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Dorganath

The Fortune System
« on: November 06, 2013, 11:06:03 pm »
Greetings all,A short time ago, we announced the Fortune system, which at the time was described only as a system to accumulate points that can be used for various things simply by being in-game and active. Today, I am going to describe exactly what Fortune is and how it can benefit you.At the simplest level, Fortune is essentially like XP, only more flexible in what one may do with it. The system is also very similar to AutoXP, except that Fortune does not have to be activated by a GM, and it doesn't expire. That's right, the Fortune system is always running.To give credit, the original concept came from long-time player and former GM stormspirit. Once the concept took root in my head, I worked out the details and initial state with Rowana and added the system to the modules. She's since been instrumental in testing and refining the system.

How does it work?

As long as a character is logged in and active, that character will earn some small amount of Fortune every few minutes. This Fortune adds up, and eventually a character will earn a whole point. Once this happens, that point can be spent or saved. There is no requirement to spend Fortune points. In fact, some may wish to save it up for special reasons, which I will detail later. Fortune points are stored on each character and saved to the database. There's very little to it than that. Characters will continue to accumulate XP through all the normal methods, but they will also accumulate Fortune at the same time.There is one thing of key importance that must be stressed. Fortune is NOT an in-character thing in any way. Just like XP is an OOC mechanic with in-game benefits. Just like you do not talk about XP in an IC sense, neither should you talk about Fortune in an IC sense. If you need any guidance on this, please ask. Do not discuss Fortune in any in-character way.One way to think of it is a representation of a character's "social capital", their influence, reknown or reputation, though in some other ways it is also just a way for us to reward and thank you for spending time in-game.  Despite Fortune being earned simply by being in-game, as you'll read below, the Fortune rewards for more RP-focused activities are greater, and so there are some significant RP ways to spend one's accumulated Fortune.

Keeping track

Since Fortune is a custom system and will not show up on any character sheet in-game, we've made it easy to check one's Fortune at any time. Simply type the following in the chat bar:

=c pointsThis will report to you how many whole points of Fortune your current character possesses. Also, anytime a character earns a whole point of Fortune, this will be shown as a system message, and that character's current total will also be displayed. This message will not be seen frequently. Instead, during each interval, a more generic and non-specific message will be shown:

Your Fortune has increased slightly.This means your character has earned some fractional amount of Fortune. This update message can be disabled by using the following toggle command:

=c toggle points_feedbackFor those who really need to get a microscopic view of their current Fortune levels, there is another command to show a more exact total:

=c points exactEveryone who already had a character at the time that this system was put into place will start out with a starting pool of five (5) Fortune points. Existing characters belonging to GMs start out with a pool of fifteen (15) Fortune points. World Leader characters start out with a pool of twenty-five (25) Fortune points. New characters will start out with one (1) Fortune point.

Gaining Fortune

As stated above, simply being actively in-game will allow a character to gain Fortune at a slow but consistent rate. However, there are other ways to earn Fortune.GMs can give out Fortune points in the same way they give out XP right now. In fact, the tool is set to give out Fortune in the same sort of amounts, except rather than giving out whole or fractional hours worth of XP, they can now give out whole or fractional points of Fortune instead.GMs may give out Fortune instead of quest XP. This choice will be primarily up to the GM, though requests for one or the other by players will be considered.Also, effective immediately, GMs will give out 1 Fortune point simply for showing up to a quest, even if the GM cannot ultimately take everyone who shows up. (Note: If people begin to abuse this, we will be forced to reevaluate this policy. Please don't make us do this.)Lastly, the World Leader XP wand has been modified to give out either XP or Fortune.One Fortune point granted by GMs and WLs is effectively equivalent to 1 hour of RP or Quest XP.For transparency, World Leader characters will accumulate Fortune at a faster rate. However, they will receive the same number of Fortune points when awarded by a GM for quest or RP rewards.Fortune earned by a character is for that character alone. One may not share Fortune with another character on the same account, nor can a player pool all the Fortune from all characters held by that player. There are only a few cases where pooling of Fortune will be allowed at all (more below), but it will not be allowed to pool the Fortune points of characters belonging to the same player.

