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Dorganath

Re: Microsoft Bait 'n Switch? Naaw, not Microsoft...
« Reply #20 on: April 06, 2007, 08:49:04 am »
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Meh.  If you want to program in Java, why not just program in Java?

Because I don't want to program in Java... :p
 

MJZ

Re: Microsoft Bait 'n Switch? Naaw, not Microsoft...
« Reply #21 on: April 06, 2007, 10:33:38 am »
Spot on, Gilshem. Completely on the same wavelength about this. <3

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And Linux...heh...they're so ashamed of that product they have to give it away... ;)

I don't mind calling Microsoft to the carpet for legitimate reasons, but let's all be honest with ourselves here and not just target them because they're Microsoft.

*Gasps very loudly and falls over*

Terrible, just terrible. Long live freeware and shareware!

No one's targeting MS for invalid reasons, here. When essentially the largest and wealthiest company in the world can't make an OS that functions properly and isn't absolutely riddled and teeming with bugs, issues, gaping holes, and various mysterious ailments - what else can you expect? Yep, all products have flaws, obviously. But flaws to this size and extent are what's shameful. You can't tell me you've never spent hellish days tinkering with winbloze incompetence until you just wanted to pour water over your motherboard and cackle viciously?

I've got a Mac-crazy sibling, myself, who loves to toss this one at me:





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I perfer KFC over MFC. Its finger linkin' good!

*spits out breakfast cereal laughing*


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If (and it's a big IF) Linux or MacOS (any version) had the same market penetration as Windows:
 
* People would bash them with equal fervor
* More malware writers would target those platforms.

I definitely see the logic here. However! Every malware writer I've ever heard of used a Unix-core OS, mostly Linux. Interesting...

More than once the only reason I rescued my HD was thanks to the Linux partition, which could retrieve the files on the Windows one when Windows couldn't even boot in due to those lovely critical errors that happen everyone once in a while. Like Gilshem said - built in obsolescence.  Bet you like your Ford veehicles, too! :D
 

MJZ

Re: Microsoft Bait 'n Switch? Naaw, not Microsoft...
« Reply #22 on: April 06, 2007, 10:36:12 am »
Gilshem, I agree with you entirely in this. <3

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*Gasps very loudly and falls over*

Terrible, just terrible. Long live freeware and shareware!

No one's targeting MS for invalid reasons, here. When essentially the largest and wealthiest company in the world can't make an OS that functions properly and isn't absolutely riddled and teeming with bugs, issues, gaping holes, and various mysterious ailments - what else can you expect? Yep, all products have flaws, obviously. But flaws to this size and extent are what's shameful. You can't tell me you've never spent hellish days tinkering with winbloze incompetence until you just wanted to pour water over your motherboard and cackle viciously?

I've got a Mac-crazy sibling, myself, who loves to toss this one at me:







*spits out breakfast cereal laughing*
 

Laldiien

Re: Microsoft Bait 'n Switch? Naaw, not Microsoft...
« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2007, 11:20:10 am »
The irony for me is I am installing the Vista business upgrade while reading this.
 

Dorganath

Re: Microsoft Bait 'n Switch? Naaw, not Microsoft...
« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2007, 12:17:31 pm »
Quote from: MJZ
*Gasps very loudly and falls over*

Terrible, just terrible. Long live freeware and shareware!

No one's targeting MS for invalid reasons, here. When essentially the largest and wealthiest company in the world can't make an OS that functions properly and isn't absolutely riddled and teeming with bugs, issues, gaping holes, and various mysterious ailments - what else can you expect? Yep, all products have flaws, obviously. But flaws to this size and extent are what's shameful. You can't tell me you've never spent hellish days tinkering with winbloze incompetence until you just wanted to pour water over your motherboard and cackle viciously?

I'm a fan of Linux...and the MacOS.  I also like Windows.  Each serves its purposes, each has their warts and each has their holes, vulnerabilities and ailments.  I've used them all.  They're there.  Some people just choose not to see them.  And as I said before, Windows flaws are more well-known because there are far more installations of Windows than the MacOS or Linux, at least in professional environments, and so they're more highly scrutinized.  But I have seen plenty of articles about vulnerabilities in Linux (one distro or the other), MacOS and other systems.  

Again, most crashy behavior from Windows comes from third-party software.  We have servers here that run Windows and Microsoft software which have been very stable.  Most of my frustrations with Windows, or any OS, is due to poorly-behaving third-party software...or worse...poorly-behaving users who just accept any old virus that wants to install itself.

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I definitely see the logic here. However! Every malware writer I've ever heard of used a Unix-core OS, mostly Linux. Interesting...

Oh sure.  Because they hate Microsoft. *shrugs* Another "productive" use of talent and energy that ends up wasting millions of dollars (translate into appropriate currency) and thousands of man-hours worth of time because someone has a chip on his shoulder...or thinks it would be "cool". :rolleyes:

Mentioning that malware writers use *nix doesn't exactly endear me to them or their "cause"...nor encourage me to look to Linux as a business or personal platform. In fact, I have far, far, far greater disdain for people who spend their time writing clever but destructive software for the purpose of destroying data, creating "zombie" machines or whatever than I do with any flaw, hurdle or bug that Microsoft has ever released in one of its products.

Take a guess which causes me and my customers more lost time and money?

