Author Topic: Important: House Cleanup (Read 1089 times)

orth · « **on:** April 19, 2009, 07:31:05 pm »

The following houses are slated to be put back on the market in two weeks unless any players use these homes for valid reasons and would like to purchase the home themselves. There may be a few that I've mistaken as being vacant, so please pipe up if you use these houses and we'll try to clear up ownership on a case by case basis.

I will not accept absent players asking to not sell the house if they do not play here any more on the possibility that they might come back. These homes need to be used by current players.

I will not accept convenient teleports in vacant homes as a reason to keep them in the current owner's possession.

102
105
107
109
124
125
134
135
140
141
142
145
150
170
171 - Still in use
172
173
189
201
204
206
207
210
215
216
224
228
231
242
251 - To be returned to market once Script Wrecked gets possessions
260 - Transfer ownership to Wren
263

I will return the homes to the market on a sporadic random basis over the course of a week after the two weeks are up.

Script Wrecked · « **Reply #1 on:** April 19, 2009, 11:26:01 pm »

I'm assuming all houses are uniquely numbered so you don't need the area location to identify a house, just the door number?

Assuming this is so, "251 Prantz, Haft Lake District" is (was) owned by RDS-Nibor21's Karana Elksoul. Karana is (was) a member of the Farstriders, and her house is being used as the guild hall on Dregar. However, given the decline in the participation of the Farstriders guild, I don't see that we have a requirement for two guild halls (the main guild hall is on Mistone), and would be willing to fore go that so that the house could be released.

However, I do require notice (and probably a bit of GM assistance) so that I can clean out all the possessions.

(And Argali would never buy a house in Prantz

(1) ).

Regards,

Script Wrecked.

(1) Well, almost never. There are probably some exceptional circumstances that might necessitate such a purchase, but as a general principle... :rolleyes:

Dorganath · « **Reply #2 on:** April 20, 2009, 12:33:23 am »

The 100's are all on West, and the 200's are on Central. They are all unique, so yes, there's no need for a further area/location specifier.

jrizz · « **Reply #3 on:** April 20, 2009, 02:12:30 am »

260 is the guild house of the network. It was paid for by the memebers for which only I still play. Fatherchaos has shown up on the forums when I have tired to get the house transfered into my name. He said he plans to start playing again. It is a big custom house and would be great for rentals. I would hate to see it go back on the market only to be bought by one person and not opened up. I would open it up for rentals.

Jilseponie Wyndon · « **Reply #4 on:** April 20, 2009, 09:07:09 am »

171 Is still being used. The Unit is in Daren's (Poohbear's) name who now no longer plays here. But the house is still used by his wife and daughter.

jrizz · « **Reply #5 on:** April 20, 2009, 04:06:17 pm »

As an additional note to the above on about 260. Wren has no house in his name. If 260 would be transfered then he will open the rooms for rent.

Link092 · « **Reply #6 on:** April 20, 2009, 04:35:58 pm »

OOC, how much do houses run? (on average)

Hellblazer · « **Reply #7 on:** April 20, 2009, 06:37:43 pm »

It depends on the space inside the house, and the location.

Nehetsrev · « **Reply #8 on:** April 21, 2009, 03:26:05 pm »

How about house # 190?
It says it's owned by Rufus Coldfinger, who hasn't been seen since June of '07 according to LORE. Does this character's player still play?

Hellblazer · « **Reply #9 on:** April 21, 2009, 03:34:59 pm »

might be that there has been activity in the house by other players, which means that the house is not set back on the market for that reason.

The same way that the 171 is not put ack on it due to jilseponie using it even if it's not under her name.

orth · « **Reply #10 on:** April 21, 2009, 04:20:46 pm »

190 is Coldfinger Dungeon, for all intents it is an NPC house.

Honestly, I went through the houses pretty thoroughly, there was 32 listed. Is there really a need to go and ask about other specific places that aren't on the list or had you particularly fancied 190?

Nehetsrev · « **Reply #11 on:** April 21, 2009, 04:27:38 pm »

Quote from: orth

The following houses are slated to be put back on the market in two weeks unless any players use these homes for valid reasons and would like to purchase the home themselves. There may be a few that I've mistaken as being vacant, so please pipe up if you use these houses and we'll try to clear up ownership on a case by case basis.

I will not accept absent players asking to not sell the house if they do not play here any more on the possibility that they might come back. These homes need to be used by current players.

I will not accept convenient teleports in vacant homes as a reason to keep them in the current owner's possession.

I think technicly anyone using a home they do not own the deed for would be considered a squatter, and while I don't mind them having the first chance to pay for the home and have the deed transfered to their name, if they aren't willing to do that the home should then be put up for sale for anyone else who might wish to purchase the home.

In the case of a home left behind by a permed player, I'm pretty sure the rule is that the characters will has to clearly say who inherits the home and then the deed is transfered to the name of the inheritor.