Spending Fortune

While the idea of earning points just for playing is probably interesting in itself, it's worth talking about the sorts of things on which these points can be spent. Note that once a point is spent, that character's Fortune is reduced accordingly. Of course, the points can be earned again, but in this way Fortune is also like a sort of currency...a resource to be used and managed.The things upon which one may spend Fortune fit into one of four key categories:
  • Direct Exchange – Fortune points can be converted into either XP or GP (True) using a set exchange rate. This can be done in-game at any time by issuing the command

    =c exchange

    A dialog box will pop up, giving you the options for exchange and displaying the rate of exchange. At present, one Fortune point may be exchanged for 1000 True or the equivalent of 1 hour of quest XP. Since quest XP is dependent upon character level, the number of XP given for one Fortune point will vary depending on character level. However, the amount given will always be appropriate and meaningful for a character of any level.

    Please note: These numbers are subject to change, and we may adjust them up or down for balancing reasons, bonus events and other reasons. If you notice different (positive, non-zero) numbers than I have described here, it is not a bug; it is an adjustment
  • Quest Benefit – At each GM's discretion, Fortune points can be exchanged to affect outcomes in quest situations. The currently-supported possibilities for this are:
    • “Changing luck” – re-roll failed or poor die rolls. This only applies to manual die rolls (i.e. skill checks, attribute checks, saving throws) and not to automatic mechanical rolls for things like combat, damage and the like (unless these are manually performed for RPed situations). It should be noted that the Save vs. Soul Mother rolls can never be re-rolled using this option. Ever. (cost: 1 Fortune Point per re-roll)[/li]
    • Greasing the wheels” or “Calling in favors” – You're an adventurer. You're famous, or perhaps infamous, but your name is recognized. Your deeds are remembered. Maybe you have friends you didn't know about. Maybe you have pull and influence beyond the usual just because of your name. Or perhaps your guild has helped people indirectly that you never realized or your reputation in a city's underbelly is worth a favor. Whatever form your fame takes, you might as well be able to take advantage. Naturally, this is not an automatic success, and what is attempted has to make some sort of RP sense. A Toranite is not likely to get favors from a group of Corathites, nor is someone with a less savory reputation likely to get much goodwill among honest shop-owners. Note that networks and influence earned by CDQs and WLDQs can still be used without spending Fortune, but going beyond established parameters can be an option using Fortune. (cost: 1-2 Fortune per use at the GM's discretion) [/li]
    • “Minor heroics” – Effectively, this is equivalent to “taking 20” at times when taking 20 is not supported by the rules or the situation. To make sure everyone understands the term, “taking 20” refers to an automatic roll of 20 when performing a task that has a skill check involved in situations where there is plenty of time and a lack of urgency, such that the character can take the time and caution to succeed and succeed well. Yet sometimes, the survival and/or success of a party may absolutely depend on being able to pick a lock, analyze a magical ward or any number of things without the luxury of time and under various levels of duress. This is opening a complex lock at the last possible second, disarming a magical trap through a moment of extreme clarity and concentration or other similar sorts of outcomes. Basically, it's an opportunity to ensure success when it's sorely needed. (cost: 1-2 Fortune per use at the GM's discretion)[/li]
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Again, these options are solely at the discretion of the GM(s) running the quest. There is not guarantee these options will be available, nor is there any guarantee of complete success. Always work with the GM when desiring to spend Fortune in this way. Note also that GMs will deduct Fortune on the spot when it is used in this way.

Also, it's important to note that there is a limit to the number of times a single character can utilize Fortune like this during a single quest. While the GM running the quest will have final say on this limit, we will generally limit these uses to three (3) times, in any combination, during a given quest episode/event.