And FWIW, when I was in college (15 or so years ago), 9 out of 10 viruses on campus were MacOS viruses. :p
 

MJZ

Re: Microsoft Bait 'n Switch? Naaw, not Microsoft...
« Reply #25 on: April 06, 2007, 02:18:58 pm »
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Most of my frustrations with Windows, or any OS, is due to poorly-behaving third-party software...or worse...poorly-behaving users who just accept any old virus that wants to install itself.
:O You're not implying something, are you? Heh. Viruses I haven't had much trouble at all with - just once when I had to reformat and the instant I connected to the internet in order to grab service packs and AVG, I would be ravaged by a regional LSASS thing. That was back in the age of 2k. Had to install some Mandrake and used that to download what I needed to even be able to install Windows. :P

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And FWIW, when I was in college (15 or so years ago), 9 out of 10 viruses on campus were MacOS viruses. :p

I was probably playing with my ponies back then so... heheh ;) Feel free to point and shout "greenhorn!" at me.


But sure, I'm not trying to say we should go for the OS "most virus scripters choose!" Gotta admit they're far less vulnerable, though.

And third-party software issues - makes sense. It just seems as though Windows purposefully tries to make itself incompatible with those, sometimes.

Edit: Ah but I understand your standpoint that it is more the fault of those who exploit the holes in MS products, than the fault of MS itself. Not saying it's my way of looking at it, but I understand now. : )
 

Dorganath

Re: Microsoft Bait 'n Switch? Naaw, not Microsoft...
« Reply #26 on: April 06, 2007, 05:31:01 pm »
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But sure, I'm not trying to say we should go for the OS "most virus scripters choose!" Gotta admit they're far less vulnerable, though.


No, they're not far less vulnerable...they're far less exploited.  There's  a HUGE difference. It would be foolish for anyone to hide behind, "Oh, I'm running Linux. I don't have to worry."

But, we all take our risks.  :)
 

MJZ

Re: Microsoft Bait 'n Switch? Naaw, not Microsoft...
« Reply #27 on: April 06, 2007, 05:40:24 pm »
Ah tomayto, tomahto. ;)

I know, I know, different strokes for different folks. Right?
 

Weeblie

Re: Microsoft Bait 'n Switch? Naaw, not Microsoft...
« Reply #28 on: April 06, 2007, 05:47:50 pm »
Neither Windows (old versions, at least, not sure about Vista... time will tell) nor Linux is created with security as top priority.

You have to step into the realm of... say... OpenBSD for that... ;)
 

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Re: Microsoft Bait 'n Switch? Naaw, not Microsoft...
« Reply #29 on: April 06, 2007, 06:10:51 pm »
This blog was wrote by another person but he shares a lot of the same views as I do so I put it on my myspace page, trust me its funny.  
Entitled One thing PC users can do that Mac users cant!

blog.myspace.com/44816394

Yeah if easily offended dont read
 

hawklen

Re: Microsoft Bait 'n Switch? Naaw, not Microsoft...
« Reply #30 on: April 06, 2007, 07:40:27 pm »
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This blog was wrote by another person but he shares a lot of the same views as I do so I put it on my myspace page, trust me its funny.  
Entitled One thing PC users can do that Mac users cant!

blog.myspace.com/44816394

Right click?

EDIT: BTW folks. Language warning on that link. Bad word in font size 28
 

MJZ

Re: Microsoft Bait 'n Switch? Naaw, not Microsoft...
« Reply #31 on: April 06, 2007, 09:36:41 pm »
Erm... very enlightened spam, there. Anyone can just write a long, senseless flame in reaction to their frustrations. (And what epic proportions of frustrations, those were. If whoever wrote that gets that worked up about clothing in a commercial.. better keep him in the dark about everything else in the world.) Never even heard of any of the points in that entry, there. Angry idiocy doesn't really strike me as funny... well, unless it involves Homer.

Except for this part: "If I want to manufacture biological weapons with my copy of iTunes, I will, fascists. Ditch this b-bleep." Which is just oh-so-funny.
 

OneST8

Re: Microsoft Bait 'n Switch? Naaw, not Microsoft...
« Reply #32 on: April 07, 2007, 12:01:29 am »
Ok folks, I wasn't bashing MS here, I was just posting a link to a story that I found funny. Nothing more, nothing less. I just want to be clear on that.

I really didn't mean to get under anyone's skin here! Sorry about that! :P
 

Talan Va'lash

Re: Microsoft Bait 'n Switch? Naaw, not Microsoft...
« Reply #33 on: April 07, 2007, 06:50:11 pm »
Oh man, realtech sucks... Their junk has given me so much grief. I finally ripped an old SB Live! out of a P3 I have laying around and used that rather than the onboard realtech junk soundcard.

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All the Vista nonsense is just too hilarious. It doesn't even make me smile. **Looks down at the "Vista Capable!" sticker on her laptop** I bought you for school when my PC's HD mysteriously died while I was on vacation! Nothing more!

Every other day I tell myself I've had enough of MS. Then I fire up Linux and groan about the new things I haven't yet learned, and boot back into MS. Laziness knows no bounds. (Or lack of time, however you want to put it.) Just a couple of days ago, I installed a vital MS security update. Which resulted in the destruction of my Realtech soundcard dll. Contact distributor for a new dll. Yep, I'll just call Realtech right up.

But whaddya mean, Adobe? Not Adobe!! PS is so... so... integral!!
 

hawklen

Re: Microsoft Bait 'n Switch? Naaw, not Microsoft...
« Reply #34 on: April 07, 2007, 06:54:41 pm »
*hugs his Soundblaster Audigy2 ZS*
 

MJZ

Re: Microsoft Bait 'n Switch? Naaw, not Microsoft...
« Reply #35 on: April 07, 2007, 08:08:47 pm »
Quote from: Talan Va'lash
Oh man, realtech sucks... Their junk has given me so much grief. I finally ripped an old SB Live! out of a P3 I have laying around and used that rather than the onboard realtech junk soundcard.


Yeah, I have SB hardware in my PC. But I can't exactly rip my laptop apart. And I didn't buy the laptop for the sound ;)