paladin again if he returns to being LG
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Thanks for the clarification ycleption of Wizard/Paladin and yes I know Pale masters can't be good but the the RP story of my character that was for that would start as Paladin/Wizard (Lucinda allows) then fall to LN to become a Pale Master. My question on that was if he'll be able to become a paladin again if he returns to being LG
Not wanting to step on anyone's toes, please correct if I am wrong...
Being a paladin means to devout one's life to the service of their god, much like a cleric's. The only difference really, OOC, is that some gods "call" for a sect of paladins? (I'm struggling with some writers block with my own paladin atm, and tongued tied, so the wording may be off, heh)
So, diverging from the path of a paladin is putting your interests elsewhere. Even if it is to gain more power for the service of your PC's god, that is irrelevant to the deity him/herself, simply because THEY will provide you with the power (hence [LORE]paladin[/LORE] abilities). Once you step off, you have fallen from grace, thus losing all abilities granted by the PC's god. They may still receive benefit (such as resurrections, etc via cleric) for their worship, but is not enough to be deserving of their blessing via manifestation of powers. Now, should they fall from grace, they CAN go back onto teh path of the paladin, BUT:
1) no more levels can be taken in another class unless you get another CDQ, fall from grace, etc etc, which would be a hassle if you wanted to lvl once as pally, then lvl as PM.. you'd need to change alignment AND get re-innitiated into the order... let's face it, no one has mood swings THAT bad. plus the order would probably get fed up with your wishy-washy-ness and refuse altogether... this is not including failure of a CDQ.
2) There could be restrictions on how your character uses their powers etc etc. PM's manipulate the dead... well, that doesn't fit well with a ANY of paladin orders. Especially [LORE]Aeridin[/LORE] and [LORE]Toran[/LORE]...
Now, I'm not going into detail about how alignment fits in because quiet frankly, that is a completely new thread we'd need to dig up and not start anew.... :D
hope this helps, and GM's/Ed/L, please smack my upside the head if I misinterpreted anything
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Bah... I had a long, lovely post typed up, and accidentally hit the reload button...
Short version: I would discourage trying to "plan" big things like alignment changes. They should be the result of things that happen to your character in game, since this is a role-playing world.
Things are taken on a case by case basis, so I wouldn't say no, it's absolutely impossible to atone and become a paladin again after falling... it would just take a whole lot of quality RP over a long long period of time, some CDQs, and even then there's a very strong possibility that your character would fail. And it would probably involve renouncing the pale master powers, so there would be little mechanical point in doing that kind of thing anyway.
Although I understand the appeal of outlandish builds, I would encourage you to try something simpler to start out with - or, if you want something unique, try playing a deity that isn't well represented in game (Goran, Grannoch, Deliar, Prunilla, and Shindaleria would be a few suggestions), or a less played sub-race, if you are looking for an RP challenge, and are willing to put some more thought and effort into the submission (gold dwarf, forest gnome, orc, sea elf, wemic).
Hope that helps.
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PM's manipulate the dead... well, that doesn't fit well with a ANY of paladin orders. Especially [LORE]Aeridin[/LORE] and [LORE]Toran[/LORE]...
And with this, there is more info pertaining to how necromancy fits into Layonara. It isn't accepted by society in general and is even outlawed in domains falling under the law as layed out by Toran and Rofirein Orders
LORE: Law of Layonara (http://lore.layonara.com/Law%20of%20Layonara)
http://forums.layonara.com/azatta/198682-necromancy.html
http://forums.layonara.com/1076742-post6.html
Just a few... though LORE does not specifically state anything, Ed (who is the loremaster) has already established this.
Now, mind you, the laws of Toran and Rofirein may even be laughed at in some lands, it is still prevelant, from my understanding...
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Well I understand all that but was just wondering if he would be able to return as a paladin but I suppose after falling and becoming a PM He would need to master that class level 10 atleast before returning to his paladin ways.