  • Projects – Want to set up a monument, shrine or some other sort of addition to the game, whether physically represented or not? Or maybe you just want to undertake a massive remodeling of an existing structure. Whatever special project you have in mind, you may be able to spend some Fortune to make that happen. This typically follows in the vein of “pulling some strings”, but can also take the form of drumming up donations and investors in lieu of a pure outlaying of True and piles of harvested/crafted resources. Below are the initial ways Fortune can be used for projects and how much it will cost. As with other aspects of Fortune, this may change over time, but if it does, we'll be certain to update and notify everyone.
    • Remodels – Fortune points can provide a discount based on how much players want to spend in each aspect (base cost, area-expansion, tileset change, permanent placeables, exterior changes, etc.) of a remodel, with each point of Fortune spent giving a 10% discount in a single aspect of the remodeling cost.

    • Relocations/reties – Fortune points can provide a 10% reduction in the list of materials needed for every point spent. Obviously, this applies more to materials needed in larger quantities than those in smaller quantities; there is no 10% of a single Gnomish Lens, for example. To put this another way, spending 10 Fortune would eliminate the need for gathering and/or crafting all the necessary materials for the relocation.

    • Monuments – Each fortune point will provide a 20% discount on the monetary cost of each monument individually. This applies to things like custom statues placed in guild halls and stone markers placed somewhere to denote or commemorate something or someone. Bear in mind, these sorts of monuments are relatively modest, not a gigantic colossus of ego. Also, in the case of outdoor monuments, it may be necessary to obtain permission from the land-owner, pay an additional fee/tax/tribute, which would be covered separately but which could also be discounted by Fortune at a similar rate.

    • Other buildings – Buildings in this category would be physically in-game but not necessarily usable in any mechanical sense (i.e. no accessible interior, no house-type furniture, etc.). For the monetary costs associated with constructing these buildings, each point of Fortune will reduce the cost by 5,000 True. If there is an additional material cost associated with the construction of this building, each point of Fortune will reduce the material needs by 10%.

    • Intangibles – Buildings, structures and other constructs that are not represented in-game but which were established in an RP sense through CDQs and which may have some form of cost associated with them fall into this category. This would cover things like orphanages, “underground” markets, trade networks, or things of this ilk, where players have to invest in their creation. The cost in Fortune for such things, should players wish to spend it, will be based on the number of CDQs that the GM estimates will be required to complete the goal. If the number of CDQs increases due to player actions (or inactions!), the Fortune cost will increase as well, however, the Fortune cost will never go below the original estimate. The baseline Fortune cost in this case is 5 points per CDQ required to accomplish the end result.

    • What else??? – Try as we may, we will never be able to conceive of all possibilities that our player base may want to try to accomplish and how they may want to put Fortune toward such efforts. To that end, we'll have to handle these sorts of things on a case-by-case basis at first while we try to establish some sort of guidelines. Chances are good that it will be some kind of hybrid of the options given above.
      Up to four characters will be allowed to pool their Fortune together for any given project. Characters pooling their Fortune for such a purpose should be associated with the project in some way. There is no set limit as to how much Fortune one character may spend on any single project, assuming the character has Fortune to spend.

      In some situations, there may be a world-level effort that requires some level of contribution from characters to bring about a certain end. In such cases, there is no limit on how many characters can contribute, but again they should be associated with the effort already.

  • Graceful Pleas – Yes, I said it. You will be able to spend Fortune to buy a Graceful Plea, even if you have used all three for a given character. The cost is high, and rightly so. At present, it will cost 100 Fortune to gain one Graceful Plea. At this level, we estimate a player can make a dedicated effort with a single character and earn enough Fortune within about 6 months. This assumes a certain number of hours per week, of course. If the player attends quests during that time, the time to earn enough points may be shorter, as the rate of earning Fortune on quests is faster than the always-on trickle of Fortune points.
As you can see, there are some very quick and simple benefits to Fortune, but there can also be some very significant benefits to saving one's Fortune points for a greater purpose. The choice is yours to make.

What are the numbers?

