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The NWN Persistent World => Layonara Server => Topic started by: orth on April 19, 2009, 07:31:05 pm

Title: Important: House Cleanup
Post by: orth on April 19, 2009, 07:31:05 pm
The following houses are slated to be put back on the market in two weeks unless any players use these homes for valid reasons and would like to purchase the home themselves.  There may be a few that I've mistaken as being vacant, so please pipe up if you use these houses and we'll try to clear up ownership on a case by case basis.

I will not accept absent players asking to not sell the house if they do not play here any more on the possibility that they might come back. These homes need to be used by current players.

I will not accept convenient teleports in vacant homes as a reason to keep them in the current owner's possession.

102
105
107
109
124
125
134
135
140
141
142
145
150
170
171 - Still in use
172
173
189
201
204
206
207
210
215
216
224
228
231
242
251 - To be returned to market once Script Wrecked gets possessions
260 - Transfer ownership to Wren
263

I will return the homes to the market on a sporadic random basis over the course of a week after the two weeks are up.
Title: Re: Important: House Cleanup
Post by: Script Wrecked on April 19, 2009, 11:26:01 pm
I'm assuming all houses are uniquely numbered so you don't need the area location to identify a house, just the door number?

Assuming this is so, "251 Prantz, Haft Lake District" is (was) owned by RDS-Nibor21's Karana Elksoul. Karana is (was) a member of the Farstriders, and her house is being used as the guild hall on Dregar. However, given the decline in the participation of the Farstriders guild, I don't see that we have a requirement for two guild halls (the main guild hall is on Mistone), and would be willing to fore go that so that the house could be released.

However, I do require notice (and probably a bit of GM assistance) so that I can clean out all the possessions.

(And Argali would never buy a house in Prantz :) (1) ).

Regards,

Script Wrecked.



(1) Well, almost never. There are probably some exceptional circumstances that might necessitate such a purchase, but as a general principle... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Important: House Cleanup
Post by: Dorganath on April 20, 2009, 12:33:23 am
The 100's are all on West, and the 200's are on Central. They are all unique, so yes, there's no need for a further area/location specifier.
Title: Re: Important: House Cleanup
Post by: jrizz on April 20, 2009, 02:12:30 am
260 is the guild house of the network. It was paid for by the memebers for which only I still play. Fatherchaos has shown up on the forums when I have tired to get the house transfered into my name. He said he plans to start playing again. It is a big custom house and would be great for rentals. I would hate to see it go back on the market only to be bought by one person and not opened up. I would open it up for rentals.
Title: Re: Important: House Cleanup
Post by: Jilseponie Wyndon on April 20, 2009, 09:07:09 am
171 Is still being used.  The Unit is in Daren's (Poohbear's) name who now no longer plays here.  But the house is still used by his wife and daughter.
Title: Re: Important: House Cleanup
Post by: jrizz on April 20, 2009, 04:06:17 pm
As an additional note to the above on about 260. Wren has no house in his name. If 260 would be transfered then he will open the rooms for rent.
Title: Re: Important: House Cleanup
Post by: Link092 on April 20, 2009, 04:35:58 pm
OOC, how much do houses run? (on average)
Title: Re: Important: House Cleanup
Post by: Hellblazer on April 20, 2009, 06:37:43 pm
It depends on the space inside the house, and the location.
Title: Re: Important: House Cleanup
Post by: Nehetsrev on April 21, 2009, 03:26:05 pm
How about house # 190?
It says it's owned by Rufus Coldfinger, who hasn't been seen since June of '07 according to LORE.  Does this character's player still play?
Title: Re: Important: House Cleanup
Post by: Hellblazer on April 21, 2009, 03:34:59 pm
might be that there has been activity in the house by other players, which means that the house is not set back on the market for that reason.
 
 The same way that the 171 is not put ack on it due to jilseponie using it even if it's not under her name.
Title: Re: Important: House Cleanup
Post by: orth on April 21, 2009, 04:20:46 pm
190 is Coldfinger Dungeon, for all intents it is an NPC house.

