I suspect more people than you might think are all about another dragon war (Tori has gained a new dislike for dragons, for one!), but I think it's hard to reconcile the damage they can do with a GM piloting vs how easily they are killed in their lairs. Part of it is the whole old areas and pre-level 40s out every orifice thing, but I think it actually makes a kind of IC sense that players should consider OOC letting their characters in on.
Something like the Mosscrypt makes a kind of sense in a way - consider that the Black Plague in flight is death from the sky with an AI and abilities we have no way of automating in NWN, so we use descriptions and dice. Grounded in his home base, he's vulnerable to a straight-up fight (or a dev crit ), but surrounded by very difficult minions that even a mid level group of adventurers is not going to be able to handle. So you can have simultaneously the impression from someone who fought one in a lair that a dragon is a pushover - in a specific set of circumstances or to the mightiest of warriors - and others who swear at the top of their lungs or get ready for retribution because they've seen them unleashed on the surface.
I guess what I mean is, we shouldn't feel ripped off if they're harder to kill when they're not getting up from their nap, and even though a dragon's killability doesn't need to be blamed entirely on old areas, characters that have been in position to see their damage before wouldn't necessarily assume it would be an easy war, either...
Looking forward to consequences from a player event, personally! Hope everyone else is, too.
OOC - It was never my intent for the Black Plague to be killed. I can only chalk it up to not paying attention and lack of experience in that particular area, but it happened and I'm okay with consequences. That said I am looking forward to the rp fallout as a player myself.
I wasn't there for the initial incident, but I'm along for the ride for whatever comes out of it.
Don't apologize (except IC), we have our new Sinthar to hold on our shoulders I mean blame! Our shady friends take us all kinds of places *shifty* Tomorrow, perhaps the red light goblins strike back! *ahem*
Bear in mind too that the Black Plague has committed HIS share of atrocities that never were answered for.
Now as for dragon allies... *Magnar rubs his hands together and looks around for two particular orcs*
That's why I think if people (characters) are gonna do it, they should do it all the way and accept that there will be erm... casualties in attempting it... *shifty* A flatfooted one-shot and respawn is far less than that particular dragon deserves for all its crimes *nods sagely* though I imagine it was totally humiliated... and... upset...
And we should keep a scoreboard! That way the players and dragons involved knows who's on one another's little list of grudges and who has the bragging rights.
Nice to see actions do have consequences! I'm excited to see were this goes good or bad or nasty. Vrebel is ready too by the way and would like another crack at Blacky (he's a bit weak in the underbelly).
Thanks for the IC/OOC explanation on the dragons as that was always a weird one for me as a player. But, if your still going to let us have a go at dragons without consequences (as long as we don't broadcast it IC or proclaim ourselves dragonslayers IC ) it would be nice if they were a bit tuffer mechanically. Suggesting maybe tweak their stats a bit or maybe their minions to adjust to the level of play we have now.
Willhoff aka Vrebel the Foul
It's already underway. *grins*
The fact is, they were balanced 10+ years ago when the expectations of high-epic-level characters would be very rare (because we had a prohibition on going past level 20 without an ECDQ/WLDQ), so the intent was parties of high but sub-epic levels (generally speaking) for the occasional challenge during the Bloodstone age. During that time, their want of leaving their lairs to seek retribution on uppity adventurers was pretty low because of the threat that Bloodstone presented. Fast forward...the world has moved on in IC and OOC ways, but dragons were never made more appropriate for the new landscape. As Acacea noted, the real strength and power of dragons cannot be really well-represented mechanically, but we can certainly make them a lot more of a challenge.
Besides, it's not really fair to make judgments on the ease of killing a flat-footed, AI-Disabled and controlled creature while its GM was still typing a response to you. *winks*
*Farros plays 80s montage music as the dragons work out for their next encounter*
I will admit to not remembering if Tyrra was there for Dragon killing, but if she was I suspect I'll be seeing consequences anyway. Been hard to get IG at all anyway but I do love being involved in world shaking, so I look forward to these events... Just not dying from them xD
EDIT: To be clearer, because I'm often not clear, I am not asking for a Dragon War. Not even sure I was there for any dragon killing though I'm willing to guess I was there for one if it happened on one of the round robins in July. That said, looking forward to what's coming if it hasn't come yet. I don't think I've been in game for.... 2 months...