The Fortune systems is based on time and a certain number of points given out per hour of playing, divided up into smaller intervals to allow people to benefit regardless of how long they can spend in-game at any given time. We have factors we can bring into play to increase or decrease this rate or even shut it off completely.At this time, we are not inclined to discuss the exact numbers. We may never be, in fact. We may tweak and adjust the numbers over time as seems appropriate. We may find cause to change the rates because we feel they're too fast or too slow. We may have bonus events, announced and unannounced.We also don't want people to game or exploit the system. We don't want people scrutinizing their time spent in-game and figuring out how maximize their Fortune and little else. As such, we are keeping the inner workings of this system private for the foreseeable future. That said, there are certain rates and numbers which are public and visible:
  • Fortune points given by GMs or WLs are equivalent to 1 hour of quest or RP XP in terms of the magnitude of the reward, and it scales with the character's current level.
  • Fortune points exchanged for XP are equivalent to 1 hour of quest or RP XP. This is directly parallel to the above point, which again scales with the character's current level.
  • Fortune points can be exchanged for GP (True) at a rate of 1 Fortune Point for 1000GP/True
  • Fortune points can be exchanged for a Graceful Plea at the rate of 100 Fortune points for 1 Graceful Plea
These numbers are still subject to change, but we feel they are pretty solid and simple. If we were to make any long-term adjustments, we would instead change the rate of accumulation rather than these exchange rates, so that the system remains simple and there are no mental gymnastics required to conceptualize how much reward one can get for a given number of Fortune points.So that is the system in summary.  As mentioned above, we'll update this with more details as we work them out. If there are any questions regarding what has already been worked out, please feel free to ask.  We'll also be creating and updating a FAQ for this system, so that all the important details of the system can be easily found and understood.Enjoy!

Guardian 452

Does being in combat effect
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2013, 08:45:46 am »

Does being in combat effect the Fortune system? I noticed with AutoXP that if I were in combat when it was time for it to kick in it would not until its next time to do so.

 

Rowana

Being in combat or not has
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2013, 09:13:00 am »

Being in combat or not has zero effect on whether or not you are accumulating Fortune. The only way(s) to affect it is for it to be done administratively (ie the mentioned adjustment and tweeks) or to recieve points/have points taken by a GM, as long as you are active in the game.

~row

 

Aphel

I am very excited to see this
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2013, 01:03:01 pm »

I am very excited to see this and how it is going to work out. Thanks Rowana and Dorganath for tinkering around with this idea and making it happen.

Dorg, you said that

One way to think of it is a representation of a character's "social capital", their influence, reknown or reputation, though in some other ways it is also just a way for us to reward and thank you for spending time in-game.  Despite Fortune being earned simply by being in-game, as you'll read below, the Fortune rewards for more RP-focused activities are greater, and so there are some significant RP ways to spend one's accumulated Fortune.

Does this also encompass infamy, or will that be tracked by loss of fortune? Does fortune also encompass a certain amount of luck, or karma (there, I said it) that is accumulated and can be spend (but never lost)?

 

gilshem ironstone

The Team continues to amaze. 
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2013, 01:24:38 pm »

The Team continues to amaze.  Thanks for this initiative!

 

Dorganath

Aphel"&cid="2750918
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2013, 01:47:39 pm »

Quote from: "Aphel"&cid="2750918"

Dorg, you said that

One way to think of it is a representation of a character's "social capital", their influence, reknown or reputation, though in some other ways it is also just a way for us to reward and thank you for spending time in-game.  Despite Fortune being earned simply by being in-game, as you'll read below, the Fortune rewards for more RP-focused activities are greater, and so there are some significant RP ways to spend one's accumulated Fortune.

Does this also encompass infamy, or will that be tracked by loss of fortune? Does fortune also encompass a certain amount of luck, or karma (there, I said it) that is accumulated and can be spend (but never lost)?

Good question!

Regarding infamy, yes, it covers it, but probably not in the way you are suggesting.  If we were to do that, it would skew Fortune toward the Good-aligned characters and/or encourage Neutral or Evil to be "good" in order to gain Fortune. That's absolutely the opposite of what this system is about.