If a character hasn't been seen in litterally years of in-game time (and out-of-game time as well), wouldn't that be enough to have them declared legally dead? Shouldn't then their property be siezed and dispersed in accordance with their will (if they have one), or returned to 'state-property status to be re-sold to someone who's willing to pay for the home and use it?

I just don't see how it's fair to the rest of the community if some players get the benefits of homes without the cost simply because at one point another player gave them a key and then stopped playing themselves without bothering to have the deed transfered to a new legitimate owner.

Of course, this is just my opinion, I'm sure other opinons may vary (especially those of squatters).

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Edit: In response to Orth,

I do actually like the plot of land 190 sits on. I hadn't any idea it was a dungeon though. How does one enter said dungeon to explore it's depths, and plunder it's bounty, or more likely die an excruciating death?

Maybe the standard house/ownership script could be removed from the door to the home/dungeon to prevent further misunderstandings regarding its status?

Hellblazer · « **Reply #12 on:** April 21, 2009, 05:55:12 pm »

There is other circumstances there Nehet. RP being one of them. In the case of Jil, the house belogned to her husband that left the server, but the family still uses it. Same would go with the house that is under the name of Sonya, Rain (her husband) and one of their son (not yet created) still lives in the house, not to mention that all the other children have keys to the ''Family'' house.

Those are RP point that have to be respected.

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If a character hasn't been seen in litterally years of in-game time (and out-of-game time as well), wouldn't that be enough to have them declared legally dead? Shouldn't then their property be siezed and dispersed in accordance with their will (if they have one), or returned to 'state-property status to be re-sold to someone who's willing to pay for the home and use it?

I would feel really bad to deposses someone that was deployed for a long period of time without a possibility of playing. There are also those houses left open for portal previledges to all the players of the server.

Also considering that one year in game is 24 days in RL, it doesn't take long to have many years in game passed.

Although many years in RL, that I entirely agree.

Gulnyr · « **Reply #13 on:** April 21, 2009, 06:12:50 pm »

Quote from: Hellblazer

There are also those houses left open for portal previledges to all the players of the server.

Was that a joke? From Orth's original post:

Quote from: orth

I will not accept convenient teleports in vacant homes as a reason to keep them in the current owner's possession.

Hellblazer · « **Reply #14 on:** April 21, 2009, 06:25:45 pm »

That's not what I was refering too. There are those homes that are left with a front door open for all to use.

I think that Orth was more refering to, are those houses that are closed off to the general players, beside those that have keys to them, that keeps the house running and only use the portal.

And example of that is 106 Hlint and 232 half lake. The front doors are always left open for any one to use.

Dorganath · « **Reply #15 on:** April 21, 2009, 06:36:01 pm »

No, I think he's referring to both cases.

Saying "House X has an open portal so it should stay around" is not an excuse he will accept for not returning "House X" to the market, whether the door is unlocked for all to use or not.

A portal for convenience, regardless of whether it is public or private, is an insufficient reason to not put a house back on the open market.

Pseudonym · « **Reply #16 on:** April 21, 2009, 06:50:29 pm »

I am guessing maybe because 106 and 232 were not on orth's list prompted HB's question/confusion?

Hellblazer · « **Reply #17 on:** April 21, 2009, 07:27:58 pm »

Aye there was part that, but also the beliefe that if the house hade a general player help value, it would stay that way. Further more since 232 is the only free portal in that part of central.

Nehetsrev · « **Reply #18 on:** April 21, 2009, 07:36:03 pm »

I think if the intent was for portalling to be free, then the public portals that are in places like the Stormcrest Crossroads would also be free.

Granted, I do find the portal in 106 Hlint to be quite handy and use it often enough myself. However, if there was a public portal there instead that I could use in the same way, I wouldn't mind paying a smaller fee of 25-50 Trues per use... 300 Trues to use a portal is a bit much though unless you're really going long-distance or portalling somewhere directly that you can't reach using housing portals... But that's a whole 'nother can o' worms opening up there, and ought to go to the suggestions forum, I guess.

Gulnyr · « **Reply #19 on:** April 21, 2009, 07:44:20 pm »

Dorg is right. Whether a house is locked to all but a few or open to all, if it is owned by an absent player/character and if it is there only as a portal, it ought to be put on the market as a house for someone who wants a house rather than left as a big waste of space for a single little portal. If the bosses want a portal in a place, they can add one easily enough.

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I think Nehetsrev's posts show that a codified, posted set of guidelines regarding houses that would be applied equally to all would be a good thing. If there is to be some sort of World Leader exception or similar thing, it should be explicitly stated along with a list of houses that aren't going back on the market for whatever reason so everyone knows. If spouses can get houses transferred for free while roommates have to pay, make that clear - or cancel that altogether and treat spouses the same as roommates and vice versa. Spell it out and make it clear so everyone knows what's going on.