The story behind his fall in short is: Given a task by the paladin order to clear out an undead infested graveyard/catacombs and destroy the evil Lich that is making them. meets a band of traveling gypsies who offer to train him in the arcane. Suggesting he use necromancy to subvert the lichs vast army against him thus doing so inadvertently turns him into a PM. Master that then returns to the order seeking redemption.
added description after that: entire left arm (now skeletal) hidden from sight by a long shoulder cape. (many reasons. Mainly its touch can kill living)
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Lucindite Paladins aren't paladiny Paladins, really. They protect magic as a whole rather than charge forth to clobber evil. That doesn't mean they can't clobber evil, just that that's not really the sort of thing Lucindite Paladins get ordered to do, unless said evil is breaking magic.
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I know, the later in my last post need only apply to character submission but well... guess I got carried away:\
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Lucindite Paladins aren't paladiny Paladins, really. They protect magic as a whole rather than charge forth to clobber evil. That doesn't mean they can't clobber evil, just that that's not really the sort of thing Lucindite Paladins get ordered to do, unless said evil is breaking magic.
Well, as stated necromancy is seen as evil and the lich is well... evil. raising an army of undead to destroy the world.
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anyways think were starting to stroll off the main subject of this thread and I'd say my questions have been answers so... thanks every one.
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Oh, true that... Forgot about that... :/ Each paladin order kinda fits their own role... Lucinda's pally's = protectors of magic, Aeridin's = bane of the undead, and protector of life's sanctity, Rofie's = Upholders of justice and law, etc etc...
Sooo, might wanna look up each individual deity to see how the paladin class fits in their clergy... this will help you make the right choice... BUT! I'm pretty sure that if you choose Aeridin, you'll have a helluva time getting that going, plus any re-initiation after turning PM would most likely be nil... They might even try to exterminate you... :P
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Right. But necromancy is magic, and magic is Lucinda's thing. Lucindites don't necessarily think necromancy is evil, even the Paladins. Yeah, weird, I know. So that's not really a problem for a Lucindite Paladin, see?
The Toranites would be all over it, though. You'd never find a big enough stick to beat all the Toranite Paladins away.
EDIT: Which just makes me agree with the suggestion above: try something simple first and get a feel for the world. THEN work up a more complicated character.
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The Toranites would be all over it, though. You'd never find a big enough stick to beat all the Toranite Paladins away.
tell me about it... >.> *tosses an animated bone at Lance and Dani, and runs like never before*
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Bah... I had a long, lovely post typed up, and accidentally hit the reload button...
Short version: I would discourage trying to "plan" big things like alignment changes. They should be the result of things that happen to your character in game, since this is a role-playing world.
Things are taken on a case by case basis, so I wouldn't say no, it's absolutely impossible to atone and become a paladin again after falling... it would just take a whole lot of quality RP over a long long period of time, some CDQs, and even then there's a very strong possibility that your character would fail. And it would probably involve renouncing the pale master powers, so there would be little mechanical point in doing that kind of thing anyway.
Although I understand the appeal of outlandish builds, I would encourage you to try something simpler to start out with - or, if you want something unique, try playing a deity that isn't well represented in game (Goran, Grannoch, Deliar, Prunilla, and Shindaleria would be a few suggestions), or a less played sub-race, if you are looking for an RP challenge, and are willing to put some more thought and effort into the submission (gold dwarf, forest gnome, orc, sea elf, wemic).
Hope that helps.
Hey thanks again for that, did have another build in mind. One that wasn't paladin based.
CN Deep Dwarf Barbarian/Ranger/Battlerager
Though his story somewhat involved slightly altering his race. Being of the exiled for not being evil. He and the other exiled ones form together to make there own clan on the surface with one dominate rule. No Clansman is ever permitted to commit any acts of evil. There goal it lean to live differently than there evil brothers and sister in the deep. greed and raiding is still a factor but they never harm or kill any of the innocents. Guards on the other hand are fair game. That and there only permitted to take what they need to survive. Leaving any and all valuable save for food and furniture as well as weapons and armor.