So "infamous" characters can gain Fortune just as any others, and in the few definites we have listed above (exchange for XP/True/Graceful Pleas), there's really no difference between Good characters, Evil characters or Somewhere-In-The-Middle characters. It's all the same.  There is no loss of Fortune due to the type or quality or RP, the actions of a character or anything like that.  Infamous and famous characters will gain fortune in exactly the same ways.

However, there's the parts which I hinted about but which are not yet fully-defined.  This is a little difficult to talk about without the particulars being more solidified, but I'll try to give a general example while remaining vague to the details. There'll be uses of Fortune for quests, uses for projects and possibly other sorts of uses. These will always be handled with GM involvement, and in such cases, the infamous character will have more difficulty using their "social capital" with the "good" people of the world, though they may find more purchase among thieves guilds or other "underground" groups. Likewise, the more highly-regarded people might find the opposite to be true. For these more RP-oriented aspects of Fortune, there will never be a set of specific outcomes, only guidelines. They will be worked out between player and GM to make a degree of sense for the situation and the character in question. I hope that makes more sense, and I hope you understand that I can't fully answer your question right now.

Lastly, I'm not sure what you mean by "but never lost."  Fortune can be "lost" in that it can be exchanged for things, as discussed. It's never to be lost based on whether a character is infamous or based on the type/quality of RP.  Fortune can be exchanged for things, which does cause one's total Fortune to be reduced as a result. It can be earned back, naturally, but you will lose it as you use it.  One reason I framed Fortune, in part, as "social capital" is that in some ways to use it, it is very much like leaning on one's reputation (or luck, or "karma", though the concept doesn't exist in Layonara) as a finite resource.  There's only so far a person can throw their own name and reputation around before it starts to wear thin for everyone else. Similarly, eventually your luck may run out, or you'll use up any "goodwill" toward you or any number of things. Again, this is difficult to answer fully because of the various uncertainties, but it may be sufficient to say that Fortune is always a finite resource, and you can use it up. Use too much, and when you really need it, you won't have it. 

Hope that helps.

 

Aphel

With "lost" I meant something
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2013, 03:18:56 pm »

With "lost" I meant something similar to losing XP (which can happen as a penalty, for example, if a character dies repeatedly) - if I understand you correctly, you say that such a mechanic is not intended in the Fortune System as it is now (hence, no fortune penalty in the sense of fortune loss, but rather slower gain in fortune or different means - or loss of means - that a character has to spend it).

 

Thanks for the explanation, it cleared things up a little. Are there any plans for the future to to include for example the donation system into this as well? And can characters gain fortune as a CDQ reward?

 

Rowana

By donation system, do you
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2013, 03:32:16 pm »

By donation system, do you mean giving items to various chartiy causes or deities for Fortune points or am I not understanding that quite right?

Characters gain Fortune points at the normal rate of accrual during a CDQ. It's literally always on if you are active. Will GMs be giving out -extra- points during a CDQ? This is not answerable at this time, unfortunately. I have logged it in the FAQ that we will be posting later when we do have an answer.

~row

 

ShiffDrgnhrt

(side note)I logged in for
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2013, 04:45:21 pm »

(side note)

I logged in for the second time since the server fiasco a few minutes as of this post, and found I have 5 fortune.  Also, every so often since logging in I got the "Your fortune has increased" message.  Twice, so far.  Yet I still have 5 fortune.  Is that the system catching up or a potential bug?

 

Dorganath

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« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2013, 04:59:07 pm »

Quote from: "ShiffDrgnhrt"&cid="2750928"

(side note)

I logged in for the second time since the server fiasco a few minutes as of this post, and found I have 5 fortune.  Also, every so often since logging in I got the "Your fortune has increased" message.  Twice, so far.  Yet I still have 5 fortune.  Is that the system catching up or a potential bug?

Read the section labeled "Keeping Track" in my original post.  It tells you all about the messages, how to find your exact total, etc.