Honestly, I went through the houses pretty thoroughly, there was 32 listed.  Is there really a need to go and ask about other specific places that aren't on the list or had you particularly fancied 190?
Title: Re: Important: House Cleanup
Post by: Nehetsrev on April 21, 2009, 04:27:38 pm
Quote from: orth
The following houses are slated to be put back on the market in two weeks unless any players use these homes for valid reasons and would like to purchase the home themselves.  There may be a few that I've mistaken as being vacant, so please pipe up if you use these houses and we'll try to clear up ownership on a case by case basis.

I will not accept absent players asking to not sell the house if they do not play here any more on the possibility that they might come back. These homes need to be used by current players.

I will not accept convenient teleports in vacant homes as a reason to keep them in the current owner's possession.


I think technicly anyone using a home they do not own the deed for would be considered a squatter, and while I don't mind them having the first chance to pay for the home and have the deed transfered to their name, if they aren't willing to do that the home should then be put up for sale for anyone else who might wish to purchase the home.

In the case of a home left behind by a permed player, I'm pretty sure the rule is that the characters will has to clearly say who inherits the home and then the deed is transfered to the name of the inheritor.

If a character hasn't been seen in litterally years of in-game time (and out-of-game time as well), wouldn't that be enough to have them declared legally dead?  Shouldn't then their property be siezed and dispersed in accordance with their will (if they have one), or returned to 'state-property status to be re-sold to someone who's willing to pay for the home and use it?

I just don't see how it's fair to the rest of the community if some players get the benefits of homes without the cost simply because at one point another player gave them a key and then stopped playing themselves without bothering to have the deed transfered to a new legitimate owner.

Of course, this is just my opinion, I'm sure other opinons may vary (especially those of squatters).

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Edit:  In response to Orth,

I do actually like the plot of land 190 sits on.  I hadn't any idea it was a dungeon though.  How does one enter said dungeon to explore it's depths, and plunder it's bounty, or more likely die an excruciating death?

Maybe the standard house/ownership script could be removed from the door to the home/dungeon to prevent further misunderstandings regarding its status?
Title: Re: Important: House Cleanup
Post by: Hellblazer on April 21, 2009, 05:55:12 pm
There is other circumstances there Nehet. RP being one of them. In the case of Jil, the house belogned to her husband that left the server, but the family still uses it. Same would go with the house that is under the name of Sonya, Rain (her husband) and one of their son (not yet created) still lives in the house, not to mention that all the other children have keys to the ''Family'' house.
 
 Those are RP point that have to be respected.
 
 
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If a character hasn't been seen in litterally years of in-game time (and out-of-game time as well), wouldn't that be enough to have them declared legally dead? Shouldn't then their property be siezed and dispersed in accordance with their will (if they have one), or returned to 'state-property status to be re-sold to someone who's willing to pay for the home and use it?
 
 I would feel really bad to deposses someone that was deployed for a long period of time without a possibility of playing. There are also those houses left open for portal previledges to all the players of the server.
 
 Also considering that one year in game is 24 days in RL, it doesn't take long to have many years in game passed.
 
 Although many years in RL, that I entirely agree.
Title: Re: Important: House Cleanup
Post by: Gulnyr on April 21, 2009, 06:12:50 pm
Quote from: Hellblazer
There are also those houses left open for portal previledges to all the players of the server.


Was that a joke?  From Orth's original post:
Quote from: orth
I will not accept convenient teleports in vacant homes as a reason to keep them in the current owner's possession.
Title: Re: Important: House Cleanup
Post by: Hellblazer on April 21, 2009, 06:25:45 pm
That's not what I was refering too. There are those homes that are left with a front door open for all to use.
 
 I think that Orth was more refering to, are those houses that are closed off to the general players, beside those that have keys to them, that keeps the house running and only use the portal.
 
 And example of that is 106 Hlint and 232 half lake. The front doors are always left open for any one to use.
Title: Re: Important: House Cleanup
Post by: Dorganath on April 21, 2009, 06:36:01 pm
No, I think he's referring to both cases.

Saying "House X has an open portal so it should stay around" is not an excuse he will accept for not returning "House X" to the market, whether the door is unlocked for all to use or not.