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apologies... two of those links might be restricted... I forgot that I was a project writer... @_@
provided we have permission, perhaps we can relink those so that players have general access to that specific info?
AAAAND, to the topic... I think that combo of race/class/alignment fits perfectly well for the LORE... buuuuut... you haven't been an active member for 3 months (http://lore.layonara.com/AlignmentRules)...
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apologies... two of those links might be restricted... I forgot that I was a project writer... @_@
provided we have permission, perhaps we can relink those so that players have general access to that specific info?
AAAAND, to the topic... I think that combo of race/class/alignment fits perfectly well for the LORE... buuuuut... you haven't been an active member for 3 months (http://lore.layonara.com/AlignmentRules)...
yeah... I know... and that sucks. CN in my opinion is the best alignment for any Barbarian class. That and maybe CE but that's not allowed for PCs.
CG is but... blehhh... I ain't no goodie two shoes.
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TN is still open - especially given you said you prefer neutral characters...
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yeah... I know... and that sucks. CN in my opinion is the best alignment for any Barbarian class. That and maybe CE but that's not allowed for PCs.
CG is but... blehhh... I ain't no goodie two shoes.
then start with a TN character.. or LN.... ;D I had an "interesting" start (http://forums.layonara.com/character-approvals/190852-new-character-submission-sion.html), to say the least...
Like [Strike]Gunlyr[/Strike] Ycleption said, starting simple is a good start... it allows you to accustom yourself to the world... Jumping in as a TN dark elf without fully knowing much of the LORE and lore, etc etc, was painful, though I had much fun in the long run... heheh....(that's a completely different story). But, my second PC I made, Idoran, was plain jane (john?) human fighter, nothing big... and by far I have learned much playing him and he actually ended up being one of my favorite characters...
just food for thought.
//EDIT: heh, oops, wrong person.
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A Corathite Cleric/Unholy Champion/Assassin would be a nasty mix and very RPable for the faith. ;)
Edit: Caduz as well.
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A Corathite Cleric/Unholy Champion/Assassin would be a nasty mix and very RPable for the faith. ;)
Edit: Caduz as well.
read some more LORE and your right. That would make an interesting rp build. Though I think I may have an ever better evil assassin build.
Rouge/Assassin/Shadow Dance
Rouge Sneak Attack+Assassin Death Attack+Hide in Plain Sight=Ultimate Assassin
Though I got one question with this build... can anyone say... Altiare?:D
Play the game and you'll know what I mean. What game? You'll have to figure that out on your own.:p
Hint: you play as an assassin with a unique wrist blade.
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Welcome!
I think it is worth while to attempt a challenging character.
One was to do this is to start with a character story (using lore) and then pick the build you think will be useful.
Its always good think of weaknesses as a way of adding flavour to any character. For example your Deep Dwarf/Barbarian/Ranger/Battle Rager may have a short temper and a weak will... flying off the handle. Or he may be simply very dense effectively a dumb-grunt that is fanatically loyal to Rael. Though mechanically barbarian+battlerager (without ranger) would be the better build. If this was a TN character it would fit well with the current world Lore of Rael Kingdom and could be approved on submission. Perhaps as a former (or current) solider of the Prantz army.
The wizard/palemaster/paladin 'aka guardian of necromancy' may lack charisma, being hideously deformed by his long association with undead, before converting to a paladin of Lucinda and thus be a poor paladin. I think starting off as pure wizard, then attempting palemaster, then paladin would be the most sensible RP path. You should remember to be flexible as this would be a multi-year RP commitment without guarantee of success.
Cheers,
Stragen
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Welcome and have fun!
Please no good Dark Elves, but that's up to you. :P Oh how I abhor the abominations! You could always make a TN one and progress from there.
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Welcome and have fun!
Please no good Dark Elves, but that's up to you. :P Oh how I abhor the abominations! You could always make a TN one and progress from there.
*seasons Geloo's SS's with some Montreal steak seasoning, a bit of lemon juice, and a dash of salt, then gives a GM a shrill whistle before running away*