 

ShiffDrgnhrt

That's what I get for reading
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2013, 05:05:48 pm »

That's what I get for reading choice pieces of your gigantic wall of text. Some things never change. xD

 

Aphel

Rowana"&cid="2750925 wrote:By
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2013, 05:09:15 pm »

Quote from: "Rowana"&cid="2750925"

By donation system, do you mean giving items to various chartiy causes or deities for Fortune points or am I not understanding that quite right?

Yes, that is what I meant.

 

Rowana

Currently people who donate
« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2013, 05:18:23 pm »

Currently people who donate to deities recieve a discount that scales up with the amount that they donate over time as a sort of nod to the amount of effort they put in to assisting those temples. We don't plan to institute anything additional at this time particularly related to Fortune accumulation because of the somewhat inconsistant nature of item prices as they relate to actual value.

~row

 

Hellblazer

I haven't been around much
« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2013, 10:25:46 am »

I haven't been around much lately due to having too much on my plates, but reading this I have to say that me likes it alot! :)

 

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    Do Fortune points act like XP
    « Reply #14 on: August 29, 2013, 03:22:56 pm »

    Do Fortune points act like XP when we are recovering from our recent deaths (i.e. it shuts off temporarily)?

     

    Rowana

    Nope, Fortune rates will not
    « Reply #15 on: August 29, 2013, 03:43:50 pm »

    Nope, Fortune rates will not ebb due to death effects or any other effects unless we actively scale them back for some reason. We don't have any idea, right now, why we might do that at this time but have reserved the right to adjust for balancing reasons (at the very least) in the initial post.

    ~row

     

    Guardian 452

    Does a level 20 character
    « Reply #16 on: September 03, 2013, 01:16:39 pm »

    Does a level 20 character gain more XP when rewarded for going on quests because of the vastly higher amount of XP needed to reach level 21?

    If yes, does a level 20 character recieve a larger amount of XP when exchanging "Fortune"?

     

    Rowana

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    « Reply #17 on: September 03, 2013, 01:25:17 pm »



    The exp ratio of Fortune vs Quest reward is exactly the same. They use the same tables etc so it doesn't matter if the GM gives it to you directly or via Fortune exchange. Fortune system just allows you to exchange more points (basic accrual plus any quest gained), or conversely if exp is not really what you need (regardless of reason, from caped level achievement or other focus of character) the you can take those same points and put it toward whatever the system allows (money, quest perks, etc).

    The bottom line regarding what I think you are asking, is Fortune at level 20 is the same as quest exp grant at level 20.

    ~row

     

    Lance Stargazer

    Thanks for the Question G.The
    « Reply #18 on: September 03, 2013, 03:00:00 pm »

    Thanks for the Question G.

    The fortune exchange system goes with the exchange rate of XP/hour of a quest, when your character exchanges one point of forutne he/she will get as much xp as if he/she has atained on one hour quest.  This making true what you mention. 

    As lvl 20 its a milestone for the change of XP/hour,  if your Lvl 20 char, exchanges 5 fortune points, he/she would obtain the same XP as if he/she had attended to a 5 hours quest.

    At any rate if you use the =c exchange command you can check out the ammount of xp before actually giving a final "yes" as well . the system is intended for making easier for players to exchange the fortune for XP without the need of a GM to be on,  And thus the information can be displayed in all moment as you thru the process of the exchange. 

    Hope this clarifies your doubts.  

    Cheers 

    // Must have been blind since totally Miss Row replied already .   heh 

     

    Guardian 452

    It does answer my question. 
    « Reply #19 on: September 10, 2013, 11:52:32 am »

    It does answer my question.  Apparently I thougth a level 20 character was given more Quest XP because of the massive mountain of XP before 21. Therefore beleiving this I expected a level 20 fortune XP trade in to reflect the same thing. You're saying a level 20 gets the same XP per quest hour (or whatever the jargon is now) as a level 33.... while I dissagree with this. At least I now know how it's going to be. Thanks

     

     

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