A portal for convenience, regardless of whether it is public or private, is an insufficient reason to not put a house back on the open market.
Title: Re: Important: House Cleanup
Post by: Pseudonym on April 21, 2009, 06:50:29 pm
I am guessing maybe because 106 and 232 were not on orth's list prompted HB's question/confusion?
Title: Re: Important: House Cleanup
Post by: Hellblazer on April 21, 2009, 07:27:58 pm
Aye there was part that, but also the beliefe that if the house hade a general player help value, it would stay that way. Further more since 232 is the only free portal in that part of central.
Title: Re: Important: House Cleanup
Post by: Nehetsrev on April 21, 2009, 07:36:03 pm
I think if the intent was for portalling to be free, then the public portals that are in places like the Stormcrest Crossroads would also be free.

Granted, I do find the portal in 106 Hlint to be quite handy and use it often enough myself.  However, if there was a public portal there instead that I could use in the same way, I wouldn't mind paying a smaller fee of 25-50 Trues per use... 300 Trues to use a portal is a bit much though unless you're really going long-distance or portalling somewhere directly that you can't reach using housing portals...  But that's a whole 'nother can o' worms opening up there, and ought to go to the suggestions forum, I guess.
Title: Re: Important: House Cleanup
Post by: Gulnyr on April 21, 2009, 07:44:20 pm
Dorg is right. Whether a house is locked to all but a few or open to all, if it is owned by an absent player/character and if it is there only as a portal, it ought to be put on the market as a house for someone who wants a house rather than left as a big waste of space for a single little portal.  If the bosses want a portal in a place, they can add one easily enough.

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I think Nehetsrev's posts show that a codified, posted set of guidelines regarding houses that would be applied equally to all would be a good thing.  If there is to be some sort of World Leader exception or similar thing, it should be explicitly stated along with a list of houses that aren't going back on the market for whatever reason so everyone knows.  If spouses can get houses transferred for free while roommates have to pay, make that clear - or cancel that altogether and treat spouses the same as roommates and vice versa.  Spell it out and make it clear so everyone knows what's going on.
Title: Re: Important: House Cleanup
Post by: Hellblazer on April 21, 2009, 07:45:01 pm
That's why the portal of the stormcrest, dalanthar and the portal near the thorn river cost money. Because they bring someone directly to a specific point rather than the general use of all portals brigning them all the same three locations. But yeah if there was an other portal in half lake and hlint with a lower amount of gold than 300, I would be using them too.
 
 There is also the fact that we don't take in Rp wise that the person that put them then charges that fee, while those that set it in the houses took the whole burden of the cost on their back, letting people use the protal freely. If you take the weary traverlers though, they charge 10 GP to ge the key that leads to the portal.
Title: Re: Important: House Cleanup
Post by: EdTheKet on April 26, 2009, 01:47:17 pm
Seeing this a bit late!

Regarding 105 Hlint, that's Reventage's and Brac has a key.
The conversation with the door says he has a key, but when I choose to unlock the door I get the message the key does not work.

Brac's tome is bound inside 105 Hlint, so I can get in, but not through the door :)
Title: Re: Important: House Cleanup
Post by: Falonthas on April 28, 2009, 01:28:02 pm
last time i checked those fancy wooden sailing things cost alot less then 300 true to go from place to place

unless of course all them ancient peoples cant haul their old bones onto the dock
Title: Re: Important: House Cleanup
Post by: Script Wrecked on April 28, 2009, 01:59:53 pm
Anything to reduce the number of area transitions, dude.
Title: Re: Important: House Cleanup
Post by: deagle on April 29, 2009, 01:46:31 pm
Orth,
 
 Unfortunately RL has kept me from playing for awhile but I do get chances to pop into the forums and game from time to time though it may be very little time.
 
 140 is owned by my character Twixel, I would like to request that he keeps the house.
 
 I do plan on returning to Layo once RL permits...I have been a player since 2004 and still really enjoy the game.
 
 Thanks,
 Deagle
Title: Re: Important: House Cleanup
Post by: osxmallard on April 30, 2009, 06:05:28 am
I am on the East coast in school which switches between classroom and at sea time (and my internet is terrible here).  I will be back to Layo when I return to Hawaii in July and ask that you don't put 107 Hemp back on the market yet, as Lillian will pay for the deed when I return.  The house is owned by Freldo who left a few years back but Lillian has lived there since it was originally bought in East Hlint.

Thanks.

- osX
Title: Re: Important: House Cleanup
Post by: Script Wrecked on May 01, 2009, 09:35:42 am
With Dorganath's help, 251 has be cleared out and is available to be put on the market.

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For Sale: a lovely semi sunken five bedroom house in the style of the west side of the Haft Lake municipality, with generous kitchen, lounge, storage room, and extensive hall/dining area.

Viewing (http://forums.layonara.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=107444) times Mulnari to Freas. Please see the local agent in Prantz to arrange an appointment.


As the current owner no longer plays, I'm assuming the proceeds of the sale will go to the Farstrider's worthy cause of choice.

Regards,

Script Wrecked.
Title: Re: Important: House Cleanup
Post by: Nehetsrev on May 06, 2009, 08:22:42 am
I think the two weeks is up.  ;)
Title: Re: Important: House Cleanup
Post by: Leanthar on May 06, 2009, 08:34:30 am
Alrighty. I will get with orth and dorganath today or tomorrow and get this completed. Thanks for all of the input and thought. We will decide what we feel is the best solution and get this moving foward. Thread is closed. Orth or Dorg will make a final post here when this task is completed.
Title: Re: Important: House Cleanup
Post by: orth on May 07, 2009, 01:58:00 am
Well I still need this thread to manage problems and report houses going up for sale, so I'm opening it back up.

7 houses were returned to the market. Around 20 more will be returned sporadically at different times of the day over the next couple days.
Title: Re: Important: House Cleanup
Post by: orth on May 07, 2009, 03:30:36 pm
Six more houses were released to the market.
Title: Re: Important: House Cleanup
Post by: orth on May 09, 2009, 10:29:42 pm
7 more houses were released to the market.
Title: Re: Important: House Cleanup
Post by: Script Wrecked on May 10, 2009, 12:36:59 am
So, for those whom haven't bought a house before, is it just a question of speaking to the local real estate agent NPC with the readies in hand to A) find out what is available, and B) purchase a house? Are houses for sale unlocked and thus you can view the house interior yourself at any time?
Title: Re: Important: House Cleanup
Post by: Dorganath on May 10, 2009, 03:09:40 am
A) Yes
B) Yes

As for unlocked: No, but you can ask a GM to give you a tour.  You'll find though that most are the same or similar.  There are only a few basic designs unless you happen to get one that's been remodeled.
Title: I had some questions about
Post by: ShiffDrgnhrt on September 13, 2015, 05:49:27 pm

I had some questions about old housing.  Shiff his a key to a house owned by deagle's pc Starr Sapphire, but not sure if he's been able to come back.  I saw his post in this thread from 6 years ago and was wondering what if anything I might be able to do with the house if I can't get in touch with him.  I sent him a PM today.

Title: ShiffDrgnhrt wrote:I had some
Post by: Dorganath on September 13, 2015, 09:05:26 pm

Quote from: "ShiffDrgnhrt"&cid="2758247"

I had some questions about old housing.  Shiff his a key to a house owned by deagle's pc Starr Sapphire, but not sure if he's been able to come back.  I saw his post in this thread from 6 years ago and was wondering what if anything I might be able to do with the house if I can't get in touch with him.  I sent him a PM today.

Typically speaking if the owner of the house has been inactive for a while and no one with a reasonable claim can come forward, the house is eventually returned to the market. As I did a housing sweep somewhat more recently than 6 years ago and the house I assume you are speaking of is still owned by said character (based on our database), I can assume that there was some request to keep it off the list.

Either that or I somehow missed it.

Regardless, changes in ownership go through the usual request/grievance process. This generally requires the consent of the current owner. In the absence of that and in the absence of a strong case in support of transfer, the transfer is not approved and the house is returned to the market.